What Other Fans Are Saying About SJ

[quote="Ray Morgan" post=404954]Funny how a differential of 4 points over 2 games changes everyone's outlook. If not for Cole against St. Peter's and Williams ability to draw the fouls in the last minutes of the BC game, the BYU fans will say how st. John's can't hold leads and will be an easy win. Many posters would have already proclaimed the season over.

Most teams don't have a sufficient enough talent edge to play for 35 minutes and still win by 30. There will be an end game to play, and whoever does it best most often wins. There are some exceptions, but the end game is decided by the team that keeps its cool and handles the pressure of the moment. The 2 close wins so far should have taught the team more than any blowout victory.[/quote]
Agree re: the learning aspect...teams that know how to close out recognize when momentum may be changing and, hence, when to ensure that you get a high % shot or a foul. Made free throws have a way of dampening the spirit of a team looking to make a run. This where Posh will be big with his ability to penetrate and either finish, draw a foul or pass. Key is not forcing it (this is where the learning will be key).

With that said, without benefit of re-watching the game, I don’t recall us falling into the trap of milking the clock and forcing a shot late in shot clock. This was a common occurrence last year. Last night seemed more like carelessness vs. tightness. i think the former is more easily addressed.
 
If you want to gage other fan bases, take a look at Seton Hall's board right now. Typically they have separate threads about our games because they are very interested in how our team looks. It was heightened during the Mullin years because they could go nuts at the attention he got when they were the better program going to dances.

It's taken a whole new turn this year because of Posh. They have multiple active threads about him specifically since the Hall recruited him for a long time before we landed the kid.
 
[quote="Making Plays" post=405046][quote="QueensBall" post=404921]I'm on a text chain with 2 buddies who are Georgetown diehards and last night during the first half one of them texted me, "You can have Jordan Riley back if you let us have Posh Alexander."

I just responded, "No deal."

B)[/quote]

I said this in another thread, we now see why Jordan Riley's dad wanted no parts in his son coming to St. John's as long as Posh is here. For some reason he think his son is a PG and apparently Ewing told him he'd give him a shot there, which from seeing where Georgetown is headed he may end up starting at PG for them next year, they are really struggling.[/quote]

If Riley is playing Pg for them, they will struggle mightily. He’s not a Pg in any form from what I’ve seen.was re-watching some YouTube videos when I stumbled upon this interview. I’m not even sure the kids knows where Georgetown is from this one, so makes me feel better about him choosing them.gonna guess his dad was running the ship.

 
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SHU Fans on Posh:

"Guess he just wouldn't fit our system ha ha. This gonna be a 4 yr pain in our ass."

"Posh could have and would have been able to bail out our offense quite often with his talent."
 
To be honest, there have been a lot of bright spots so far. In any 3 game stretch where you are 3-0, some guys will play above expectations, some below, some at.

We play hard all the time. There have been lapses, and CMA is more than aware and will try to correct. Even a first team All-American PG wouldn't like bringing the ball up against constant pressure we put on. Our staff knows we have a long way to go to be the kind of team we can be.

Without a preseason of D2/D3 competition to get the jitters out, we may stumble before we get our footing. It's to be expected, though we can run the table one game at a time.

Like most of us, I am excited to get to the Big East schedule underway. Within 5 games we will know what are prospects are likely to be, even if we have good reason to expect we improve along the way.

I don't really care what other fans are saying.
 
Maybe Posh will be the source of other teams getting to experience Lenehan syndrome which plagued the Johnnies for years.
 
[quote="Moose" post=405043][quote="MarkRedman" post=405039]We got some love from Sean Farnham on ESPN tonight when the talking heads were discussing the Big East.

They seemed to agree that Nova, Creighton and Yukon are likely to be the top three teams but Farnham made a point of stating how impressed he has been with St John's starting the season with 3 consecutive wins.

On behalf of Johnnies fans everywhere, I thank you, Sean.[/quote]

Another one who played for Lavin and Lavin still has a soft spot for SJU and it shows in his former players like Farnham and Crispin when they speak.[/quote]

I am thrilled with the 3 wins, but "impressed" is not exactly the right word. It isn't as though any of our opponents are Michigan State, or that we dominated in any of the games (other than for a stretch here and there) or that we played a complete game even once.

We may get there, but let's pump the brakes just a little. (I'm also not ready to build a statute of Posh just yet).
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=405128][quote="Moose" post=405043][quote="MarkRedman" post=405039]We got some love from Sean Farnham on ESPN tonight when the talking heads were discussing the Big East.

They seemed to agree that Nova, Creighton and Yukon are likely to be the top three teams but Farnham made a point of stating how impressed he has been with St John's starting the season with 3 consecutive wins.

On behalf of Johnnies fans everywhere, I thank you, Sean.[/quote]

Another one who played for Lavin and Lavin still has a soft spot for SJU and it shows in his former players like Farnham and Crispin when they speak.[/quote]

I am thrilled with the 3 wins, but "impressed" is not exactly the right word. It isn't as though any of our opponents are Michigan State, or that we dominated in any of the games (other than for a stretch here and there) or that we played a complete game even once.

