Conference Realignment

Marillac2 said:
My thoughts as well. UVA will never be competitive. Va Tech is a different story....a lot more fan interest.
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Good post . You are right about UVA being out of their league in the SEC or BiG 10 .

My granddaughter graduated from Virginia 2 years ago and now on her way to Medical School.
UVA is a Academic School above all else . They belong with Duke, Stanford , Wake Forest , Ga Tech . I would have included Vanderbilt and Northwestern but ,though schools have more competitive football and basketball programs , usually .

Va Tech is a excellent school, especially for Engineering but , it doesn’t have the cache of UVA.

Also the Demographics of Charlottesville is much different than Blacksburg , Va.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Good post . You are right about UVA being out of their league in the SEC or BiG 10 .

My granddaughter graduated from Virginia 2 years ago and now on her way to Medical School.
UVA is a Academic School above all else . They belong with Duke, Stanford , Wake Forest , Ga Tech . I would have included Vanderbilt and Northwestern but ,though schools have more competitive football and basketball programs , usually .

Va Tech is a excellent school, especially for Engineering but , it doesn’t have the cache of UVA.

Also the Demographics of Charlottesville is much different than Blacksburg , Va.
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UVA’s basketball program historically has been much better than Northwestern’s and Vanderbilt’s. I agree on football but none of them have had strong football programs although Vandy is trending up (currently in the Top 20) and Northwestern surprises every once in a blue moon.

UVA fits the Big Ten profile and has more cache than Va Tech (I agree with your points there).
 
SJU85 said:
UVA’s basketball program historically has been much better than Northwestern’s and Vanderbilt’s. I agree on football but none of them have had strong football programs although Vandy is trending up (currently in the Top 20) and Northwestern surprises every once in a blue moon.

UVA fits the Big Ten profile and has more cache than Va Tech (I agree with your points there).
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I always thought Vandy fit in more with the ACC, but I guess there's no way you are giving up SEC affiliation unless it's taken from you.
 
SJU85 said:
UVA’s basketball program historically has been much better than Northwestern’s and Vanderbilt’s. I agree on football but none of them have had strong football programs although Vandy is trending up (currently in the Top 20) and Northwestern surprises every once in a blue moon.

UVA fits the Big Ten profile and has more cache than Va Tech (I agree with your points there).
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Va Tech football has averaged 20,000-25,000 more fans per game since 2010. UVA has not been a good football program for a long time. They haven’t won 10 games in a season since the 80’s. Va Tech won ten games at least a dozen times since Vick’s freshman year.
 
Marillac2 said:
Va Tech football has averaged 20,000-25,000 more fans per game since 2010. UVA has not been a good football program for a long time. They haven’t won 10 games in a season since the 80’s. Va Tech won ten games at least a dozen times since Vick’s freshman year.
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The Shawn Moore-Herman Moore team is the last one I remember being really good as well as exciting, but even they dropped a heartbreaker to Ga. Tech in season and may have also lost their bowl game.
 
Marillac2 said:
Va Tech football has averaged 20,000-25,000 more fans per game since 2010. UVA has not been a good football program for a long time. They haven’t won 10 games in a season since the 80’s. Va Tech won ten games at least a dozen times since Vick’s freshman year.
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It’s not always about the class of football and the Fannie’s in the seats which is how you get an RU in the Big Ten.

No doubt Va. Tech has a better football program and is a school, UVA however, has the bigger reputation and brand overall. It is why you are hearing more about them in alignment talks than Va Tech.
 
SJU85 said:
It’s not always about the class of football and the Fannie’s in the seats which is how you get an RU in the Big Ten.

No doubt Va. Tech has a better football program and is a school, UVA however, has the bigger reputation and brand overall. It is why you are hearing more about them in alignment talks than Va Tech.
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I find attendance to be a great measure of the health of a program and interest in it. If Virginia is struggling to get 40,000 fans when they play nearby teams or monster schools like ND, FSU, and Clemson that supply 10,000+ fans, that’s a really bad sign.

I would think NC State, Lousville, UNC, and Va Tech are better candidates from the second tier of ACC teams.
 
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Again, I just think all of you are thinking way too football-centric on this. UVA's academics and overall athletic program is on a totally different plain than VA Tech. Compound that with being *the* flagship university of Virginia, that is why B10/SEC are targeting them equally with UNC.
 
dk423 said:
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Again, I just think all of you are thinking way too football-centric on this. UVA's academics and overall athletic program is on a totally different plain than VA Tech. Compound that with being *the* flagship university of Virginia, that is why B10/SEC are targeting them equally with UNC.
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Not all are thinking too football-centric.
 
dk423 said:
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Again, I just think all of you are thinking way too football-centric on this. UVA's academics and overall athletic program is on a totally different plain than VA Tech. Compound that with being *the* flagship university of Virginia, that is why B10/SEC are targeting them equally with UNC.
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Va Tech has great academics, albeit not UVA.
I don’t know if UVA is the flagship of Virginia football, but they do offer a lot with non-football sports and academics. I also think Virginia is largely a professional team state.

It comes down to just how much are conferences willing to water down their football product? Also, do the SEC and Big Ten want to deal a death punch to the Big 12? If that is a goal, you divvy up the entire second tier of ACC schools.
 
Marillac2 said:
Va Tech has great academics, albeit not UVA.
I don’t know if UVA is the flagship of Virginia football, but they do offer a lot with non-football sports and academics. I also think Virginia is largely a professional team state.

It comes down to just how much are conferences willing to water down their football product? Also, do the SEC and Big Ten want to deal a death punch to the Big 12? If that is a goal, you divvy up the entire second tier of ACC schools.
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Outside of Clemson -- but, maybe? look at them now -- and Florida State + Miami, every school would be watering down football in the SEC and Big Ten. I think it's about brand acquisition and geographic footprint at this point. Its why I still think Stanford is an inevitable B10 add.

The death punch has already been delivered to the Big 12. They have no great brands or consistently good programs. They're all pretty mid-tier in football.

But if the SEC or Big Ten wanted the Big 12 to be a pointless conference, the real death punch would be adding Kansas and Arizona. Then, their blue blood basketball programs are gone and leaves them only two flagship universities left, Utah and Colorado.
 
dk423 said:
Outside of Clemson -- but, maybe? look at them now -- and Florida State + Miami, every school would be watering down football in the SEC and Big Ten. I think it's about brand acquisition and geographic footprint at this point. Its why I still think Stanford is an inevitable B10 add.

The death punch has already been delivered to the Big 12. They have no great brands or consistently good programs. They're all pretty mid-tier in football.

But if the SEC or Big Ten wanted the Big 12 to be a pointless conference, the real death punch would be adding Kansas and Arizona. Then, their blue blood basketball programs are gone and leaves them only two flagship universities left, Utah and Colorado.
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Dividing all worthwhile teams in the ACC would be step 1. Then stealing their top schools would be step 2 in that process.

I think BYU is the power program of the Big 12. Refusing BYU is what killed the PAC-12. You take Kansas and BYU from them and that conference will wither away.
 
Marillac2 said:
I think BYU is the power program of the Big 12. Refusing BYU is what killed the PAC-12. You take Kansas and BYU from them and that conference will wither away.
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That, and the screw up with quibbling over Texas whether they get to keep certain revenue for themselves. Memory hazy, but might have been a Longhorns TV network thing.
 
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Would love to better understand this. On some level it sounds similar to private equity groups buying the Dodgers, and Euro soccer clubs like Chelsea and Milan.

Bigger picture, this is all insane!
 
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