You have prob explained it before (missed it) - but why aren't you a Pitino guy?
When I am So For something... i try and find reasons against it.
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When I am So For something... i try and find reasons against it.
I'm always leery of posters who only show up when they claim to have "inside info". Then they quickly disappear again. Those posters are different then the regular and well respected posters on this board-like Eric-who may from time to time have some inside info. I also hear things from time to time and pick and choose what to post on this board. I also don't reveal my sources or I'll never hear another thing from them.
I wasn’t a “Pitino guy” in the past either. I couldn’t stand how they had massive advantages by walking on the less clean side of recruiting. Now we have the NIL so all is on the up and up. Rick Pitino, go to town and get as much talent and money as you can flowing into SJU. Time to reclaim our spot near the top.
I know that there are degrees MCN, but you show me a successful coach and I'll show you a guy who walked(walks) on the less clean side of recruiting. And that includes the 2 most successful coaches of all time, Wooden and K. Nobody played the game better and smarter then those 2.
Rocket
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Firstly, my post was in jest!
It was a reference to the amenities Rick Pitino and his players enjoyed at Kentucky. St. John's will NEVER have those pampered players facilities.
As for the hairstylists, it was poking fun at MALE college athletes today who think looking like Brittney Griner is masculine. Yeah, Yeah, I know it's a current hair style!
You said:
"You want to be a big time D1 program, then you get the coach, who gets the players and support him with the appropriate budgets and facilities. Right now we are lagging behind on all fronts."
Don't expect a 71 year old Pitino to recruit at the level of his days at Kentucky or Louisville. St. John's will never be able to duplicate the NIL offers of those schools or any top power 5 school. Matching a recruiting budget is the easiest part to address. Spending $100 million to improve the facilities because "the coach" wants it is not going to happen. I'm sorry to piss on your wishful thinking but Pitino has at most another 4 years left of coaching. No new fieldhouse, on-campus arena, dedicated athletic dorms, are happening in the time period.
Finally, let's hire a coach before we steal all those basketball players from basketball powerhouses like Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, Marquette, Houston, Miami, Alabama, and Xavier.
What happens first? Pitino to St. John's or Rodgers to the Jets?
On the subject of Pitino as new coach, remember the words of the Great Louie Carnessecca when asked for a predition on an oppenent; he said he wouldn't talk about it as it would "put the horns on him and the team". Maybe there is a time to tone down what one can't control and wait till the Fat Lady Sings.
Or just give Rick better recruiting $ & enriched NIL support which he will help with
Watch, we paid the Search Firm a big fat Retainer that is non-refundable, and owe them a big fat % of the ultimate hire's aggregate salary, even if the search firm doesn't find the Coach (because Fr. Shanley found him without their help).
It figures, right?
I hope our legal eagles didn't let the School agree to those terms.
It figures, right?
I hope our legal eagles didn't let the School agree to those terms.
ronm
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They should have included a clause that no fee is due if Pitino is the hire.
Yeah not sure why you would single out Pitino for that, you would then basically reject just about any high major coach with a great record which would leave you time and time again with risky bets.
Also if anyone has shown the ability to win WITHOUT 5 star recruits at every position it is Pitino. You really think he took Providence to the Final Four with paid recruits. You think he is paying those 2 star recruits at Iona?
I always tell people if you want to know how good a coach he is go look specifically at the 2010-11 season at Louisville. He went 25-10/12-6 tied for 3rd in the BE and loss BE Tourney Final to UCONN and got a 4 seed in the NCAAs in an absolutely STACKED Big East. That roster had 5 consensus top 100 kids. Not bad but hardly overwhelming and non were surefire pros. And several of them were not even prominent players on that team.
Of the top 6 scorers on the team only Peyton Siva and Terrence Jennings were top 100 recruits. Preston Knowles was a 2 star recruit. Mike Marra was a 3 star recruit. Chris Smith was a 2 star recruit who transferred in from Manhattan College. There is no one who thought Chris Smith could play in the BE let alone contribute on a good team. And Kyle Kuric was a 3 star unranked kid who later gave up his scholarship at Louisville and walked on. Go compare that top 6 to say the team he use to coach down the road in Lexington (John Calipari). That team's 5 leading scorers were ALL consensus top 35 players. And I think Calipari is a terrific coach. But you see my point.
