Time to man up

[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318949]All I'm saying is let's be careful about getting too high after last night. It was much needed...I've always known we could play like that which is why it's so frustrating we dug ourselves into a hole and are still climbing out. After miserable years to start off the Mullin era and last year's 0-11 streak, winning 1 game after losing 4/5 is not going to quell everything, sorry. The team has lots of proving to do for us fans and for the rest of the country to see us as nationally relevant again. The odd thing is that we seem to turn our passion on and off game to game. We need to be playing with that intensity every game...if we did we'd be comfortably in 3rd probably 6-3 at least. Let's take one game at a time and really go after Duke and Marquette...even if we lose both I'll be satisfied if we play hard and keep it respectable. That would put us at 4-7 worst case, then on the homestand we need to beat PC and Butler. That would put us at 6-7 going into the Nova game with a chance to get another top 15 win and get back to .500 at 7-7. That would put us at 19-7 (7-7) and we'd be sitting much prettier.[/quote]

So what you are saying is lets not get too excited when we blow out a BE team on the road or go 12-0. But firing Mullin after every loss is cool.
 
It’s making the Dance or bust, but I’d be very disappointed to make it and be ‘1 ‘n done’ OUT in the first game. Would like 1 win in the Dance following 20 years in the desert.
I get our thin bench and 100% dependence on our 5 starters is our Achilles heel, but 1 win in the NCAA would be a credible foothold to build on, tell our story, and attract solid HS AND transfer talent.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=319010][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318949]All I'm saying is let's be careful about getting too high after last night. It was much needed...I've always known we could play like that which is why it's so frustrating we dug ourselves into a hole and are still climbing out. After miserable years to start off the Mullin era and last year's 0-11 streak, winning 1 game after losing 4/5 is not going to quell everything, sorry. The team has lots of proving to do for us fans and for the rest of the country to see us as nationally relevant again. The odd thing is that we seem to turn our passion on and off game to game. We need to be playing with that intensity every game...if we did we'd be comfortably in 3rd probably 6-3 at least. Let's take one game at a time and really go after Duke and Marquette...even if we lose both I'll be satisfied if we play hard and keep it respectable. That would put us at 4-7 worst case, then on the homestand we need to beat PC and Butler. That would put us at 6-7 going into the Nova game with a chance to get another top 15 win and get back to .500 at 7-7. That would put us at 19-7 (7-7) and we'd be sitting much prettier.[/quote]

So what you are saying is lets not get too excited when we blow out a BE team on the road or go 12-0. But firing Mullin after every loss is cool.[/quote]

You really think it's after every loss? If we were something like 6-3 or better where we should be, you'd only see happy customers including me. Reality is we just lost 4/5 and finally got 1 win. It's the same as us winning 4/5 and someone else freaks out over 1 loss in that span. You shouldn't go too far after 1 win either. I guess all these articles questioning Mullin and whether or not we can make the tourney after a rough patch are fake news amirite? All the pundits are wrong and you, sir are right! 1 win does not take away the stretch of losing 4/5, it merely stems the bleeding. Just by looking at your posts you'd think we were 8-1.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=319031]It’s making the Dance or bust, but I’d be very disappointed to make it and be ‘1 ‘n done’ OUT in the first game. Would like 1 win in the Dance following 20 years in the desert.
I get our thin bench and 100% dependence on our 5 starters is our Achilles heel, but 1 win in the NCAA would be a credible foothold to build on, tell our story, and attract solid HS AND transfer talent.[/quote]

Lofty goal
I became a fan in 1982. In all that time ST John's won at least 1 NCAA tourney game only 10 times.

Since 82 team is 17-17 in the tourney.
Louie 12-10
Mahoney 1-1
Fran 0-1
Jarvis 4-3
Norm LOL
Lavin 0-2
 
This team should make the NCAA's. This year is our best shot for the foreseeable future. Very sad, because during my undergrad years, not making the tournament was considered an unsuccessful season. Back in those days, we were #4 in all time wins. Lord knows where we stand right now.

If we miss, but are reasonably close, I can live with keeping CM provided that changes are made to his staff. If he were to resist, i would replace him

If we tank and aren't even close, it would be time to move on.

Let's hope we keep the positive momentum going from last night, we make the NCAA's , we make a run in the tournament and not only do we keep CM, we give him a contract extension

Nothing would make me happier!!!
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=319038][quote="Chicago Days" post=319031]It’s making the Dance or bust, but I’d be very disappointed to make it and be ‘1 ‘n done’ OUT in the first game. Would like 1 win in the Dance following 20 years in the desert.
I get our thin bench and 100% dependence on our 5 starters is our Achilles heel, but 1 win in the NCAA would be a credible foothold to build on, tell our story, and attract solid HS AND transfer talent.[/quote]

Lofty goal
I became a fan in 1982. In all that time ST John's won at least 1 NCAA tourney game only 10 times.

Since 82 team is 17-17 in the tourney.
Louie 12-10
Mahoney 1-1
Fran 0-1
Jarvis 4-3
Norm LOL
Lavin 0-2[/quote]

I know our ‘history’ all too well. Would just like to see us get to the Dance, break that 0-fer schneid, win 1 & start a ‘streak’.
 
Our guys weren't even alive for half that history. It has no bearing on what we do this March.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=319038][quote="Chicago Days" post=319031]It’s making the Dance or bust, but I’d be very disappointed to make it and be ‘1 ‘n done’ OUT in the first game. Would like 1 win in the Dance following 20 years in the desert.
I get our thin bench and 100% dependence on our 5 starters is our Achilles heel, but 1 win in the NCAA would be a credible foothold to build on, tell our story, and attract solid HS AND transfer talent.[/quote]

Lofty goal
I became a fan in 1982. In all that time ST John's won at least 1 NCAA tourney game only 10 times.

