Ulysses Grant

[quote="Chicago Days" post=387890]Yes Monday, and a fitting time being aired on Memorial Day. It's a 6-hour Series....guessing 1 - 2 hour episodes?
Hopefully this will give me a kick in my butt to begin reading the General's Memoirs and the Ronald White Biography of U.S.G., collecting dust on my shelf.[/quote]

“ Chicago, Chicago “
Good for you, a new and endless world of American History - and consider...
1.“Grant” by William S. McFeely
2.“Cigars, Whiskey and Winning” - Leadership Lessons from General Ulysses S. Grant by Al Kaltman ( though I don’t like the somewhat misleading use of whiskey)
3.“Generals in Blue“ ( companion exists Generals in Gray ) by Ezra J. Warner
4.”Memoirs of General Sherman“ 2 Vol.
5.” Personal Memoirs of P.H.Sheridan 2 Vol.
( arguably Sherman and Sheridan were Grant’s closest colleagues - as previously posted, they were pallbearers at his funeral)
6.”Illustrated History of the Civil War” by Ward, Burns and ( Ken ) Burns.

Visits to the Battlefields
Peace be with us!
 
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[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=387969][quote="Chicago Days" post=387890]Yes Monday, and a fitting time being aired on Memorial Day. It's a 6-hour Series....guessing 1 - 2 hour episodes?
Hopefully this will give me a kick in my butt to begin reading the General's Memoirs and the Ronald White Biography of U.S.G., collecting dust on my shelf.[/quote]

“ Chicago, Chicago “
Good for you and consider...
1.“Grant” by William S. McFeely
2.“Cigars, Whiskey and Winning” - Leadership Lessons from General Ulysses S. Grant by Al Kalimantan ( though I don’t like the misleading whiskey)
3.“Generals in Blue“ ( companion exists Generals in Gray ) by Ezra J. Warner
4.”Memoirs of General Sherman“ 2 Vol.
5.” Personal Memoirs of P.H.Sheridan
( arguably Sherman and Sheridan were Grant’s closest colleagues - as previously posted, they were pallbearers at his funeral)
6.”Illustrated History of the Civil War” by Ward, Burbs and ( Ken ) Burns.[/quote]

I'm really impressed with your scholarly prowess.
 
Thanks Beast
For the compliment
I thought the show tonight
Fitting for Memorial Day
was terrific and glad it portrayed Ulysses in a favorable light
He was a deep and talented and caring man.
A man from a humble background who assumes the leadership role in a Great War and then for a great country.
How many of us could master or match that ?
Good night
God bless
 
this weekend to prepare for us grant, i watched the 6 hour history channel's george washington and then the 2 hour jefferson event. the first hour on GW, before the revolution time frame, had many nuggets that were new to me.
i am currently reading jean edward smith's grant bio.
 
I completely enjoyed the first episode of the History Channel’s Grant. I look forward to the remaining two parts!
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Published May. 25, 2020 4:40AM ET
Grant, a History Channel miniseries airing over three nights beginning on Memorial Day (May 25), is an overt—and timely—reclamation project. His reputation having faded over the past century because, as many here assert, the South’s “Lost Cause” rewriting of Civil War history invariably downplayed his accomplishments, Ulysses S. Grant is restored by this informative and entertaining TV documentary to the prototypical modern American hero. Based on Ron Chernow’s critically acclaimed 2017 biography of the same name, it’s a stirring tribute to an individual who embodied America’s finest ideals: hard work, determination, courage, resolve, and belief in democracy and equality for all, no matter the color of their skin.
 
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[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=387978]Thanks Beast
For the compliment
I thought the show tonight
Fitting for Memorial Day
was terrific and glad it portrayed Ulysses in a favorable light
He was a deep and talented and caring man.
A man from a humble background who assumes the leadership role in a Great War and then for a great country.
How many of us could master or match that ?
Good night
God bless[/quote]

I'm curious, since you are a West Point graduate, how they taught u.s. military history, especially for west point graduates. Do you recall?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=387984][quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=387978]Thanks Beast
For the compliment
I thought the show tonight
Fitting for Memorial Day
was terrific and glad it portrayed Ulysses in a favorable light
He was a deep and talented and caring man.
A man from a humble background who assumes the leadership role in a Great War and then for a great country.
How many of us could master or match that ?
Good night
God bless[/quote]

