Zach B SJU Recruiting Critique

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Everyone wants elite prospects, the guys with five stars next to their names, the one-and-done program-changers.

St. John’s wants them, too. But that is not necessarily the way to go about building sustainable success for a program that has bottomed out, and that is what has been going on for the last year in Queens. It continued this past week, when the Red Storm landed potential impact transfers Marvin Clark Jr. (Michigan State) and Justin Simon (Arizona), players the staff envisions can be difference-makers after sitting out next season, with a combined five years of eligibility left.

The Johnnies liked the idea of bringing in veterans to add to their young nucleus. The right transfers, a veteran Division I coach said, “could accelerate the process.” St. John’s is confident Simon and Clark will blossom in Queens, not just because of their talent, but also because of the desire to be pushed and the leadership qualities they possess.

“Those two guys were exceptional in all areas, I thought,” St. John’s coach Chris Mullin said in a phone interview.

This week, there was a worry within the fan base St. John’s is prioritizing transfers over high school prospects. Some questioned why the program would leave only one open scholarship for next year with such a strong 2017 class locally, headed by top-10 prospects Mohamed Bamba of Harlem and Hamidou Diallo of Queens.

St. John’s will continue to recruit locally and will track both all summer, but it should be noted Bamba and Diallo don’t attend high school in New York City. St. John’s will have to beat out the likes of Kentucky and Duke for their services. It landed the best true New Yorker this year, four-star guard Shamorie Ponds of Brooklyn, along with junior college star Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. If or when St. John’s becomes a consistent winner, then it can expect to land blue-chippers.

“That’s the way it is, and that’s the way it should be,” Mullin said.

Furthermore, for all the attention a one-and-done type brings, just look at Marquette and LSU, which landed Henry Ellenson and Ben Simmons, respectively, last year. Neither team even made the NIT this season.

The St. John’s staff, moreover, feels confident it can bring in a blockbuster 2018 group, another strong class locally led by highly ranked Hudson Catholic (N.J.) guard duo Luther Muhammad and Jahvon Quinerly and Roselle (N.J.) Catholic forward Naz Reid.

St. John’s always will be involved in the transfer market because of assistant Matt Abdelmassih. There were transfers who have listed St. John’s that the program wasn’t even recruiting, just because of how active the assistant coach is when it comes to transfers. For those questioning the aggressive nature of recruiting at the junior college level and taking transfers, go look at some of St. John’s best seasons. The 1984-85 Final Four team was led by Mullin and junior college transfer Walter Berry. That team also had Notre Dame transfer Ron Rowan, who played a big part on the Johnnies’ 1985-86 team that went 31-5.

“The balance is important,” Mullin said.

Last year, St. John’s brought in five freshmen. Next season, it will have two more. There will be two junior college transfers and as many as three transfers. By 2017, if everyone remains in the program, the roster — comprised of local players and international ones, high school prospects and transfers — will feature two seniors, six juniors and five sophomores. That’s called balance. That’s called even scholarship distribution. St. John’s hasn’t seen such well-thought-out recruiting planning in a long time.

“If it proves to be successful in two to three years, you’ll see it used as a potential blueprint for future high-major rebuilding jobs,” 247Sports.com national recruiting analyst Andrew Slater said. “It is a calculated gamble, but one that can potentially fast forward the rebuilding process at St. John’s.”
http://nypost.com/2016/04/22/why-st-johns-controversial-transfers-can-accelerate-rebuild/
 
Everyone wants elite prospects, the guys with five stars next to their names, the one-and-done program-changers.

St. John’s wants them, too. But that is not necessarily the way to go about building sustainable success for a program that has bottomed out, and that is what has been going on for the last year in Queens. It continued this past week, when the Red Storm landed potential impact transfers Marvin Clark Jr. (Michigan State) and Justin Simon (Arizona), players the staff envisions can be difference-makers after sitting out next season, with a combined five years of eligibility left.