Since 82 team is 17-17 in the tourney.
Louie 12-10
Mahoney 1-1
Fran 0-1
Jarvis 4-3
Norm LOL
Lavin 0-2[/quote]
Norm LOL now that's funny!
 
He needs to make the NCAA. If he makes the NIT, the only way he should come back is with a assistant coach. Either way I think Richmond needs to go to deepen the coaching talent.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=319046]Our guys weren't even alive for half that history. It has no bearing on what we do this March.[/quote]

My point was I was. Getting there enough for me. Anything after that is just a cherry
 
[quote="we are sju" post=319068][quote="L J S A" post=319046]Our guys weren't even alive for half that history. It has no bearing on what we do this March.[/quote]

My point was I was. Getting there enough for me. Anything after that is just a cherry[/quote]

I agree it’s necessary to make the Dance this year.
But, to me, it’s equally key to win at least 1 game in the NCAAs to quiet th negative vibes from competitors on the recruiting trail.
In my view, it would would be our toehold back to relevancy.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=319070][quote="we are sju" post=319068][quote="L J S A" post=319046]Our guys weren't even alive for half that history. It has no bearing on what we do this March.[/quote]

My point was I was. Getting there enough for me. Anything after that is just a cherry[/quote]

I agree it’s necessary to make the Dance this year.
But, to me, it’s equally key to win at least 1 game in the NCAAs to quiet th negative vibes from competitors on the recruiting trail.
In my view, it would would be our toehold back to relevancy.[/quote]

I agree; for there to be no "Fire Mullin" chants he would have to make the tourney and win one game, anything less he deserves to be fired ASAP. These guys are getting paid decent money to provide a good product and so far have come up very short. Tired of excuses, You are your record and right now it is a losing one.
 
NCAA Tournament or bust.

I would say a win in tournament because we have the talent but I am being realistic with my choice.
 
The NCAA Tournament First Round is a one game sample against a great team, so while a loss would be disappointing I wouldn't be too upset about it. Anything can happen during those games (#1 UVA last year), and I know the effort will be there no matter who we play. With this talented team, I just want a shot to do some damage in March.

The regular season, however, is 32+ games. We need to make the NCAA given that much of an opportunity.
 
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[quote="Roamer" post=319077][quote="Chicago Days" post=319070][quote="we are sju" post=319068][quote="L J S A" post=319046]Our guys weren't even alive for half that history. It has no bearing on what we do this March.[/quote]

My point was I was. Getting there enough for me. Anything after that is just a cherry[/quote]

I agree it’s necessary to make the Dance this year.
But, to me, it’s equally key to win at least 1 game in the NCAAs to quiet th negative vibes from competitors on the recruiting trail.
In my view, it would would be our toehold back to relevancy.[/quote]

I agree; for there to be no "Fire Mullin" chants he would have to make the tourney and win one game, anything less he deserves to be fired ASAP. These guys are getting paid decent money to provide a good product and so far have come up very short. Tired of excuses, You are your record and right now it is a losing one.[/quote]

The minimum, to me, is making the Dance.
But I think it’s obvious that a ‘1 and OUT’ would be dissatisfying to most avid fans and would be dismissed by pundits and used by our competitors against us.
Make the Dance and win...1.
 
St. John's fans can't go to crowded movie theatres...it's too hard for them not to yell "fire!"

Boom. Roasted.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=319068][quote="L J S A" post=319046]Our guys weren't even alive for half that history. It has no bearing on what we do this March.[/quote]

My point was I was. Getting there enough for me. Anything after that is just a cherry[/quote]

We all know STJ's sordid history in the dance but over the course of 25 years from 76-2000, not exactly ancient times to most of us, these are the stats:

Total Times in the Tourney - 19, 76% (plus 1 NIT championship)
Total Times winning at least one game - 12, 48%
Number of times getting out of the first weekend (Sweet 16) - 5, 20%
Elite 8s - 4, 16%
Final Fours -1

So yeah, getting overly confident is silly but let's not pretend it's impossible.

Long story short, no program worth it's socks should be satisfied with just making it to the dance, even this one.

I don't care if or when any coach gets fired, I just want to win. If Mullin gets the program there he proves me wrong. That would be nice. Especially since it's now been 9 years since the school started paying market rates for coaches. Let's see some real results.
 
Two more full seasons of evaluation. Then a decision can be made.
Yes, six full reasons.
That's how much of a disaster this team was after 20+ years of terrible management.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=319079]NCAA Tournament or bust.

I would say a win in tournament because we have the talent but I am being realistic with my choice.[/quote]

To me NCAA isn't good enough, been there 2 since 01, both times 1 and done.
Screw that, time to get that first win since 01.
What I want is to get to the second weekdend, after that, everything we achieve more would be betters on top.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=318997][quote="rawdognyc" post=318982]If I had to choose between the Duke or Marquette game, I'd want the Marquette game. It gives us a sweep against a top 10 team, plus improves our conference record. I'm more concerned about our BE record at this juncture.[/quote]

For sure our Big East record is more important. A sweep of Marquette is certainly extremely valuable for us. That said, a win against Duke gives the tournament committee even more to think about due to the Duke mystique. Both are important at this juncture. Just keep winning...[/quote]

Would be nice to be the last OOC opponent to win at Duke times 2!
 
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