| Player | # | Class | Pos | Height | Weight | Hometown | RSCI Top 100 | Summary |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Preston Knowles | 2 | SR | G | 6-1 | 195 | Winchester, KY | 14.6 Pts, 3.9 Reb, 3.1 Ast | |
| Kyle Kuric | 14 | JR | G | 6-4 | 195 | Evansville, IN | 10.8 Pts, 3.9 Reb, 1.2 Ast | |
| Peyton Siva | 3 | SO | G | 6-0 | 185 | Seattle, WA | 27 (2009) | 9.9 Pts, 3.1 Reb, 5.2 Ast |
| Chris Smith | 5 | JR | G | 6-2 | 195 | Millstone, NJ | 9.4 Pts, 4.6 Reb, 2.5 Ast | |
| Terrence Jennings | 23 | JR | F | 6-10 | 230 | Sacramento, CA | 57 (2008) | 9.6 Pts, 5.2 Reb, 0.7 Ast |
| Mike Marra | 33 | SO | G | 6-5 | 215 | Smithfield, RI | 6.4 Pts, 2.1 Reb, 2.0 Ast |
RedStormRising
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Hello Bucket,
Let me say if you're needling me because every time I post that, I don't like Pitino I get lit up on this board. I got to say, it's a pretty good jape! If you're serious. I think he's a smarmy person. Successful for sure, but he's played fast and loose with the rules and when he's been caught it's been all excuses and no accountability. Same reason I wouldn't hire someone from Bear Stearns to head up my investment bank. Sure they might make a lot of money, until they don't and the fall is hard.
So my one sentence reason is. I think he has as much chance as getting us to the sweet sixteen as he does getting us banned from post season play.
This is not to suggest Pitino can't recruit or doesn't get high level players. He does of course. But this is a myth that he only wins with those players.
And this is not to be a Pitino apologist for some of his personal baggage which he definitely has.
But this is not a controversial statement, he maybe the best pure coach of his generation. And many will tell you that. Give me any 10 guys and give me a week to prepare them for a big game and then give me any coach to pick, I am picking Rick. Over K, Dean Smith, Knight etc...
A few years back Jim Boeheim was on Center Stage on YES with Michael Kay and he gave him a hypothetical, it's Monday in April and you are playing for the National Championship. You look down the other end, who is the ONE COACH YOU DO NOT WANT to face?
He did not hesitate, he said Rick Pitino.
And this is not to be a Pitino apologist for some of his personal baggage which he definitely has.
But this is not a controversial statement, he maybe the best pure coach of his generation. And many will tell you that. Give me any 10 guys and give me a week to prepare them for a big game and then give me any coach to pick, I am picking Rick. Over K, Dean Smith, Knight etc...
A few years back Jim Boeheim was on Center Stage on YES with Michael Kay and he gave him a hypothetical, it's Monday in April and you are playing for the National Championship. You look down the other end, who is the ONE COACH YOU DO NOT WANT to face?
He did not hesitate, he said Rick Pitino.
What makes anyone think they would know who Pitino is on their own?
RSR, you mean as opposed to us banning ourselves from postseason play?
'St. Rick' isn't the label hoops aficionados tag Coach Pitino with--for sure. Yes, the guy has baggage but, as others have said here, what very successful coach has none?
I'd also offer that this would likely be Rick's last HC spot, he's home, highly esteemed at his Golf Club, he and Father Shanley go way back, and the new NIL makes recruiting a different ballgame (that he likely brings to a new level for SJU in sync with Mike Repole & other allies).
Why would he jeopardize that and freshly stain his reputation and career at this point in his life?
I doubt he would. I think Rick Pitino would be a fabulous 'get' for this University---and would love to be the guy who revived St. John's Men's Hoops.
I'm on pins and needles for this to play out to a happy ending next week. I hope.
I'd also offer that this would likely be Rick's last HC spot, he's home, highly esteemed at his Golf Club, he and Father Shanley go way back, and the new NIL makes recruiting a different ballgame (that he likely brings to a new level for SJU in sync with Mike Repole & other allies).
Why would he jeopardize that and freshly stain his reputation and career at this point in his life?
I doubt he would. I think Rick Pitino would be a fabulous 'get' for this University---and would love to be the guy who revived St. John's Men's Hoops.
I'm on pins and needles for this to play out to a happy ending next week. I hope.
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I think just not wanting the guy around because of his past is fine. We all have our own feelings about that stuff. I do think, if you really are worried about the go-forward, that it's a needless worry. Not because I know of any particular change in Pitino, but because the NCAA has basically tossed up their hands and everything goes now.
I agree that Pitino is a great coach. He is better than Calipari any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I agree that he is a better coach than all the coaches you mentioned, except Bobby Knight. If we are going to evaluate Pitino strictly on his coaching ability, then Knight should be evaluated in the same way. I have always been a big Bob Knight fan.
