Top 25 Jobs in College Basketball

[westchesterjoe]

The sad thing is that 25-30 years ago, between 1985-1992ish, you could have justifiably said the St John's job was in the top 10. Certainly easily within the top 25.

Temple? no way.. Nova has had great results over the last 25-30 years and did win the NCAA..

i believe the incompetent management of FH is high on the list of reasons why our Program fell off the radar.It's a disgrace the franchise or ST jOHN'S BRAND was allowed to suffer under Mahoney, Jarvis,excepting the 1 year with Fran's players) and Roberts who has proven he really isn't more than a Assistant Coach, at best. And FH hired him!

This program was run like a candy store when it had potential to be like Nordstroms. But, that ship is gone..

It remains to be seen what Lavin can do.. This is the year tournament results, and no 1 and done in the BE Tourney and Ncaa.

A NIT team would be unacceptable with the players in hand.

 

[salty dog]

It's tough to argue with any teams on this list. Wichita State might be the only exception for me. Private jet, no football, and10,000 fans a game are great, but what recruit will choose the Shockers over a legit ACC, Big 10, or Big East school? They have to find diamonds in the rough, play the JUCO game, and be heavil involved in the transfer circuit.

St. John's is a sleeping giant. If Calipari wasn't nixed by Louie, we would have at least two national championships IMO. There is no telling what that guy could have selling the Big East, NYC, MSG, and the history of the program.

Calipari coming to St. John's is pure fantasy. He wasn't very interested, and even if St. John's convinced him to come here, he would have been out the door long before he brought anything close to a championship here. Calipari to St.
John's was even less of a chance than Lew Alcindor.[/quote

Not true at all. Calipari had agreed through his agent and the Board of Directors had the contract when Looie had a fit.
All parties withdrew at that time, with little going to the media to cause embarrassment.

 

[beast of the east]

It's tough to argue with any teams on this list. Wichita State might be the only exception for me. Private jet, no football, and10,000 fans a game are great, but what recruit will choose the Shockers over a legit ACC, Big 10, or Big East school? They have to find diamonds in the rough, play the JUCO game, and be heavil involved in the transfer circuit.

St. John's is a sleeping giant. If Calipari wasn't nixed by Louie, we would have at least two national championships IMO. There is no telling what that guy could have selling the Big East, NYC, MSG, and the history of the program.

Calipari coming to St. John's is pure fantasy. He wasn't very interested, and even if St. John's convinced him to come here, he would have been out the door long before he brought anything close to a championship here. Calipari to St.
John's was even less of a chance than Lew Alcindor.[/quote

Not true at all. Calipari had agreed through his agent and the Board of Directors had the contract when Looie had a fit.
All parties withdrew at that time, with little going to the media to cause embarrassment.

My recollection was that Pitino told him that the UMASS job was better than coaching at St. John's.

 

[beast of the east]

The reason that story was never believable was that Carnesecca would have been consulted far earlier than a contract tender. While it's true that Carnesecca detested Calipari for good reason, I do not believe this ever got very far, although the papers did report Calipari as a candidate

 

[fun]

My recollection was that Pitino told him that the UMASS job was better than coaching at St. John's.

Calimari became HC at UMass in 1988. Why would he need Pitino to tell him about the benefits of his own job in 1996?

And anyway

HEADLINE: St. John's Hopes Fran Can Turn Things Around
BYLINE: By HAL BOCK, AP Sports Writer
DATELINE: NEW YORK
April 9, 1996, Tuesday

"Fran Fraschilla, the new basketball coach at St. John's University, describes himself as a New York guy who is devoted to his players and his program and expects the same thing in return.

[...]

Other coaches reportedly on Manetta's list included Pat Kennedy of Florida State, Jim Molinari of Bradley, Rick Majerus of Utah and Butch Beard of the New Jersey Nets. There also was a brief overture made to UMass coach John Calipari."


Perhaps you should stop relying on your recollections, they're invariably faulty.

 

[Class of 72]

My recollection was that Pitino told him that the UMASS job was better than coaching at St. John's.

Calimari became HC at UMass in 1988. Why would he need Pitino to tell him about the benefits of his own job in 1996?

