Wheeler

[monte]

Wheeler was new to the program that had a big turnover.  The coaching staff had to learn the newbie’s skills first hand and teach his system to the NEW team.  At times the improvement seems like a glacially slow pace.

For a while there was no improvement, then he went from zero to a hundred faster then any player I've ever seen. "Meteoric" is a good word to describe his ascent.  

 

[beast of the east]

Wheeler was new to the program that had a big turnover.  The coaching staff had to learn the newbie’s skills first hand and teach his system to the NEW team.  At times the improvement seems like a glacially slow pace.

For a while there was no improvement, then he went from zero to a hundred faster then any player I've ever seen. "Meteoric" is a good word to describe his ascent.  

Let's just be realistic in that know he is in a groove like he hasn't been likely since HS.   He's feeling it, and while I have every confidence that he is a big asset who will remain in the starting lineup all season and likely next, I'm not expecting this level of performance will be forever.   This is a mini Johnny Lin streak.

But playing out this dream, I'd love to see Wheeler, Champ, and Posh be good for 55-60 points plus for a stretch. 

 

[Johnny Rapper]

It’s nice that we have a coaching staff that many deem professional or to applaud the development of Wheeler. But if you are going to give credit to the staff for Wheeler's development, are you also going to credit the staff with the less then stellar results of Wusu, Smith, Coburn and Champ, all who had more successful seasons last year. And please let’s stop with the “their competition is better this year” nonsense. These players did not fare well with a weak OOC schedule  that was weaker then many of the teams they faced last season. 

While it’s nice to use the term professional staff, it’s all about the product which has been far less then stellar to date. And with Anderson’s mantra of “my teams come on later in the year”, if that holds true we may never make the Dance. 

 

[NCJohnnie]

Wheeler showed athleticism and pretty good passing skills from the start and actually played decently well in 3 of our first 4 games. But he was prone to making mistakes, didn't rebound consistently and coach had a quick hook with him for whatever reason; in any event it wound up working out well in the long run. I was always high on Wheeler & Coburn but didn't appreciate Coburn's ball handling limitations at first.   

 

[jr49]

every player who has tried has and will get better with mike.

 

[monte]

Wheeler was new to the program that had a big turnover.  The coaching staff had to learn the newbie’s skills first hand and teach his system to the NEW team.  At times the improvement seems like a glacially slow pace.

For a while there was no improvement, then he went from zero to a hundred faster then any player I've ever seen. "Meteoric" is a good word to describe his ascent.  

Let's just be realistic in that know he is in a groove like he hasn't been likely since HS.   He's feeling it, and while I have every confidence that he is a big asset who will remain in the starting lineup all season and likely next, I'm not expecting this level of performance will be forever.   This is a mini Johnny Lin streak.

But playing out this dream, I'd love to see Wheeler, Champ, and Posh be good for 55-60 points plus for a stretch. 

Huh? On another thread you said Wheeler "is developing in to a star". I can't keep up any more  lol 

 

[paultzman]

As I recall early in season Aaron was yanked by CMA a few times due to defensive lapses. Good to see his development on that end as well as obvious offensive productivity improvement. In face of much team disappointment this season to date, this has been a refreshing positive. 

 

[beast of the east]

Wheeler was new to the program that had a big turnover.  The coaching staff had to learn the newbie’s skills first hand and teach his system to the NEW team.  At times the improvement seems like a glacially slow pace.

For a while there was no improvement, then he went from zero to a hundred faster then any player I've ever seen. "Meteoric" is a good word to describe his ascent.  

Let's just be realistic in that know he is in a groove like he hasn't been likely since HS.   He's feeling it, and while I have every confidence that he is a big asset who will remain in the starting lineup all season and likely next, I'm not expecting this level of performance will be forever.   This is a mini Johnny Lin streak.

But playing out this dream, I'd love to see Wheeler, Champ, and Posh be good for 55-60 points plus for a stretch. 

Huh? On another thread you said Wheeler "is developing in to a star". I can't keep up any more  lol 

Thank you for being attentive to my posts. I actually posted developing into a start. Then realized my error and tried to decide in starter or star was what I was thinking. So I changed it to star. In either case he's got a ways to go to become a butterfly, but he's closer to that than Caterpillar.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

My feed said that Monte had posted on the Wheeler thread and I just had to look because I wouldn't want to miss the big mea culpa scene.  But sadly this wasn't it. /media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png/media/kunena/emoticons/devil.png

In all fairness what took so long for the light to go on ?
You cant have it both ways lawman. 
The first half a season his play was poor, very underwhelming and this is from someone who said he would be very good at SJU, that CMA's system was perfect for him and that he would thrive both offensively and defensively with his length and skill set. 
He was our biggest disappointment until conference play started. Thank g d something clicked and his play the other night exceeded all of our wildest expectations and we all hope his recent play continues, lord knows we need it.
However, no one should be taking credit for his turnaround as we are talking about a senior playing under a head coach with 20 years of head coaching experience. It should never have taken 8 months of Wheeler and CMA working together for them to be on the same page and to figure out his role. Had they clicked earlier on we beat both Indiana and Pitt, have a much higher NET and ranking and are part of the discussion.   

