Why UConn can do, St. John's can not do

UConn is the national champion.

St. John's and UConn are long time local rival in Big East. We know very well about UConn. Why UConn can do, but St. John's can not do?
Answer is very simple. It is all about the ability of School's AD and Coach.
 
UConn is the national champion.

St. John's and UConn are long time local rival in Big East. We know very well about UConn. Why UConn can do, but St. John's can not do?
Answer is very simple. It is all about the ability of School's AD and Coach.

I think alot of it also is having that one player that can truly carry an entire team on his back. They had that one special player this year in Napier, and back in 2011 with Kemba.

When was the last time we had a player like that? And not a great player by our standards, but a great player nationally too.
 
uconn has won four of the last 16 ncaa tournaments.
their program is in another universe than ours.

they have great facilities, all americans and national titles

we have Carnesecca arena, first round big east tournament exits, and we are trying to convince phil greene not to transfer.

it is comparing day and night
 
uconn has won four of the last 16 ncaa tournaments.
their program is in another universe than ours.

they have great facilities, all americans and national titles

we have Carnesecca arena, first round big east tournament exits, and we are trying to convince phil greene not to transfer.

it is comparing day and night

Sadly yes.
 
There budget is also immense and they've had an excellent coach and a stable program for the last 25 years. Once you win the national championship you're going to get a crack at the very best players if you keep your coach. Kevin Ollie then hit the ground running when he got his shot and he'll be able to keep it going.
 
Good question but uconn is an unfair comparison. They have 2x as many titles as any other team in the last 16 years, they are a public school and they have a D1 football team.

Better comparison is why we can't be Villanova? Or Butler (though not this year) or Gonzaga, etc.
 
There budget is also immense and they've had an excellent coach and a stable program for the last 25 years. Once you win the national championship you're going to get a crack at the very best players if you keep your coach. Kevin Ollie then hit the ground running when he got his shot and he'll be able to keep it going.

Exactly. And with a championship now under his belt, it doesn't matter whether Ollie can recruit or not. Top HS players will be coming to him.

Seems like some programs just keep getting better and better and other programs are stuck in a downward spiral, for what seems like forever.
 
Also don't forget another thing they have that we don't, fan support. The whole state gets behind the team.

As pointed out, their on campus facilities are light years ahead of ours. We can't compete with their budget.

Finally, when it comes to recruiting, they have a large number of NBA players to tap back into to help seal the deal with any recruit. We don't have any.
 
We have that player right now. But don't have the coach who can keep or put the pieces around him.

That was my point. I get it that no one can do it on their own, and everyone needs some help. And as good as Harrison is, he definitely needs that support around him.


But I was talking about a player who can lead the team on his own....a player that makes everyone else around him better. A kid that defenses can prepare for all they want, but he is still gonna get his.
 
Perhaps we should just concentrate on becoming relevant again & don't worry about UConn.
 
Its not about players...technically Lav recruits would compare to most of UConn best recruiting classes. Its what Calhoun did with those kids.
 
Also don't forget another thing they have that we don't, fan support. The whole state gets behind the team.

As pointed out, their on campus facilities are light years ahead of ours. We can't compete with their budget.

Finally, when it comes to recruiting, they have a large number of NBA players to tap back into to help seal the deal with any recruit. We don't have any.

If we had 4 championships in the last 16 years the garden would be sold out every night
 
Good question but uconn is an unfair comparison. They have 2x as many titles as any other team in the last 16 years, they are a public school and they have a D1 football team.

Better comparison is why we can't be Villanova? Or Butler (though not this year) or Gonzaga, etc.

I studied at St. John's in the 1980's. Those era, St. John's was domination UConn, even Syracuse. Jim Calhoun became the head coach at UConn in 1986. After UConn landed Jim Calhoun, UConn started challenging National team. Jim Calhoun made it.

For fan support... I remember that I couldn't buy ticket for St. John's game, because tickets were sold out early. And I also remember that most of St. John's game were broadcasted by ESPN (there were no ESPN2, ESPN3.. in 1980s).

