What if scenario

3-0 in Charleston would be better for the resume, but beating Michigan would have been better for fan support and excitement.

That blowout loss will hurt attendance and it will take time to heal that that damage. But it’s not insurmountable.
 
Jack Williams said:
He was so awesome. He was the star of the team when I was a student there. My favorite in person performances from him had to be the Marquette game at CA (he murdered them, think he had like 40 that game).

Then the VCU game at Barclays. Talk about putting the team on your back.

What was always so impressive about Shamorie was he really didn't have the quickness and athleticism needed to be a superstar guard. But he was still a superstar anyway off of pure skill and finesse. That kid could get himself a look whenever he wanted.

Maybe I am underrating his athleticism because I am now remembering that steal he had in OT @Georgetown when he just levitated to grab a pass out of thin air
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Jack , I’m glad you are a Ponds fan . I think he was a great player for us during the Mullin years .
And , did not have the Roster to bring us to more glory but, he did get us to the Tourney Play in game . Our last NCAA appearance .

I don’t share you belief that he was slow and not Athletic . He seemed pretty quick to me.. But , we all have our opinions . That steal against G’Town was other worldly .

I think the biggest hurdle for Shamorie going into the Pros was his size . He was barely 6’0” tall and had a relatively small frame . Plus , as a undrafted player it’s very hard to carve out a place on a NBA squad . Champaign has done it but , it’s the exception rather than the rule .
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
I don’t share you belief that he was slow and not Athletic . He seemed pretty quick to me.. But , we all have our opinions . That steal against G’Town was other worldly .

I think the biggest hurdle for Shamorie going into the Pros was his size . He was barely 6’0” tall and had a relatively small frame . Plus , as a undrafted player it’s very hard to carve out a place on a NBA squad . Champaign has done it but , it’s the exception rather than the rule .
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Yea I don't necessarily mean he was slow, he was surely not slow. But for his size, usually to be a dominant guard at that size, you often see college guys like Max Abmas who are small but fly around the court. Shamorie played at his own pace. He didn't blow you away with his speed, but a couple moves and he would have you confused about which way he was going, and then he'd attack relentlessly. I wish he wasn't stuck getting coached by Greg St Jean who walked around campus often and looked no different from the rest of us students LOL
 
FWIW when McDaniel is on that Michigan team can beat just about anyone. And when he’s off he’s very wild and they can lose to anyone. Hopefully they do well for our sake.
 
Eric said:
Just curious what scenario people think is the better scenario.

So we lost to Michigan. Game is done and its time to move on.

We NEED to win in Charleston at least 2 games now and this first one becomes a must win to avoid the loser's bracket route.

But
Would you feel better to lose the Michigan game and go 3-0 in Charleston?
Or would you rather a win vs Michigan and go 2-1 in Charleston?

This is just a what if scenario. We can go 3-0 or 0-3 which would be dare I say I dont know if this site could handle that. Was just curious about the above what if.
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Well we lost the Michigan game, stomped more like it, so the only way to the sting out from that game is to win the tourny in Charlotte.

Just to answer, the Michigan game, first game in msg as sku coach.
 
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Jack Williams said:
Yea I don't necessarily mean he was slow, he was surely not slow. But for his size, usually to be a dominant guard at that size, you often see college guys like Max Abmas who are small but fly around the court. Shamorie played at his own pace. He didn't blow you away with his speed, but a couple moves and he would have you confused about which way he was going, and then he'd attack relentlessly. I wish he wasn't stuck getting coached by Greg St Jean who walked around campus often and looked no different from the rest of us students LOL
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I love Max Abmas. He and the North Texas transfer, Tylor Perry, were my two favorite players in the portal.

Shamorie was one of my favorite Johnnies. His touch was otherworldly. His alley-oops were as good as you’ll ever see. We got robbed with losing Lovett. That crazy little f*ck was so good and him and Ponds would have won games in March.

That’s what makes being a Mets and St. John’s fan so hard. Even when you get the players, something happens.

You get Hatten and then Omar Cook delares for the draft in the 11th hour. You have Erick Barkley and then the NCAA chases him out of college. You have Hatten and land a top 25 ranked Showtime and Ingram and Showtime doesn’t qualify.
 
Mean Gene said:
I think I would have rather had the win against Michigan. That game just meant so much to program in my opinion. Big game against a Big 10 tournament quality team, Pitino’s first game at the Garden, a 14,000+ crowd, that game could have really launched this Pitino era program with a win. To lose the way we did was really disheartening.
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Plenty of teams has went on to have solid-to-great seasons after getting smoked either early in the season or mid-season. I'd be here for another 10 years spitting out those teams if I had to name 'em.

Hell! I can name two in particular regarding St. John's. The '92-'93 and '97-'98 teams, respectively. Neither team did much of anything early in the season before getting their act together early in conference play and parlaying those seasons into NCAA Tournament bids.

Monday night was bad, no doubt. But I've watched sports far, far too long to know a season can either gradually turn around or turn around on a dime. It's not a sprint; it's a marathon. Too early IMO to be disheartened. Concerned? Human nature if you ask me, and understandable after Monday's game. Disheartened? Nah. Talk to me after Charleston or midway through Big East play.
 
Jack Williams said:
He was so awesome. He was the star of the team when I was a student there. My favorite in person performances from him had to be the Marquette game at CA (he murdered them, think he had like 40 that game).

Then the VCU game at Barclays. Talk about putting the team on your back.

What was always so impressive about Shamorie was he really didn't have the quickness and athleticism needed to be a superstar guard. But he was still a superstar anyway off of pure skill and finesse. That kid could get himself a look whenever he wanted.

Maybe I am underrating his athleticism because I am now remembering that steal he had in OT @Georgetown when he just levitated to grab a pass out of thin air
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GREAT player. Wish he had better guidance from coach. Divincenzo, now a pro, couldn’t cover Ponds in college. Ponds routinely ate him up as he did to most.
 
MJDinkins said:
Plenty of teams has went on to have solid-to-great seasons after getting smoked either early in the season or mid-season. I'd be here for another 10 years spitting out those teams if I had to name 'em.

Hell! I can name two in particular regarding St. John's. The '92-'93 and '97-'98 teams, respectively. Neither team did much of anything early in the season before getting their act together early in conference play and parlaying those seasons into NCAA Tournament bids.

Monday night was bad, no doubt. But I've watched sports far, far too long to know a season can either gradually turn around or turn around on a dime. It's not a sprint; it's a marathon. Too early IMO to be disheartened. Concerned? Human nature if you ask me, and understandable after Monday's game. Disheartened? Nah. Talk to me after Charleston or midway through Big East play.
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Maybe it's a cliche', but that's why they are so popular, they hit home !

"It's a learning process," and we have a great teacher.

CASE CLOSED !!!!
 
So I don’t think the Michigan loss was as bad if a loss as it seemed (got smoked on Twitter for saying that). That’s a real good team who for some reason just isn’t ranked yet. It’s also a teaching moment and something Pitino can say “remember that? Don’t do that. Don’t go back there.” Which is something every new team needs. Teams are going to lose games throughout the year and I prefer earlier losses to power conference teams and getting stronger as the year goes on.

Obviously going 3-0 in SC is a big deal because they’ll most likely face Houston and beating a top 10 team is much bigger than losing to Michigan.
 
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