North, with all due respect you talk about 8 months for CMA to get wheeler going as if it’s an egregious mishandling. Matt Painter couldn’t get that job done in 5 years.

 

[Knight]

Wasn’t Wheeler getting great praise in the preseason by Jon Rothstein?

 

[beast of the east]

All I gotta say is Covid better end soon.

 

[redmannorth]

My feed said that Monte had posted on the Wheeler thread and I just had to look because I wouldn't want to miss the big mea culpa scene.  But sadly this wasn't it. /media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png/media/kunena/emoticons/devil.png

In all fairness what took so long for the light to go on ?
You cant have it both ways lawman. 
The first half a season his play was poor, very underwhelming and this is from someone who said he would be very good at SJU, that CMA's system was perfect for him and that he would thrive both offensively and defensively with his length and skill set. 
He was our biggest disappointment until conference play started. Thank g d something clicked and his play the other night exceeded all of our wildest expectations and we all hope his recent play continues, lord knows we need it.
However, no one should be taking credit for his turnaround as we are talking about a senior playing under a head coach with 20 years of head coaching experience. It should never have taken 8 months of Wheeler and CMA working together for them to be on the same page and to figure out his role. Had they clicked earlier on we beat both Indiana and Pitt, have a much higher NET and ranking and are part of the discussion.   

North, with all due respect you talk about 8 months for CMA to get wheeler going as if it’s an egregious mishandling. Matt Painter couldn’t get that job done in 5 years.

As I said from day 1 he was in the wrong system at Purdue, not at all suited to his skill set. CMAs system is perfect for Wheeler and the last game demonstrates that. Whether Painter had 3 or 5 years is irrespective , 1 situation was with a freshman while we are the very last stop on the line if he didn’t succeed. If Wheeler wanted to play and thrive he had to listen and conform and I reiterate it should never have taken 8 months together for Wheeler to understand and fulfill his role. What happened under Painter doesn’t matter at SJU. 
but I do respect your diplomatic posting style. 
thank you. 

 

[bamafan]

Big Wheel keep on turnin
Proud Aaron keep on burnin
Rollin , rollin, rollin ...
(That's all I got) /media/kunena/emoticons/grin.png

 

[NCJohnnie]

Only redmen.com can turn what should be a feel good story on a late bloomer into an oblique criticism of both coach and player...and the beat goes on. 

 

[Section3]

He’s been twice the player I thought he could be in BE play. To me the 3’s are just a bonus that could come back down to earth anytime. It’s the easy baskets he’s been getting inside that excite me the most. 

And a few key blocked shots at critical points in a number of games

 

[Section3]

Big Wheel keep on turnin
Proud Aaron keep on burnin
Rollin , rollin, rollin ...
(That's all I got) /media/kunena/emoticons/grin.png

and pretty good too!

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

redmannorth post=456795

North, with all due respect you talk about 8 months for CMA to get wheeler going as if it’s an egregious mishandling. Matt Painter couldn’t get that job done in 5 years.

As I said from day 1 he was in the wrong system at Purdue, not at all suited to his skill set. CMAs system is perfect for Wheeler and the last game demonstrates that. Whether Painter had 3 or 5 years is irrespective , 1 situation was with a freshman while we are the very last stop on the line if he didn’t succeed. If Wheeler wanted to play and thrive he had to listen and conform and I reiterate it should never have taken 8 months together for Wheeler to understand and fulfill his role. What happened under Painter doesn’t matter at SJU. 
but I do respect your diplomatic posting style. 
thank you. 

Again, please do tell how long it should have taken with superior coaching. One month? Five games? Ten practices? 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

He’s been twice the player I thought he could be in BE play. To me the 3’s are just a bonus that could come back down to earth anytime. It’s the easy baskets he’s been getting inside that excite me the most. 

And a few key blocked shots at critical points in a number of games

Very true. So far in conference he’s been the best of both Earlington and Moore out there. If he can keep it up I still believe the pieces are there to make a run. Posh and Champ health permitting.

 

[beast of the east]

All I know that watching my kids play hs and aau ball a coach showing confidence in a kid goes a very long way - further than system or role he is asked to play, not that those aren't important.

Wheeler is playing with tons of confidence and it what I love about college basketball.

For years we complained and said name one player who got markedly better over a 2-4 year career here.  We were hard pressed to come up with a decent list.

No we are in Mike Anderson's 3rd year and it's easier to say who has improved than who has not.

To me, this is almost irrefutable.   But everyone sees a different game.

 

[Johnny Rapper]

This is a great comment by Wheeler, as he left the press conference, to Coach Anderson.

"Coach, I don't know how you keep your calm coach - you are so good with every question being negative."

Players are so aware of the s**tstorm of unwarranted negativity tossed at Coach, likely never experienced to this level in his stops at Missouri and Arkansas.

He bares the weight of decades of failures and “almosts.”

Poor coach Anderson having to tolerate such negativity for a team and staff who has underachieved greatly. You would think he was making millions of dollars….wait