The Johnnies liked the idea of bringing in veterans to add to their young nucleus. The right transfers, a veteran Division I coach said, “could accelerate the process.” St. John’s is confident Simon and Clark will blossom in Queens, not just because of their talent, but also because of the desire to be pushed and the leadership qualities they possess.

“Those two guys were exceptional in all areas, I thought,” St. John’s coach Chris Mullin said in a phone interview.

This week, there was a worry within the fan base St. John’s is prioritizing transfers over high school prospects. Some questioned why the program would leave only one open scholarship for next year with such a strong 2017 class locally, headed by top-10 prospects Mohamed Bamba of Harlem and Hamidou Diallo of Queens.

St. John’s will continue to recruit locally and will track both all summer, but it should be noted Bamba and Diallo don’t attend high school in New York City. St. John’s will have to beat out the likes of Kentucky and Duke for their services. It landed the best true New Yorker this year, four-star guard Shamorie Ponds of Brooklyn, along with junior college star Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. If or when St. John’s becomes a consistent winner, then it can expect to land blue-chippers.

“That’s the way it is, and that’s the way it should be,” Mullin said.

Furthermore, for all the attention a one-and-done type brings, just look at Marquette and LSU, which landed Henry Ellenson and Ben Simmons, respectively, last year. Neither team even made the NIT this season.

The St. John’s staff, moreover, feels confident it can bring in a blockbuster 2018 group, another strong class locally led by highly ranked Hudson Catholic (N.J.) guard duo Luther Muhammad and Jahvon Quinerly and Roselle (N.J.) Catholic forward Naz Reid.

St. John’s always will be involved in the transfer market because of assistant Matt Abdelmassih. There were transfers who have listed St. John’s that the program wasn’t even recruiting, just because of how active the assistant coach is when it comes to transfers. For those questioning the aggressive nature of recruiting at the junior college level and taking transfers, go look at some of St. John’s best seasons. The 1984-85 Final Four team was led by Mullin and junior college transfer Walter Berry. That team also had Notre Dame transfer Ron Rowan, who played a big part on the Johnnies’ 1985-86 team that went 31-5.

“The balance is important,” Mullin said.

Last year, St. John’s brought in five freshmen. Next season, it will have two more. There will be two junior college transfers and as many as three transfers. By 2017, if everyone remains in the program, the roster — comprised of local players and international ones, high school prospects and transfers — will feature two seniors, six juniors and five sophomores. That’s called balance. That’s called even scholarship distribution. St. John’s hasn’t seen such well-thought-out recruiting planning in a long time.

“If it proves to be successful in two to three years, you’ll see it used as a potential blueprint for future high-major rebuilding jobs,” 247Sports.com national recruiting analyst Andrew Slater said. “It is a calculated gamble, but one that can potentially fast forward the rebuilding process at St. John’s.”
http://nypost.com/2016/04/22/why-st-johns-controversial-transfers-can-accelerate-rebuild/

2 non-original thoughts: First, after reading this can there be any doubt that Zach gathers his info, and gets his read on the fan base, in large part from Redmen.com? Second, after years of recruiting by the seat of our pants, it is so great to see this staff have a master plan in place.
 
Zach did get a lot of this from redmen, but i still applaud him for the article nonetheless.


Getting some 2018 studs makes the most sense, because 2017 is the year our team should have/will have much success. Let's beat the national champs at the garden that year in front of a sold out crowd, that'd be something
 
Everyone wants elite prospects, the guys with five stars next to their names, the one-and-done program-changers.

St. John’s wants them, too. But that is not necessarily the way to go about building sustainable success for a program that has bottomed out, and that is what has been going on for the last year in Queens. It continued this past week, when the Red Storm landed potential impact transfers Marvin Clark Jr. (Michigan State) and Justin Simon (Arizona), players the staff envisions can be difference-makers after sitting out next season, with a combined five years of eligibility left.

