Zach B SJU Recruiting Critique

I used the term "transfer market" on here a few times which is solely a soccer term in Europe. I've never heard it used in college ball but I said it anyway bc I like the way it sounds. And this hack straight up just copied me in this article smh!
 
Lets be fair. Lavin was killed for not having a back up plan. He brought in some very good ball players but there were tons of holes in our roster.
This staff has a plan and are executing accordingly. Year 1they brought in 2 5th year transfers year 2 they are only looking at 1. I like that and truly hope they get Livingston as I believe he would be a fantastic addition in terms of ability and senior leadership.
As for the 2 transfers they could be fantastic additions, time will tell , but I applaud the staff for making a decision re 2017 and going forward as soon as possible and not striking out and then grasping at straws. We dream of 4 and 5 star freshmen but if that is not possible 4 and 5 star transfers are just great. Remember too these transfers will make us a better team come next November , a 2017 high school player would not have an positive effect on next years team.
 
IMO, it comes down to this. At this point in time, St. John's is not in the position to land 4 and 5 star HS recruits. Sure, they may luck out and land a player like LoVett or Ponds, but they cannot consistently land those top guys without showing success on the court. So here are your choices: (1) Recruit sleepers, such as Christian Jones back in the day (2) Be aggressive on the transfer market and bring in guys who were previously top recruits. Personally, I like how the staff is building the team. Will it be an immediate turnaround? No, but few turnarounds are quick in sports. Fact is if the team improves in 2016-'17 (let's say in the neighborhood of 15 wins) and takes an even bigger step in 2017-'18, then the coaches will have proven just how dangerous SJU can and will be.

And I personally think guys like Clark and Simon are really going to help them get there. Experienced players coming from fantastic programs, I think they'll be great adds to the cause.
 
IMO, it comes down to this. At this point in time, St. John's is not in the position to land 4 and 5 star HS recruits. Sure, they may luck out and land a player like LoVett or Ponds, but they cannot consistently land those top guys without showing success on the court. So here are your choices: (1) Recruit sleepers, such as Christian Jones back in the day (2) Be aggressive on the transfer market and bring in guys who were previously top recruits. Personally, I like how the staff is building the team. Will it be an immediate turnaround? No, but few turnarounds are quick in sports. Fact is if the team improves in 2016-'17 (let's say in the neighborhood of 15 wins) and takes an even bigger step in 2017-'18, then the coaches will have proven just how dangerous SJU can and will be.

And I personally think guys like Clark and Simon are really going to help them get there. Experienced players coming from fantastic programs, I think they'll be great adds to the cause.
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Please go back and reread the rankings.
Lovett 4*
Yakwe 4 *
That was without ever having coached a game.
Ponds 4*
RF 4*
Ahmed 4*
Clark 4*
Simon 5*
Agree with the part that we must improve our win total , which we will this season , but recruiting high level players is and will continue to be the norm :) for this staff.
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
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Time will definitely tell on your last point. I think the additions of LoVett and Ponds will help the offense by default. The lack of good point guard play was very easy to see in 2015-'16. What I am still concerned about was the regression in defense as the year went on. Personally, I'm chalking it up to inexperience and tired legs, but definitely need to see improvement in that area going into next year.
 
IMO, it comes down to this. At this point in time, St. John's is not in the position to land 4 and 5 star HS recruits. Sure, they may luck out and land a player like LoVett or Ponds, but they cannot consistently land those top guys without showing success on the court. So here are your choices: (1) Recruit sleepers, such as Christian Jones back in the day (2) Be aggressive on the transfer market and bring in guys who were previously top recruits. Personally, I like how the staff is building the team. Will it be an immediate turnaround? No, but few turnarounds are quick in sports. Fact is if the team improves in 2016-'17 (let's say in the neighborhood of 15 wins) and takes an even bigger step in 2017-'18, then the coaches will have proven just how dangerous SJU can and will be.