We may get there, but let's pump the brakes just a little. (I'm also not ready to build a statute of Posh just yet).[/quote]

Too late! My Posh statue made out of clay is almost finished!
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=405128][quote="Moose" post=405043][quote="MarkRedman" post=405039]We got some love from Sean Farnham on ESPN tonight when the talking heads were discussing the Big East.

They seemed to agree that Nova, Creighton and Yukon are likely to be the top three teams but Farnham made a point of stating how impressed he has been with St John's starting the season with 3 consecutive wins.

On behalf of Johnnies fans everywhere, I thank you, Sean.[/quote]

Another one who played for Lavin and Lavin still has a soft spot for SJU and it shows in his former players like Farnham and Crispin when they speak.[/quote]

I am thrilled with the 3 wins, but "impressed" is not exactly the right word. It isn't as though any of our opponents are Michigan State, or that we dominated in any of the games (other than for a stretch here and there) or that we played a complete game even once.

We may get there, but let's pump the brakes just a little. (I'm also not ready to build a statute of Posh just yet).[/quote]. Agree . Posh has been as advertised and more but , he’s still a Rookie . I’m sure Coach had a word or ten about the Windmill Dunk that went Awry and cost 2, points we might have needed as we collapsed in the last 2 minutes . We also had 3 Guys foul out including Cole , who we could have used in the final stretch . Still , we played well in spurts vs LaSalle and BC . Not as well as against a good MAAC team in St Peters . Champanie and Cole will be the 2 best shooters on the team . The others will be more get me to the Rim types . That’s not a Criticism . Williams and Earlington are streaky shooters which we will need once the BE season starts . Posh can’t be left open either but , his game is to the hoop .
 
Yeah, I'm thrilled with Posh but certainly 3 games is not enough to project a career. I will say that (assuming there's no outside the box concerns like injuries, grades, etc god forbid) I think he appears to have a pretty high floor. Right now the two things he needs to focus on are cutting down his turnovers and becoming a more consistent outside shooter. And he's not a bad 3pt shooter. He's got the mechanics and gets hot. Just needs the consistency. He was especially scary in the first half of the BC game because he hit those two long 3's and they really didn't know what to do with him at that point.

This is why if Posh works out, getting a dynamic PG will be our quickest shortcut in the rebuild. You can't play off them because they'll make you pay (Dunn and Rutherford didn't have this. We hope Posh can be this) but if you play up on him he'll blow by you (Dunn has this and Posh has this as well as crazy finishing strength) and then once he's in the lane because of the passing ability his teammates don't just watch, they stay active because they know this guy rewards them when they follow the play (Posh has this, Dunn doesn't have the awareness, Ponds had the ability but not always the mindset to pass) We were a nightmare in the half court last season. Any success we had was due to defense, grit and pace. This completely upgrades the half court offense without Mike Anderson having to improve his own half-court offensive coaching acumen (not that that was the issue.) We're just much harder to guard with a multi-dimensional pg. Everyone is.

The announcer made a Carsen Edwards comparison during the game. That would be amazing. It won't happen this season. He's bound to have a couple games where has 4 points and 6 turnovers or whatever. But if he can become a good shooter and half of these turnovers are freshman mistakes he could get there. Why not? The defense, penetration and passing certainly isn't a stretch.

Additionally, Champagnie isn't going to score 29 pts a game. He's an unknown as far as how good he's going to be. Do we have a solid starter here or do we have one of the top guys in the Big East? I don't know. One game. All I'm saying is that every once in awhile things do work out. Fortunes change. If we hit on both of these guys, that's the sort of once every couple of decades thing that changes the fortunes of a program. Because now we're talking about hitting multiple jackpots at the same time with players on similar timelines.

So maybe none of this works out. This could all implode. Posh can't shoot, he's a turnover machine for his entire time here. Champagnie is inconsistent. We finish 0-20 in the Big East this season. Coach decides to hang it up and live on the beach. Everyone transfers and Caraher plays 40 minutes a game next year. Who knows? But right now we're 3-0 and we have a couple of exciting, young players who haven't given us a reason not to be optimistic about them yet and this may be my last chance to write a far too long, positive post before BYU blows us out by 40 so I'm gonna get one in.
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=405137]Yeah, I'm thrilled with Posh but certainly 3 games is not enough to project a career. I will say that (assuming there's no outside the box concerns like injuries, grades, etc god forbid) I think he appears to have a pretty high floor. Right now the two things he needs to focus on are cutting down his turnovers and becoming a more consistent outside shooter. And he's not a bad 3pt shooter. He's got the mechanics and gets hot. Just needs the consistency. He was especially scary in the first half of the BC game because he hit those two long 3's and they really didn't know what to do with him at that point.

This is why if Posh works out, getting a dynamic PG will be our quickest shortcut in the rebuild. You can't play off them because they'll make you pay (Dunn and Rutherford didn't have this. We hope Posh can be this) but if you play up on him he'll blow by you (Dunn has this and Posh has this as well as crazy finishing strength) and then once he's in the lane because of the passing ability his teammates don't just watch, they stay active because they know this guy rewards them when they follow the play (Posh has this, Dunn doesn't have the awareness, Ponds had the ability but not always the mindset to pass) We were a nightmare in the half court last season. Any success we had was due to defense, grit and pace. This completely upgrades the half court offense without Mike Anderson having to improve his own half-court offensive coaching acumen (not that that was the issue.) We're just much harder to guard with a multi-dimensional pg. Everyone is.