I'm curious, since you are a West Point graduate, how they taught u.s. military history, especially for west point graduates. Do you recall?[/quote]

Each West Point graduate from
Each era would answer this differently
I’m always aware of what I don’t know so as not to feign knowledge
But most semesters we had military history and tactics courses
We used the West Point Atlas of American Wars and the Military History and Atlas of the Napoleonic Wars
Heavy rectangular books - I still have my copies
So in class and out of class experience
During the summer before my senior year I served in a tank battalion in Germany in an old Nazi training ground - there were so few officers as most were going or coming from Vietnam
lessons learned
I’m sure today’s cadets get similar training and then some. The Academy evolves as does life, it is not stagnant though there are some timeless lessons, it seems to me.
Thanks!
PS
Did you enjoy Part 1 of Grant?
What was - for you - the most compelling aspect of it?
 
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Enjoyed watching Part 1 with my wife and son. Interesting to see how determined Grant was to make his way on his own merits rather than depending on largesse of his father-in-law. Ulysses was seemingly a bit of a fish out of water in civilian life but never gave up.
 
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watched episode 1. great battle scenes. episode focused on a battle - shiloh - that was an eye opener for most. in which it was then believed that the war would be long and costly. the pittsburgh landing battle usually does not get the hollywood hype that other battles get.
grant's wife brought 4 slaves into their marriage. the episode only brings up the one freed male slave.
really enjoyed episode 1. taped episode 2 and will watch it today.
 
General (SS&G) have really enjoyed the first two episodes about the life of the Bloody Butcher. ;) :)
 
[quote="bamafan" post=388296]General (SS&G) have really enjoyed the first two episodes about the life of the Bloody Butcher. ;) :)[/quote]


Glad you enjoyed but the term ‘ bloody butcher ‘(?) -
What happened at Shiloh and the Wilderness was, remember, War! Unfortunate though it may be. Many if not most fighting men have a significant distaste for the deadly results of their profession.
Anyway, I am looking forward to tonight part 3.

Here’s the reviews this far:
History’s Grant miniseries has made a bit of history itself. The Memorial Day premiere of the six-hour miniseries, which airs over three consecutive nights, drew 3 million total viewers for its first installment, marking the network’s best non-fiction miniseries launch in Total Viewers in six years, and the No. 2 miniseries launch of the year in all of cable behind ESPN’s The Last Dance, according to Nielsen Media Research. Grant also delivered in key demos, drawing 581,000 in Adults 25-54, and 439,000 in Adults 18-49.

Grant, praised by Deadline’s Dominic Patten in The Show To Watch This Week, chronicles the life of one of the most complex and underappreciated generals and presidents in U.S. history – Ulysses S. Grant. Written by Pulitzer Prize winner Ron Chernow and produced by RadicalMedia and Lionsgate Television, Grant is executive produced by Appian Way’s Leonardo DiCaprio and Jennifer Davisson. Phillip Watson serves as co-executive producer. Jon Kamen, Dave Sirulnick, Justin Wilkes and Fisher Stevens serve as executive producers for RadicalMedia. Ron Chernow, Brian Volk-Weiss and Knute Walker also serve as executive producers. Malcolm Venville serves as director.
 
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As an amateur Civil War historian, I have found the series wonderful. A+
 
[quote="section10" post=388237]watched episode 1. great battle scenes. episode focused on a battle - shiloh - that was an eye opener for most. in which it was then believed that the war would be long and costly. the pittsburgh landing battle usually does not get the hollywood hype that other battles get.
grant's wife brought 4 slaves into their marriage. the episode only brings up the one freed male slave.
really enjoyed episode 1. taped episode 2 and will watch it today.[/quote]

Section
Grant like all of us was not so perfect.
However I am
very fond of Ulysses Grant because imo
1.he was able to care for and be faithful to Julia; he was decent with his kids;
2.he respected all humankind and supported a decent life for all Americans and Native Americans;
3.his skill and prowess with horses and with paint brush in hand;
4.his humility, resilience and guts - he was there with his troops and never shirked danger;
5.He was a forgiving and not a vengeful man;
6.did not support slavery at a time when
it might have been more selfish and lucrative to do so;
7.as w most wars America has been involved in - we are quick to forgive, heal and assist our enemies. imo it was the team of Lincoln AND Grant that allowed the southern soldiers to return home while saving face, arms and horses in hand.