And anyway

HEADLINE: St. John's Hopes Fran Can Turn Things Around
BYLINE: By HAL BOCK, AP Sports Writer
DATELINE: NEW YORK
April 9, 1996, Tuesday

"Fran Fraschilla, the new basketball coach at St. John's University, describes himself as a New York guy who is devoted to his players and his program and expects the same thing in return.

[...]

Other coaches reportedly on Manetta's list included Pat Kennedy of Florida State, Jim Molinari of Bradley, Rick Majerus of Utah and Butch Beard of the New Jersey Nets. There also was a brief overture made to UMass coach John Calipari."


Perhaps you should stop relying on your recollections, they're invariably faulty.

There was an invariable connection between Umass, Pitino and Calipari in 1996. My faulty recollection was that Pitino advocated strongly for Cal to stay at Umass which had become a national name in college ball with a new 9,800 basketball arena and national rankings. St. John's, on the other hand, had no practice facility, an already outdated arena, and was in its invariable rebuilding modes.
If Beast was inferring that Pitino STAY at Umass because it was a better job, he was doing so for alma mater. Nothing faulty about that assumption.
P.S. Umass is now nationally ranked.....we are not.

 

[TobinGrad]

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64621444/

Oklahoma st, Wichita st, Oregon and Texas should defiantly not be ahead of St Johns. Oregon, Wichita & Okla st shouldnt even be on this list in fact.
Maryland, Temple, and Texas should all be well below SJU on the list.

I do realize its just a subjective, non official junk article

 

[jr49]

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64621444/

Don't agree with his list at all. We have the history. We are in the media capital. We have the conference play. MSG. NYC. Unless you are looking at one of the Blue Blood programs, St. John's is one of the best jobs out there. If you win here, not even championships just win consistently ( Lou, Ewing, Bernard King, Mullin, David Wright) you will for ever be a hero.

Sorry, but I don't agree with your post at all....

We have the history, yes. But this is a 'what have you done for me lately' world. And our answer is.....not much. Recruits now were not even alive during our great history, and do you think they really care that we were good 30yrs ago anyways? The University of San Fransisco has a great history, probably even better than ours, and you don't see coaches lining up to take over that program.

I would agree that we are in the media capital. But outside of NYC, St. Johns is barely covered. And, with all the social media today, the media capital isn't what it is used to be. In some instances, the media coverage can be a bad thing. The coach is in an environment where every little move or decision he makes is recorded, evaluated, and critiqued by everyone.

As far as conference play? We are in the first year of a new conference, and one that just lost some of its best members. We did replace them with some decent teams, but they aren't on the same level as the ones we lost.

MSG and NYC?? What's the advantage of MSG when there are always other teams (outside of NYC) getting to play there? Nowadays, any coach at any decent program can get a game at MSG if they really want one.

I agree with most of your post except the last part. It's not really just about "getting a game at MSG". It's about playing at MSG for most of your home games, and using that very fact as a recruiting tool with the lure of playing the "World's Most Famous Arena"

Sure, Duke played what three games at MSG? Coach K can't use that as a lure to recruits. Us on the other hand can say we play 8+ games at MSG every year come play at the worlds most famous arena. Playing at MSG is a great recruiting tool IMO

Coach K has the #1 and #4 recruits coming next year. Thats with or without playing playing at MSG. I understand stuff goes on behind the scenes, But would have liked to hear something on the recruiting front regarding the next couple of years. If Coach Steve wins and sends players to the NBA then MSG is a great tool. Without the winning stuff MSG is awful because it looks crappy when empty.

 

[fun]

There was an invariable connection between Umass, Pitino and Calipari in 1996. My faulty recollection was that Pitino advocated strongly for Cal to stay at Umass which had become a national name in college ball with a new 9,800 basketball arena and national rankings.

You have a recollection of the Kentucky coach's advice to the Umass coach from 17 years ago. Perhaps you read Pitino's tweets to JC it on your I-pad. Unfortunately I find nothing in the Lexis database that would refresh your memory: no articles between 1994 and 1997 about Pitino saying anything about Saint John's to Calipari. Anyway, his strong advocacy didn't take: Clamchowder left UM for a new gig that same year, about which he sought advice from, wait for it, Rick Pitino. As reported in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, March 30, 1996, "Calipari did seek advice from his mentor, Rick Pitino, before deciding to take the Nets' coaching job. "I've talked to him twice since the season ended," Calipari said yesterday. "The second time, we spoke specifically about the job, and I asked him the pluses and minuses." I'm Not buying it.