The announcer made a Carsen Edwards comparison during the game. That would be amazing. It won't happen this season. He's bound to have a couple games where has 4 points and 6 turnovers or whatever. But if he can become a good shooter and half of these turnovers are freshman mistakes he could get there. Why not? The defense, penetration and passing certainly isn't a stretch.

Additionally, Champagnie isn't going to score 29 pts a game. He's an unknown as far as how good he's going to be. Do we have a solid starter here or do we have one of the top guys in the Big East? I don't know. One game. All I'm saying is that every once in awhile things do work out. Fortunes change. If we hit on both of these guys, that's the sort of once every couple of decades thing that changes the fortunes of a program. Because now we're talking about hitting multiple jackpots at the same time with players on similar timelines.

So maybe none of this works out. This could all implode. Posh can't shoot, he's a turnover machine for his entire time here. Champagnie is inconsistent. We finish 0-20 in the Big East this season. Coach decides to hang it up and live on the beach. Everyone transfers and Caraher plays 40 minutes a game next year. Who knows? But right now we're 3-0 and we have a couple of exciting, young players who haven't given us a reason not to be optimistic about them yet and this may be my last chance to write a far too long, positive post before BYU blows us out by 40 so I'm gonna get one in.[/quote]

Why do you have to go and ruin a solid stream of happy posts by making sense....
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=405137]

So maybe none of this works out. This could all implode. Posh can't shoot, he's a turnover machine for his entire time here. Champagnie is inconsistent. We finish 0-20 in the Big East this season. Coach decides to [strike]hang it up and live on the beach[/strike] lean and/or sit on the scorer's table. Everyone transfers and Caraher plays 40 minutes a game next year. Who knows? But right now we're 3-0 and we have a couple of exciting, young players who haven't given us a reason not to be optimistic about them yet and this may be my last chance to write a far too long, positive post before BYU blows us out by 40 so I'm gonna get one in.[/quote]

I fixed that for you.
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=405137]

The announcer made a Carsen Edwards comparison during the game.[/quote]

That's not a bad comparison for maybe 2 years from now.
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=405142][quote="QueensBall" post=405137]

The announcer made a Carsen Edwards comparison during the game.[/quote]

That's not a bad comparison for maybe 2 years from now.[/quote]

Aside from their strength and stature I don’t see similar styles at all. Edwards was a scorer first and foremost. He never averaged more than 2.9 assists for a season and he took close to 11 hrees a game his last year at Purdue.
 
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=405151][quote="lawmanfan" post=405142][quote="QueensBall" post=405137]

The announcer made a Carsen Edwards comparison during the game.[/quote]

That's not a bad comparison for maybe 2 years from now.[/quote]

Aside from their strength and stature I don’t see similar styles at all. Edwards was a scorer first and foremost. He never averaged more than 2.9 assists for a season and he took close to 11 hrees a game his last year at Purdue.[/quote]

True - I was thinking short, strong, tough pesky defender at the point. Very different offensive games. And that Posh needs some more development to reach Edwards level
 
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[quote="lawmanfan" post=405128][quote="Moose" post=405043][quote="MarkRedman" post=405039]We got some love from Sean Farnham on ESPN tonight when the talking heads were discussing the Big East.

They seemed to agree that Nova, Creighton and Yukon are likely to be the top three teams but Farnham made a point of stating how impressed he has been with St John's starting the season with 3 consecutive wins.

On behalf of Johnnies fans everywhere, I thank you, Sean.[/quote]

Another one who played for Lavin and Lavin still has a soft spot for SJU and it shows in his former players like Farnham and Crispin when they speak.[/quote]

I am thrilled with the 3 wins, but "impressed" is not exactly the right word. It isn't as though any of our opponents are Michigan State, or that we dominated in any of the games (other than for a stretch here and there) or that we played a complete game even once.

We may get there, but let's pump the brakes just a little. (I'm also not ready to build a statute of Posh just yet).[/quote] stop try9ing to put the kiposh on things
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=405155][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=405151][quote="lawmanfan" post=405142][quote="QueensBall" post=405137]

The announcer made a Carsen Edwards comparison during the game.[/quote]

That's not a bad comparison for maybe 2 years from now.[/quote]

Aside from their strength and stature I don’t see similar styles at all. Edwards was a scorer first and foremost. He never averaged more than 2.9 assists for a season and he took close to 11 hrees a game his last year at Purdue.[/quote]

True - I was thinking short, strong, tough pesky defender at the point. Very different offensive games. And that Posh needs some more development to reach Edwards level[/quote]

Yeah, I'm no Carsen Edwards expert. I basically watched him a few games a year around tournament time. He made sense to me when I thought of size, tenacity and seemingly (although I may just be ignorant about him) no big holes in his game. Perhaps better comps out there and certainly something to grow into even if it is on target.
 
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