Three scenes that resonated with me were when back at his home he pauses to address the little boy who happened to be his son; when
he was carrying wood to sell in town and one of his former soldiers approaches and asks...and Grant explains he’s learning to deal with poverty; and when the Union forces were providing food to the beleaguered Confederate troops who had just surrendered.

Complicated man and complicated War.
 
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For those like myself who missed the first two episodes, the History Channel is showing all three in a row starting at 5pm today. For those with DirecTV that is channel 269. For all other systems Moose will be glad to let you know what channel.
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=388329][quote="section10" post=388237]watched episode 1. great battle scenes. episode focused on a battle - shiloh - that was an eye opener for most. in which it was then believed that the war would be long and costly. the pittsburgh landing battle usually does not get the hollywood hype that other battles get.
grant's wife brought 4 slaves into their marriage. the episode only brings up the one freed male slave.
really enjoyed episode 1. taped episode 2 and will watch it today.[/quote]

Section
Grant like all of us was not so perfect.
However I am
very fond of Ulysses Grant because imo
1.he was able to care for and be faithful to Julia; he was decent with his kids;
2.he respected all humankind and supported a decent life for all Americans and Native Americans;
3.his skill and prowess with horses and with paint brush in hand;
4.his humility, resilience and guts - he was there with his troops and never shirked danger;
5.He was a forgiving and not a vengeful man;
6.did not support slavery at a time when
it might have been more selfish and lucrative to do so;
7.as w most wars America has been involved in - we are quick to forgive, heal and assist our enemies. imo it was the team of Lincoln AND Grant that allowed the southern soldiers to return home while saving face, arms and horses in hand.

Three scenes that resonated with me were when back at his home he pauses to address the little boy who happened to be his son; when
he was carrying wood to sell in town and one of his former soldiers approaches and asks...and Grant explains he’s learning to deal with poverty; and when the Union forces were providing food to the beleaguered Confederate troops who had just surrendered.

Complicated man and complicated War.[/quote]

In sag harbor this week? Pm me
 
[quote="bamafan" post=388296]General (SS&G) have really enjoyed the first two episodes about the life of the Bloody Butcher. ;) :)[/quote]
In response to your post General, Bloody Butcher is one of the nicknames the documentary says there were for Grant it's not my creation.
 
As a fellow graduate('84), I remember having Military Science 101 immediately after lunch. If the mess hall had served something heavy and the professor droned on a bit, it was sometimes difficult to stay awake. Some cadets referred to the class as Mandatory Sleep. Having said that, I still have my Military History texts though my wife sometimes wonders why I have kept them.

I have dvr'ed the series and look forward to starting it tonight.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=388341][quote="bamafan" post=388296]General (SS&G) have really enjoyed the first two episodes about the life of the Bloody Butcher. ;) :)[/quote]
In response to your post General, Bloody Butcher is one of the nicknames the documentary says there were for Grant it's not my creation.[/quote]

Thanks Bama
Butcher or whatever name, so much killing and wounding of Americans
By
Americans
Very sobering
Much harder and longer than either side imagined
( as with WWI when the Germans and French anticipated a four 4 month war
And had a four 4 year war )

All the best
Look forward to the final episode tonight!
 
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[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=388377][quote="bamafan" post=388341][quote="bamafan" post=388296]General (SS&G) have really enjoyed the first two episodes about the life of the Bloody Butcher. ;) :)[/quote]
In response to your post General, Bloody Butcher is one of the nicknames the documentary says there were for Grant it's not my creation.[/quote]


Butcher or whatever name, so much killing and wounding of Americans
By
Americans
Very sobering
Much harder and longer than either side imagined
( as with WWI when the Germans and French anticipated a four 4 month war
And had a four 4 year war )

All the best
Look forward to the final episode tonight![/quote]

WWI would have been over in four months if the Brits hadn't joined in for their imperialistic reasons. Just like in 1871 in the Franco-Prussian war.
 
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