Time To Stop The Insanity

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Ray Morgan

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I'm not talking about the play on the court, but the banter on the board. The team stunk up the joint against Georgetown, and blew about 4 games they had a chance to win. They will be an abomination a few more times this season, and maybe next as well. We are all frustrated, which leads to venting. I fully expect posts calling for Lavin's resignation to star popping up if, I mean when, the losing continues. Yes, this is one ugly team to watch.

What is insane are posters giving up on the program. Claiming they will never watch this bunch of over hyped, under performing recruits again. Promising to throw their season tickets in the East River. First off, I don't believe any of it. But, if it is true, where is your loyalty to the program? How many of us sat in Shea Stadium from 1964 through 1966, rooting for Ron Hunt to stick his shoulder out just a little to yet again be hit by a pitch. I know I did. Then Seaver came in 1967 I believe, and Koosman in 1968, and suddenly things were looking up. It sure made 1969 feel even more special, knowing we were there for the hard times, too. How many of us froze our behinds off when the Jets moved into Shea, watching more ineptness. I sat through one December game and ordered a hot chocolate. The temp was about 8 degrees, with the swirling winds at Shea bringing the wind chill well below zero. The fans passed the hot chocolate down the aisle, seat to seat. I was at the end of the aisle. When I got the hot chocolate, it was as cold as a chocolate shake. I think Namath got picked off five times that game. But did I say I am throwing away my season tickets? Well no, because I didn't have season tickets. But if I did, I would have been at the next home game, but this time with a thermos full of hot chocolate. It was nice to stick with the team through the 1968-69 season, wasn't it?

The point is, you are either a fan or not. If the product sucks, you root like crazy and hope for better next year. Yes, you can bitch and moan, because that's what fans do. And you hold onto your season tickets, or regret it when Coach Lavin gets that one player who turns it all around. It will happen, and it could be a year or two away.
 
Well said. Lets remember these are college kids, some if not all, who probably read this site. Nobody likes where we are at and no one likes losing, but I guess there are those fans who will give up and those who are all in, no matter what. I know which one I am.



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Nobody likes where we are at and no one likes losing
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That's the thing.... Some posters (only a handful) feel if you aren't bitching and moaning at every turn, then you're fine with losing. Not the case at all.

I believe the majority of the posters here have said something negatively, in regards to our losing. To go on and on and on and on about it ends up being overkill. Just my opinion.
 
Agree Ray. We were picked to finished 10th in the Big East pre-season poll by a panel of impartial(in theory) experts. Right now we're tied for 11th. If anyone over-hyped this team, it was the members of this board. We've had some bad losses but we're probably not to far off from where we ought to be.Much as I have long felt that Lavin's Xs and Os leave a lot to be desired, IMO he's the right man to run the program. We're not there yet, but we're headed in the right direction.
 
They said they were very embarrassed after the Georgetown game right? So if that`s the case then what do you try to do?
You get your ass out on the court really pissed off and give an 110% effort, and show everybody that what happened on Saturday really isn`t you.

I don`t really care about wins or losses right now. All I`m looking for is to see where their heart and head is at. I want to see what they got . I want intensity for 40minutes

So if any of the players are reading this. Lets see what you got.
 
Calling for lavin's resignation is lunancy. This man in the short time he has been at SJU has taken us form total obscurity, to a brand that is seen every where, and he hasn't won yet!!! We all need to demonstrate a little bit of patience. The winning will come!!!
 
Only reason I'd give up my tickets is because if my financial adviser saw I could get the same seats if not better for cheaper on a game by game basis (like I probably can) while the admin screws me and others who pay our money up front site unseen, then keeping my season tickets would be lunacy.
 
I agree with these posters....and also agree about EFFORT !! If you lose, and lose with heart, thats ok. Free throws....well thats just frustrating to watch....clank clank clank.....come on fellas....Play angry, yes thats a good motto.....OK, with that said....lets look at the positives. We have arguably the best sophmore in the BE, and one of the best in the country, we have one of the best BE Freshman in Sampson ( although inconsistent-he received Frosh player of the week multiple times ), and we have the ALL Time leader in St Johns History in Block shots....We have some good here boys. Im sick of hearing all this nonsense about Lav coaching. He has been around the game his whole life. His dad was a coach and he has a ton of experience, not to mention that Coach Keady has more experience than 99% of all college coaches. Ultimitely, its on the players shoulders, they need to execute. They can do it, we've seen them play some good hoops. Time for a players only meeting to gel together as a family and put together a 110% effort. Pass, shoot, rebound, make free throws, play tough defense. Sounds easy enough, but, as fans WE NEED to support these kids. As far as im concerned, if the effort is there, im there....who am i kidding, i'll bethere anyway..........GO JOHNNIES !!!!!! PS- A big upset here next game will make all of us forget that last loss.
 
I'm not talking about the play on the court, but the banter on the board. The team stunk up the joint against Georgetown, and blew about 4 games they had a chance to win. They will be an abomination a few more times this season, and maybe next as well. We are all frustrated, which leads to venting. I fully expect posts calling for Lavin's resignation to star popping up if, I mean when, the losing continues. Yes, this is one ugly team to watch.