 

[Class of 72]

There was an invariable connection between Umass, Pitino and Calipari in 1996. My faulty recollection was that Pitino advocated strongly for Cal to stay at Umass which had become a national name in college ball with a new 9,800 basketball arena and national rankings.

You have a recollection of the Kentucky coach's advice to the Umass coach from 17 years ago. Perhaps you read Pitino's tweets to JC it on your I-pad. Unfortunately I find nothing in the Lexis database that would refresh your memory: no articles between 1994 and 1997 about Pitino saying anything about Saint John's to Calipari. Anyway, his strong advocacy didn't take: Clamchowder left UM for a new gig that same year, about which he sought advice from, wait for it, Rick Pitino. As reported in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, March 30, 1996, "Calipari did seek advice from his mentor, Rick Pitino, before deciding to take the Nets' coaching job. "I've talked to him twice since the season ended," Calipari said yesterday. "The second time, we spoke specifically about the job, and I asked him the pluses and minuses." I'm Not buying it.

Seventeen years? Seems like yesterday! There were plenty of rumors (at St. John's) among the faithful, some real, some fiction. Some folks simply were connecting the dots between Cal's refusal to talk to SJ and his relationship to Pitino in seeking advice. We may never know. What is known is that at the time Cal was the hottest underpaid college coach with a final four team. His base at Umass was $183,000 plus incentives. Within weeks of the final four his pay went to $5 million annually with the Nets who may have been talking to him all along. He earned $15 million and did not have to work the three years in his contract to earn it, as did his mentor Pitino, because he flopped as an NBA coach.

 

[salty dog]

The reason that story was never believable was that Carnesecca would have been consulted far earlier than a contract tender. While it's true that Carnesecca detested Calipari for good reason, I do not believe this ever got very far, although the papers did report Calipari as a candidate

Two completely different times. The Looie fit was before the Roberts hire, Very reliable sources verify this. This was prior to Calipari taking the Memphis job. .

 

[1and1sju]

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64621444/

Oklahoma st, Wichita st, Oregon and Texas should defiantly not be ahead of St Johns. Oregon, Wichita & Okla st shouldnt even be on this list in fact.
Maryland, Temple, and Texas should all be well below SJU on the list.

I do realize its just a subjective, non official junk article

What makes a job "good"? The pay, the facilities, chance to win

I agree with you about some of those schools but I think Texas, Maryland, Oregon offer a whole lot. Oklahoma st too for that matter. Lots of resources at those big schools.

 

[beast of the east]

The reason that story was never believable was that Carnesecca would have been consulted far earlier than a contract tender. While it's true that Carnesecca detested Calipari for good reason, I do not believe this ever got very far, although the papers did report Calipari as a candidate

Two completely different times. The Looie fit was before the Roberts hire, Very reliable sources verify this. This was prior to Calipari taking the Memphis job. .

I'm not referring to the Roberts hire, but back when Calipari was the UMASS coach. Thanks. Supposedly, Looie's issue with Calipari goes back to when Cal was a Pitt assistant.

 

[salty dog]

The reason that story was never believable was that Carnesecca would have been consulted far earlier than a contract tender. While it's true that Carnesecca detested Calipari for good reason, I do not believe this ever got very far, although the papers did report Calipari as a candidate

Two completely different times. The Looie fit was before the Roberts hire, Very reliable sources verify this. This was prior to Calipari taking the Memphis job. .

I'm not referring to the Roberts hire, but back when Calipari was the UMASS coach. Thanks. Supposedly, Looie's issue
with Calipari goes back to when Cal was a Pitt assistant.

You're right it does go back to that time but it did not matter until they were about to offer him the job,
then Looie went nuts. Roberts came into the picture after that.

 

[L J S A]

If anyone knows Maven or son, go talk to them regarding Cal. If I remember correctly, Black Stallion posted on one of the boards that Cal was in his living room and he point blank asked him if he would have taken the St. John's job. Cal said yes.