In the 1980s, St, John's was selected as top 4th winning percentage team and most winning team (top 4 are Kentucky, Kansas, Duke and St, John's). St. John's was Top 4 team in any basketball tradition at that time.
 
This thread is the perfect example of why moderators get a raw deal. Not one mod even suggested deleting or merging a redundant, uninformed, nails to a chalkboard worthy, and agitating (by design of course) thread like this one because it breaks no site rules.

Threads like this however do break balls.
 
Good question but uconn is an unfair comparison. They have 2x as many titles as any other team in the last 16 years, they are a public school and they have a D1 football team.

Better comparison is why we can't be Villanova? Or Butler (though not this year) or Gonzaga, etc.

Please do not bring Villanova into this. We already have Otis who flogs our senses with Villanova cheer.
 
Also don't forget another thing they have that we don't, fan support. The whole state gets behind the team.

As pointed out, their on campus facilities are light years ahead of ours. We can't compete with their budget.

Finally, when it comes to recruiting, they have a large number of NBA players to tap back into to help seal the deal with any recruit. We don't have any.

If we had 4 championships in the last 16 years the garden would be sold out every night

It's not all of it, but that's a huge part of it Jack. There's no doubting that we don't have the large, passionate following that other schools do. Small and direct comparison, if the BET were moved to Chicago, and we were a Top 15 team, I don't think SJU would have 8K fans and take over the arena the way Creighton did this year.

That said, there are very few teams (college or professional) that are immune to attendance being down when the team is down. And that is the biggest reason our attendance has been as poor as it has been. We haven't just been down for a few years, we've been mostly awful for the last 15 years with plenty of drama surrounding the program. I'm a die hard, and even I wonder sometimes why I spend the time and money I do on this team (and the answer always is I love this team and college hoops, and sports is a great diversion in life, it's really not that serious).

And if I'm thinking that - as I'm sure many, many others in the same boat have - what is the above average or casual fan thinking? I'll tell you what they think, because I have friends who are big sports fans, don't have a D1 college allegiance and, when we are good, living in NYC, are interested in attending a lot of our games: they think we are a borderline laughing stock, where the results by March rarely meet the hype they heard about in October, with glimpses of relevance inbetween. Difficult to argue with that.

But I still don't buy the "SJU has weak fan support". Yes, fan support has been mostly atrocious for the last 15 years. But again, look at the team performance on and off the court! You're asking people to follow that? Even in our few years of success, we've refuted that notion roundly. In 99-00, we played Syracuse in the Garden on a Saturday night and UConn two days later on Monday. We were Top 25 and so were both of them. We won both, Cuse coming down to the wire, and we ran UConn out of the building. The Garden was shaking both nights. More recently, we know what it was like for the Duke, UConn, and Pitt games in 10-11. That same year you couldn't move on Senior Night against USF...in Carnesecca.

Imagine if we ever put together 3 straight years of those kind of performances? Then we'd be capitalizing on what we have that a lot of other more traditional college fan bases do not - New York City. Guys like my friends are coming to 5 games a year, people are bringing their clients to big games, and SJU fans besides the guys willing to sit through all the losing come back. Attendance at our games is a borderline sleeping giant, we just need to win and win consistently.
 
Also don't forget another thing they have that we don't, fan support. The whole state gets behind the team.

As pointed out, their on campus facilities are light years ahead of ours. We can't compete with their budget.

Finally, when it comes to recruiting, they have a large number of NBA players to tap back into to help seal the deal with any recruit. We don't have any.

If we had 4 championships in the last 16 years the garden would be sold out every night

Disagree. Having lived in CT and gone to UConn, I can speak to this. Connecticut has no pro sports teams, so literally the whole state rallies around the team. I already see people jumping on the bandwagon this morning. Sure, we'd have that effect if we were good, but many people in NY don't care about sports, or have other rooting interests, or came here for work and are fans of another team. Even during our magical run during Hardy's senior year, our attendance and fan support wasn't very impressive. UConn has a fan base who will travel and fill up opposing team's arena, similar to Syracuse.
 
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