The Johnnies liked the idea of bringing in veterans to add to their young nucleus. The right transfers, a veteran Division I coach said, “could accelerate the process.” St. John’s is confident Simon and Clark will blossom in Queens, not just because of their talent, but also because of the desire to be pushed and the leadership qualities they possess.

“Those two guys were exceptional in all areas, I thought,” St. John’s coach Chris Mullin said in a phone interview.

This week, there was a worry within the fan base St. John’s is prioritizing transfers over high school prospects. Some questioned why the program would leave only one open scholarship for next year with such a strong 2017 class locally, headed by top-10 prospects Mohamed Bamba of Harlem and Hamidou Diallo of Queens.

St. John’s will continue to recruit locally and will track both all summer, but it should be noted Bamba and Diallo don’t attend high school in New York City. St. John’s will have to beat out the likes of Kentucky and Duke for their services. It landed the best true New Yorker this year, four-star guard Shamorie Ponds of Brooklyn, along with junior college star Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. If or when St. John’s becomes a consistent winner, then it can expect to land blue-chippers.

“That’s the way it is, and that’s the way it should be,” Mullin said.

Furthermore, for all the attention a one-and-done type brings, just look at Marquette and LSU, which landed Henry Ellenson and Ben Simmons, respectively, last year. Neither team even made the NIT this season.

The St. John’s staff, moreover, feels confident it can bring in a blockbuster 2018 group, another strong class locally led by highly ranked Hudson Catholic (N.J.) guard duo Luther Muhammad and Jahvon Quinerly and Roselle (N.J.) Catholic forward Naz Reid.

St. John’s always will be involved in the transfer market because of assistant Matt Abdelmassih. There were transfers who have listed St. John’s that the program wasn’t even recruiting, just because of how active the assistant coach is when it comes to transfers. For those questioning the aggressive nature of recruiting at the junior college level and taking transfers, go look at some of St. John’s best seasons. The 1984-85 Final Four team was led by Mullin and junior college transfer Walter Berry. That team also had Notre Dame transfer Ron Rowan, who played a big part on the Johnnies’ 1985-86 team that went 31-5.

“The balance is important,” Mullin said.

Last year, St. John’s brought in five freshmen. Next season, it will have two more. There will be two junior college transfers and as many as three transfers. By 2017, if everyone remains in the program, the roster — comprised of local players and international ones, high school prospects and transfers — will feature two seniors, six juniors and five sophomores. That’s called balance. That’s called even scholarship distribution. St. John’s hasn’t seen such well-thought-out recruiting planning in a long time.

“If it proves to be successful in two to three years, you’ll see it used as a potential blueprint for future high-major rebuilding jobs,” 247Sports.com national recruiting analyst Andrew Slater said. “It is a calculated gamble, but one that can potentially fast forward the rebuilding process at St. John’s.”
http://nypost.com/2016/04/22/why-st-johns-controversial-transfers-can-accelerate-rebuild/

2 non-original thoughts: First, after reading this can there be any doubt that Zach gathers his info, and gets his read on the fan base, in large part from Redmen.com? Second, after years of recruiting by the seat of our pants, it is so great to see this staff have a master plan in place.

No doubt Zach reads the site, but can tell you without a doubt his information is a result of his relationship with current staff. Agree with your more important point re master plan in building a roster from the ashes.
 
I love the good publicity after the season. How many days until Midnight Madness?
 
Zach did get a lot of this from redmen, but i still applaud him for the article nonetheless.


Getting some 2018 studs makes the most sense, because 2017 is the year our team should have/will have much success. Let's beat the national champs at the garden that year in front of a sold out crowd, that'd be something

Exactly. Why wouldn't Zach read the message board to get the pulse of the fan base? Certainly not a negative.

I agree that he also, clearly, talks directly with staff.

I appreciate Zach's coverage. Gosh, without him, we wouldn't be in the NY press much at all.
 
Everyone wants elite prospects, the guys with five stars next to their names, the one-and-done program-changers.