And I personally think guys like Clark and Simon are really going to help them get there. Experienced players coming from fantastic programs, I think they'll be great adds to the cause.
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Please go back and reread the rankings.
Lovett 4*
Yakwe 4 *
That was without ever having coached a game.
Ponds 4*
RF 4*
Ahmed 4*
Clark 4*
Simon 5*
Agree with the part that we must improve our win total , which we will this season , but recruiting high level players is and will continue to be the norm :) for this staff.
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Let me be more clear considering about everyone in the top 100 is ranked a 4 star recruit. I'm talking more about guys that are headlining classes (e.g. Top 25, maybe even Top 50). Unless I'm mistaken, the only one who has really cracked that is Ponds (possibly LoVett, as I've seen him listed anywhere from 40-65). And I don't know why you're throwing Clark and Simon there considering I said they are targeting previously high ranked transfers.
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
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Time will definitely tell on your last point. I think the additions of LoVett and Ponds will help the offense by default. The lack of good point guard play was very easy to see in 2015-'16. What I am still concerned about was the regression in defense as the year went on. Personally, I'm chalking it up to inexperience and tired legs, but definitely need to see improvement in that area going into next year.
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Do we have an assistant specializing in defense?

There is much posted and written about the recruiting strong points of Matt A and Slice. And we have kicked ass in that respect the past 12 months. We all hope it translates into wins and winning in this league seems to start with great defense.
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
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Time will definitely tell on your last point. I think the additions of LoVett and Ponds will help the offense by default. The lack of good point guard play was very easy to see in 2015-'16. What I am still concerned about was the regression in defense as the year went on. Personally, I'm chalking it up to inexperience and tired legs, but definitely need to see improvement in that area going into next year.
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Do we have an assistant specializing in defense?

There is much posted and written about the recruiting strong points of Matt A and Slice. And we have kicked ass in that respect the past 12 months. We all hope it translates into wins and winning in this league seems to start with great defense.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say Greg St. Jean
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
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Time will definitely tell on your last point. I think the additions of LoVett and Ponds will help the offense by default. The lack of good point guard play was very easy to see in 2015-'16. What I am still concerned about was the regression in defense as the year went on. Personally, I'm chalking it up to inexperience and tired legs, but definitely need to see improvement in that area going into next year.
Click to expand...

Do we have an assistant specializing in defense?

There is much posted and written about the recruiting strong points of Matt A and Slice. And we have kicked ass in that respect the past 12 months. We all hope it translates into wins and winning in this league seems to start with great defense.
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A matador. Just kidding Logen :)
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
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Time will definitely tell on your last point. I think the additions of LoVett and Ponds will help the offense by default. The lack of good point guard play was very easy to see in 2015-'16. What I am still concerned about was the regression in defense as the year went on. Personally, I'm chalking it up to inexperience and tired legs, but definitely need to see improvement in that area going into next year.
Click to expand...

Do we have an assistant specializing in defense?

There is much posted and written about the recruiting strong points of Matt A and Slice. And we have kicked ass in that respect the past 12 months. We all hope it translates into wins and winning in this league seems to start with great defense.
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A matador. Just kidding Logen :)
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You may just be on to something, I think now that we have players maybe we can get Mullin, Matt, and Barry to take a sabbatical for a couple of years and bring Dunlap back and see about a seance to contact the ghost of Al LoBalbo. And then rotate every couple of years, kind of a platoon system for coaches,
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
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Time will definitely tell on your last point. I think the additions of LoVett and Ponds will help the offense by default. The lack of good point guard play was very easy to see in 2015-'16. What I am still concerned about was the regression in defense as the year went on. Personally, I'm chalking it up to inexperience and tired legs, but definitely need to see improvement in that area going into next year.
Click to expand...

Do we have an assistant specializing in defense?

There is much posted and written about the recruiting strong points of Matt A and Slice. And we have kicked ass in that respect the past 12 months. We all hope it translates into wins and winning in this league seems to start with great defense.
Click to expand...

A matador. Just kidding Logen :)
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You may just be on to something, I think now that we have players maybe we can get Mullin, Matt, and Barry to take a sabbatical for a couple of years and bring Dunlap back and see about a seance to contact the ghost of Al LoBalbo. And then rotate every couple of years, kind of a platoon system for coaches,
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John Edwards went to my school. Just put him on the staff and maybe he can channel LoBalbo quicker :)
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
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Time will definitely tell on your last point. I think the additions of LoVett and Ponds will help the offense by default. The lack of good point guard play was very easy to see in 2015-'16. What I am still concerned about was the regression in defense as the year went on. Personally, I'm chalking it up to inexperience and tired legs, but definitely need to see improvement in that area going into next year.
Click to expand...