What is insane are posters giving up on the program. Claiming they will never watch this bunch of over hyped, under performing recruits again. Promising to throw their season tickets in the East River. First off, I don't believe any of it. But, if it is true, where is your loyalty to the program? How many of us sat in Shea Stadium from 1964 through 1966, rooting for Ron Hunt to stick his shoulder out just a little to yet again be hit by a pitch. I know I did. Then Seaver came in 1967 I believe, and Koosman in 1968, and suddenly things were looking up. It sure made 1969 feel even more special, knowing we were there for the hard times, too. How many of us froze our behinds off when the Jets moved into Shea, watching more ineptness. I sat through one December game and ordered a hot chocolate. The temp was about 8 degrees, with the swirling winds at Shea bringing the wind chill well below zero. The fans passed the hot chocolate down the aisle, seat to seat. I was at the end of the aisle. When I got the hot chocolate, it was as cold as a chocolate shake. I think Namath got picked off five times that game. But did I say I am throwing away my season tickets? Well no, because I didn't have season tickets. But if I did, I would have been at the next home game, but this time with a thermos full of hot chocolate. It was nice to stick with the team through the 1968-69 season, wasn't it?

The point is, you are either a fan or not. If the product sucks, you root like crazy and hope for better next year. Yes, you can bitch and moan, because that's what fans do. And you hold onto your season tickets, or regret it when Coach Lavin gets that one player who turns it all around. It will happen, and it could be a year or two away.
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Great post

It's tough to keep things in perspective sometimes. I love this team and I want them to be successful. I want students (both past and future) to be proud of the program.
 
listen we all think we know as much or more than lavin and staff but the bottome line is, WE really
are not as versed as he or his staff!! there is now way that lavin doesnt see the problemes that this team
has, hopefully they get fixed and quick!!!
 
listen we all think we know as much or more than lavin and staff but the bottome line is, WE really
are not as versed as he or his staff!! there is now way that lavin doesnt see the problemes that this team
has, hopefully they get fixed and quick!!!
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Spoken like a true guru.
 
listen we all think we know as much or more than lavin and staff but the bottome line is, WE really
are not as versed as he or his staff!! there is now way that lavin doesnt see the problemes that this team
has, hopefully they get fixed and quick!!!
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I beg to differ as I keep seeing him run Phil Greene out there and into the ground.
 
A lot of us like venting. The truth is we have had 1 good year in the last 10 and as tough as it has been we are still rooting for the redmen.
 
I think this is one of the best threads to run on this board in a very long time......
 
I don't know. I think the guys are putting out and lack the overall roster strength to play BE teams even up. When I see DLo fighting for shots and faltering at the line I know the competition has our number. Karr isn't ready for prime time and neither is CO. There are no changes being tried because the cupboard is bare. Our only chances to improve are nailed to the bench or lost in Dominican space. College hoops runs on hope and right now we seem fresh out of that. I kind of wish we could press the fast forward button and go back to swooning over the big men and tough guards we need to get into the race for real next year. Patience is fine but it isn't going to get us where we want to go.
 
i keep saying but brick by brick!!! our program is moving in the right direction despite our growing pains!!
keep the faith guys i know its hard but we will all be praising this PROGRAM in the not so distant future!!!
 
I rarely post but have always regularly read this message board since it went online many years ago, I am a die hard SJU fan and proud alumni and time permitting obtain season tickets every now and then.

Although I am not happy where the program stands today, I am happy that we have a coach and administration that knows winning is important to the school. I think this vision was lacking over the past few years but the school decided to step up to the plate and spend the $$$ to make things happen, the reality is that it all takes TIME.

I do not doubt Lavin's passion to turn this program into a top 25 team and I am not going to critique him on his coaching abilities as it is always easier for us fans to dictate from the stands what a coach should be doing. I think we all should step back into reality and look at the facts, the team is young and so is our coach who was also out of the picture for a few years while working as an analyst.

This is not a Hollywood movie were one change is made a savior comes in and there is a happy and winning ending, this is reality, our program needs TIME to rebound from years of bad decision making and hands-off approach from the administration. We obviously are not there yet but I think we should not be so quick to ask for anyone to be fired right now and need to give it a reasonable amount of time before holding any one person accountable. We are in a much better place today with Lavin and his staff than without him.
 
i keep saying but brick by brick!!! our program is moving in the right direction despite our growing pains!!
keep the faith guys i know its hard but we will all be praising this PROGRAM in the not so distant future!!!
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Is Darrick Wood coming to save the day?
 
Totally agree with this thread! Coach Lavin will get it done. He is a winner. Have some faith.

If not, maybe we can get Whoopi Goldberg to come down from the cheap seats and coach for us? Too bad Malik couldn't come along with her and play. :(
 
listen we all think we know as much or more than lavin and staff but the bottome line is, WE really
are not as versed as he or his staff!! there is now way that lavin doesnt see the problemes that this team
has, hopefully they get fixed and quick!!!
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I beg to differ as I keep seeing him run Phil Greene out there and into the ground.
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You're talking about the Phil Greene that played 16 mins to Branch's 29 on Saturday? He's had the nagging hip since October so I can't see how that'st the only reason.
 
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