St. John’s wants them, too. But that is not necessarily the way to go about building sustainable success for a program that has bottomed out, and that is what has been going on for the last year in Queens. It continued this past week, when the Red Storm landed potential impact transfers Marvin Clark Jr. (Michigan State) and Justin Simon (Arizona), players the staff envisions can be difference-makers after sitting out next season, with a combined five years of eligibility left.

The Johnnies liked the idea of bringing in veterans to add to their young nucleus. The right transfers, a veteran Division I coach said, “could accelerate the process.” St. John’s is confident Simon and Clark will blossom in Queens, not just because of their talent, but also because of the desire to be pushed and the leadership qualities they possess.

“Those two guys were exceptional in all areas, I thought,” St. John’s coach Chris Mullin said in a phone interview.

This week, there was a worry within the fan base St. John’s is prioritizing transfers over high school prospects. Some questioned why the program would leave only one open scholarship for next year with such a strong 2017 class locally, headed by top-10 prospects Mohamed Bamba of Harlem and Hamidou Diallo of Queens.

St. John’s will continue to recruit locally and will track both all summer, but it should be noted Bamba and Diallo don’t attend high school in New York City. St. John’s will have to beat out the likes of Kentucky and Duke for their services. It landed the best true New Yorker this year, four-star guard Shamorie Ponds of Brooklyn, along with junior college star Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. If or when St. John’s becomes a consistent winner, then it can expect to land blue-chippers.

“That’s the way it is, and that’s the way it should be,” Mullin said.

Furthermore, for all the attention a one-and-done type brings, just look at Marquette and LSU, which landed Henry Ellenson and Ben Simmons, respectively, last year. Neither team even made the NIT this season.

The St. John’s staff, moreover, feels confident it can bring in a blockbuster 2018 group, another strong class locally led by highly ranked Hudson Catholic (N.J.) guard duo Luther Muhammad and Jahvon Quinerly and Roselle (N.J.) Catholic forward Naz Reid.

St. John’s always will be involved in the transfer market because of assistant Matt Abdelmassih. There were transfers who have listed St. John’s that the program wasn’t even recruiting, just because of how active the assistant coach is when it comes to transfers. For those questioning the aggressive nature of recruiting at the junior college level and taking transfers, go look at some of St. John’s best seasons. The 1984-85 Final Four team was led by Mullin and junior college transfer Walter Berry. That team also had Notre Dame transfer Ron Rowan, who played a big part on the Johnnies’ 1985-86 team that went 31-5.

“The balance is important,” Mullin said.

Last year, St. John’s brought in five freshmen. Next season, it will have two more. There will be two junior college transfers and as many as three transfers. By 2017, if everyone remains in the program, the roster — comprised of local players and international ones, high school prospects and transfers — will feature two seniors, six juniors and five sophomores. That’s called balance. That’s called even scholarship distribution. St. John’s hasn’t seen such well-thought-out recruiting planning in a long time.

“If it proves to be successful in two to three years, you’ll see it used as a potential blueprint for future high-major rebuilding jobs,” 247Sports.com national recruiting analyst Andrew Slater said. “It is a calculated gamble, but one that can potentially fast forward the rebuilding process at St. John’s.”
http://nypost.com/2016/04/22/why-st-johns-controversial-transfers-can-accelerate-rebuild/

2 non-original thoughts: First, after reading this can there be any doubt that Zach gathers his info, and gets his read on the fan base, in large part from Redmen.com? Second, after years of recruiting by the seat of our pants, it is so great to see this staff have a master plan in place.

No doubt Zach reads the site, but can tell you without a doubt his information is a result of his relationship with current staff. Agree with your more important point re master plan in building a roster from the ashes.

Certainly did not mean that as a knock on Zach, who's always got his ear to the ground and who's info we all appreciate. By "info" I meant more of the pulse and feedback of the fan base. It was meant as a testament to Redmen.com.
 
" By 2017, if everyone remains in the program, the roster — comprised of local players and international ones, high school prospects and transfers — will feature two seniors, six juniors and five sophomores. That’s called balance. That’s called even scholarship distribution. "

I have no problem with Zach and appreciate his coverage, furthermore I love the way we are recruiting, but that is not "even scholarship distribution" in the least.
 
Isn't that count by grade level off ?

Notes by '17, would be 2 sr, 6 jr, 5 sophs which is full 13 ships, but we have one left if Livingston comes and by '17 he's gone so we'd potentially have an unknown year in '17, could be frosh or anything else... think it's hard to say what that 13th ship would be
 
" By 2017, if everyone remains in the program, the roster — comprised of local players and international ones, high school prospects and transfers — will feature two seniors, six juniors and five sophomores. That’s called balance. That’s called even scholarship distribution. "

I have no problem with Zach and appreciate his coverage, furthermore I love the way we are recruiting, but that is not "even scholarship distribution" in the least.

I enjoy your posts Amase
But our classes do not need to be 25/25/25/25

2/6/5 (and freshman?) seems to be a lot more balanced then we've been in a long time!
Aristotle is smiling up there somewhere - his "golden mean"...
the best to you
 
I'm hoping to read 1 more transfer article by Zach after next weekend which would make me very happy
 
I'm hoping to read 1 more transfer article by Zach after next weekend which would make me very happy

But MJ we are for the most part already very happy, agree? Already very happy, agree?

For me personally out of the 2 transfers and potentially 3rd Livingston the one I'd be most looking forward to is Livingston since he can play next year. Doesnt mean I'm not happy with the other 2 since 2017 tailed off but rooting for SJU lately seems to take years off of my life and I think Livingston could really have an impact for us next year.

And he got tased twice and took it like a man so I want that toughness
 
Does the staff have any graduate transfer options, in the event Livingston doesn't work out?

Doesn't seem so, but I don't think we will need one.
 
Does the staff have any graduate transfer options, in the event Livingston doesn't work out?

Doesn't seem so, but I don't think we will need one.
Slice looks happy in your new avi but don't know if it is because all is well, the blond next to him or that it's just because he is stuffing his face with a good meal. :)
 
Does the staff have any graduate transfer options, in the event Livingston doesn't work out?

Doesn't seem so, but I don't think we will need one.
Slice looks happy in your new avi but don't know if it is because all is well, the blond next to him or that it's just because he is stuffing his face with a good meal. :)

2 & 3 :)
 
" By 2017, if everyone remains in the program, the roster — comprised of local players and international ones, high school prospects and transfers — will feature two seniors, six juniors and five sophomores. That’s called balance. That’s called even scholarship distribution. "

I have no problem with Zach and appreciate his coverage, furthermore I love the way we are recruiting, but that is not "even scholarship distribution" in the least.

I enjoy your posts Amase
But our classes do not need to be 25/25/25/25

2/6/5 (and freshman?) seems to be a lot more balanced then we've been in a long time!
Aristotle is smiling up there somewhere - his "golden mean"...
the best to you

Thanks ss&g that feeing is mutual. But remember that 6/5/2 adds up to 13 ships which is full allotment for 4 class's not 3.
 
" By 2017, if everyone remains in the program, the roster — comprised of local players and international ones, high school prospects and transfers — will feature two seniors, six juniors and five sophomores. That’s called balance. That’s called even scholarship distribution. "

I have no problem with Zach and appreciate his coverage, furthermore I love the way we are recruiting, but that is not "even scholarship distribution" in the least.

I enjoy your posts Amase
But our classes do not need to be 25/25/25/25

2/6/5 (and freshman?) seems to be a lot more balanced then we've been in a long time!
Aristotle is smiling up there somewhere - his "golden mean"...
the best to you

Thanks ss&g that feeing is mutual. But remember that 6/5/2 adds up to 13 ships which is full allotment for 4 class's not 3.


Yes but odds are one or two of the 6/5/2 would not remain for their respective full tenure
Have a nice night! :)
 
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