Do we have an assistant specializing in defense?

There is much posted and written about the recruiting strong points of Matt A and Slice. And we have kicked ass in that respect the past 12 months. We all hope it translates into wins and winning in this league seems to start with great defense.
Click to expand...

A matador. Just kidding Logen :)
Click to expand...

You may just be on to something, I think now that we have players maybe we can get Mullin, Matt, and Barry to take a sabbatical for a couple of years and bring Dunlap back and see about a seance to contact the ghost of Al LoBalbo. And then rotate every couple of years, kind of a platoon system for coaches,
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John Edwards went to my school. Just put him on the staff and maybe he can channel LoBalbo quicker :)
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Two questions:
What school?
Has Mr. Edwards (a #5 star) gone to the great beyond or is he still helping grieving folks on this planet?
 
Staff is addressing total rebuild correctly while trying to improve record incrementally by;

1. Looking at quality foreign kids.

2. Taking a stab judiciously at offering some elites to show we are getting back in game.

3. Recruit 4 star & even 3 star kids who may develop late, be they local or not.

4. Aggressively playing transfer game when called for.

5. Winning games.

I think the plan has been well thought out with contingencies, like going transfer route when some targeted 17 kids faded for whatever reason.

Item 5 is the toughest, but usually having good players is half the battle. My biggest curiosity is whether or not Mullin & staff have the goods. I am certainly not skeptical, but nor am I convinced of anything at this point. The next several years should afford us a reasonable sample to voice an opinion on that. All in all, I remain an optimist.
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Time will definitely tell on your last point. I think the additions of LoVett and Ponds will help the offense by default. The lack of good point guard play was very easy to see in 2015-'16. What I am still concerned about was the regression in defense as the year went on. Personally, I'm chalking it up to inexperience and tired legs, but definitely need to see improvement in that area going into next year.
Click to expand...

Do we have an assistant specializing in defense?

There is much posted and written about the recruiting strong points of Matt A and Slice. And we have kicked ass in that respect the past 12 months. We all hope it translates into wins and winning in this league seems to start with great defense.
Click to expand...

A matador. Just kidding Logen :)
Click to expand...

You may just be on to something, I think now that we have players maybe we can get Mullin, Matt, and Barry to take a sabbatical for a couple of years and bring Dunlap back and see about a seance to contact the ghost of Al LoBalbo. And then rotate every couple of years, kind of a platoon system for coaches,
Click to expand...

John Edwards went to my school. Just put him on the staff and maybe he can channel LoBalbo quicker :)
Click to expand...

Two questions:
What school?
Has Mr. Edwards (a #5 star) gone to the great beyond or is he still helping grieving folks on this planet?
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Glen Cove
 
At the risk of being redundant, what a kid's stars/rankings were in high school means virtually nothing once the kid has played some college ball. I don't care if the kid had zero stars but proved himself in college and wanted to transfer in. Likewise, if a kid was a 4 or 5 star kid it means nothing until he proves it at this level. I'm all for getting Simon and Clark, and hope they fulfill the promise they showed while in high school, but lets not get carried away with expectations based on their high school rankings.
 
At the risk of being redundant, what a kid's stars/rankings were in high school means virtually nothing once the kid has played some college ball. I don't care if the kid had zero stars but proved himself in college and wanted to transfer in. Likewise, if a kid was a 4 or 5 star kid it means nothing until he proves it at this level. I'm all for getting Simon and Clark, and hope they fulfill the promise they showed while in high school, but lets not get carried away with expectations based on their high school rankings.
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I don't think this is accurate at all. Forgetting their rankings doesn't mean it's worth nothing. A 5-star kid like Simon that as a freshman played 5 minutes per game because the guys ahead of him were all 5 star guys with experience doesn't diminish his stature out of high school. He was still pretty heavily evaluated. It's definitely a blank slate for him here when he hits the court, but there definitely should be some expectations of talent based on their talent level merely one year ago out of high school.
 
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