12 Greatest Players In St. John's History
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Bob Zawoluk over many of the players on that list. Don't know how he could be ommitted.
jerseyshorejohnny
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+1
Zeke was the star (as you know) on the team that played for the 1952 National Championship versus Kansas
beast of the east
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I'm wondering if anyone on here old enough to have seen Kevin Loughery at St. John's could comment on how good he was a collegian?
Ray Morgan
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Billy Schaeffer had one of the greatest senior seasons ever at SJU. He was a one man show that pretty much single handedly won the Holiday Festival against a strong field that included South Carolina, and a week or so later hit a buzzer beater to beat powerhouse Davidson on the road. He rebounded well for his size and shot nearly 60% from the field. If Mel Davis would have been on that team, they could have been something special.
Mel Davis was awesome. We have not had a monster rebounder like him since. If he didn't tear up his knee in the NIT, his career stats, already impressive through 2 seasons, would have blown up his senior year. Instead he went to the NBA where he seemed to lose all his confidence under Red Holzman.
Maybe Marcus Hatten isn't top 12, but he is awfully close.
Avon Barksdale
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Hatten was better than Harrison...sorry but that shouldn't even be a debate and I also happen to like Harrison but come on......
Hatten is the all time scoring leader in Big East games (by average).
1400 points in two years. He was a one man wrecking machine.
Hatten is the all time scoring leader in Big East games (by average).
1400 points in two years. He was a one man wrecking machine.
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I think a lot of fans who were students or around that age have latched onto Hatten because he was the team's best offensive weapon when they were introduced to SJU bball. As much as I've been critical over time of Harrison being more than a scorer than a great shooter, Harrison has legitimate three point range. Hatten was a poor three point shooter, shooting only 29% from beyond the arc. His two teams finished 7-9 and 9-7 in conference, one ncaa appearance, and an NIT championship. He was quicker than Harrison, and could take the ball to the hoop better. His shooting range was really not more than 15 feet and in, which is why he had no shot at all for the NBA.
As guards they both rebounded well, and although Hatten had more assists, everything revolved around him on offense.
I would take Harrison over Hatten. I always had the feeling that on a great SJU team, Hatten would not have played or scored nearly as much. If we compare Harrison's junior and senior season to Hatten, I think I'd find a place for D'angelo even on our Final Four team, but I'd pass on Hatten on that squad. Just an opinion.
I'd also think I would take Glen Williams over Hatten. Williams was a silky smooth shooting guard, who was an early second round pick of the Milwaukee Bucks.
Avon Barksdale
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While the argument against Hatten is always "he didnt shoot a high percentage" he also didnt have the luxury of being surrounded by the talent Harrison has had.
When you take a look at all around game, in particular, defense, Hatten was far superior to Harrison in that area - he was top 3 in the country in steals, great on the ball and off the ball defender.
Also, Hatten was a more prolific scorer - single handedly winning games for SJU, theone that i realy remember was coming back from 16 down at GTown in 2003 where he dropped 34 points - completely unstoppable....he was more versatile due to his athleticism which allowe d him to drive to the hoop more, whereas Harrison is more of a shooter (you will never see Hatten take a pull up three pointer on a fast break like Harrison does).
Lastly, with way less talent around him Hatten's two teams have accomplished more than any two teams Harrison was on (jury still out this year) and although i hold no depth and weight in winning an NIT, it is still better than being run out of your own gym in round 1 vs Robert Morris or a second round loss to UVA. And Hatten has an NCAA Tournament appearance, which we may get this year....but to me Hatten was a better player and that is nothing against Harrison who is great in his own right but having watched a lot of each of them i would take Hatten.
Agree to disagree.
While the argument against Hatten is always "he didnt shoot a high percentage" he also didnt have the luxury of being surrounded by the talent Harrison has had.
When you take a look at all around game, in particular, defense, Hatten was far superior to Harrison in that area - he was top 3 in the country in steals, great on the ball and off the ball defender.
Also, Hatten was a more prolific scorer - single handedly winning games for SJU, theone that i realy remember was coming back from 16 down at GTown in 2003 where he dropped 34 points - completely unstoppable....he was more versatile due to his athleticism which allowe d him to drive to the hoop more, whereas Harrison is more of a shooter (you will never see Hatten take a pull up three pointer on a fast break like Harrison does).
Lastly, with way less talent around him Hatten's two teams have accomplished more than any two teams Harrison was on (jury still out this year) and although i hold no depth and weight in winning an NIT, it is still better than being run out of your own gym in round 1 vs Robert Morris or a second round loss to UVA. And Hatten has an NCAA Tournament appearance, which we may get this year....but to me Hatten was a better player and that is nothing against Harrison who is great in his own right but having watched a lot of each of them i would take Hatten.
Agree to disagree.
Good point about Hatten's on the ball defense and steals. He was awesome on defense. That's an area where he far exceeds anything Dlo can do.
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While the argument against Hatten is always "he didnt shoot a high percentage" he also didnt have the luxury of being surrounded by the talent Harrison has had.
When you take a look at all around game, in particular, defense, Hatten was far superior to Harrison in that area - he was top 3 in the country in steals, great on the ball and off the ball defender.
Also, Hatten was a more prolific scorer - single handedly winning games for SJU, theone that i realy remember was coming back from 16 down at GTown in 2003 where he dropped 34 points - completely unstoppable....he was more versatile due to his athleticism which allowe d him to drive to the hoop more, whereas Harrison is more of a shooter (you will never see Hatten take a pull up three pointer on a fast break like Harrison does).
Lastly, with way less talent around him Hatten's two teams have accomplished more than any two teams Harrison was on (jury still out this year) and although i hold no depth and weight in winning an NIT, it is still better than being run out of your own gym in round 1 vs Robert Morris or a second round loss to UVA. And Hatten has an NCAA Tournament appearance, which we may get this year....but to me Hatten was a better player and that is nothing against Harrison who is great in his own right but having watched a lot of each of them i would take Hatten.
Agree to disagree.
It's fair. We can disagree. Keep in mind, historically on mediocre or worse teams the guy who is asked to carry the load would never score like that on a good team. For the most part I don't like guards who score but can't shoot well, but that's a preference.
MarkRedman
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Agree 100% about Billy and Mel
Billy camped out on the baseline about 15 feet out and drained shot after shot
Mel was a monster until he suffered the knee injury against Oral Roberts
I was really pissed when Looie left because Frank Mulzoff was a horrible coach
With all that talent, he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag