The Sim Issue

MugCostanza

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There's been a fair amount of discussion about Sim lately so figured to just make a thread on it similar to the Kadary thread.

Sim is obviously a key part of this team as either a starter or the first guard off the bench. He's getting 25-30 mins a game against our top opponents and consistently getting 8-12 shots a game. On the surface his overall offensive numbers seem to be decent but if you take a deeper dive you'll see there are some serious issues here.

Out of our 19 games so far, 7 are considered tier A or B games per KenPom's system. Those games are
Tier A: Baylor, Georgia, @Creighton, @Xavier
Tier B: New Mexico, @Providence, Villanova

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As you can see in the numbers above, there is a significant drop in his metrics when playing against the stiffer competition. For those that may not be numbers nerds, an Offensive Rating in the low 80s is horrifically bad and you don't need to be a numbers nerd to see that those shooting percentages are awful.

An argument could be made that 7 games is not a large enough sample size, but I would disagree and also add that in two other games falling just outside the tier B category (vButler, vGeorgetown) he's a combined 3/16 with 2 Asts and 3 TOs.

The eye test matches the numbers too. He's looked like he doesn't belong in these high level games. The looks he's been getting have generally been decent to good looks too. His numbers aren't being artificially deflated by having to force shots up late in the shot clock as he is not the one with the ball in those situations.

Defensively, he grades out fairly well on the sites that have metrics that track defensive impact. Individual defensive metrics are always tough to trust but I think he's been good on that end which is why Pitino is willing to give him big minutes while his offensive numbers are lagging. That, and there aren't a ton of reliable options behind him.

Sim can be the difference between this team being good and being really good. I think we're in a very good position to be where we're at recordwise with a ~28mpg guy playing this poorly offensively. That said, 10 of our final 12 regular season games fall in the Tier A/B category and we need Sim to pick it up offensively in a big way in those games if we want to really be in the mix to win this league's regular season championship. His current numbers against good teams is just untenable and will sink us if it continues.
 
There's been a fair amount of discussion about Sim lately so figured to just make a thread on it similar to the Kadary thread.

Sim is obviously a key part of this team as either a starter or the first guard off the bench. He's getting 25-30 mins a game against our top opponents and consistently getting 8-12 shots a game. On the surface his overall offensive numbers seem to be decent but if you take a deeper dive you'll see there are some serious issues here.

Out of our 19 games so far, 7 are considered tier A or B games per KenPom's system. Those games are
Tier A: Baylor, Georgia, @Creighton, @Xavier
Tier B: New Mexico, @Providence, Villanova

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As you can see in the numbers above, there is a significant drop in his metrics when playing against the stiffer competition. For those that may not be numbers nerds, an Offensive Rating in the low 80s is horrifically bad and you don't need to be a numbers nerd to see that those shooting percentages are awful.

An argument could be made that 7 games is not a large enough sample size, but I would disagree and also add that in two other games falling just outside the tier B category (vButler, vGeorgetown) he's a combined 3/16 with 2 Asts and 3 TOs.

The eye test matches the numbers too. He's looked like he doesn't belong in these high level games. The looks he's been getting have generally been decent to good looks too. His numbers aren't being artificially deflated by having to force shots up late in the shot clock as he is not the one with the ball in those situations.

Defensively, he grades out fairly well on the sites that have metrics that track defensive impact. Individual defensive metrics are always tough to trust but I think he's been good on that end which is why Pitino is willing to give him big minutes while his offensive numbers are lagging. That, and there aren't a ton of reliable options behind him.

Sim can be the difference between this team being good and being really good. I think we're in a very good position to be where we're at recordwise with a ~28mpg guy playing this poorly offensively. That said, 10 of our final 12 regular season games fall in the Tier A/B category and we need Sim to pick it up offensively in a big way in those games if we want to really be in the mix to win this league's regular season championship. His current numbers against good teams is just untenable and will sink us if it continues.
I think he can shoot. Not sure why he is struggling so much. I think its more in his head then the competition but maybe they are connected. Not sure if/when it will get better and that is concerning. Only option seems to be to give Glover some of his minutes but that may not make us any better either.
 
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His current numbers against good teams is just untenable and will sink us if it continues.
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You’re right, his numbers are his numbers, and they’re underwhelming, but it always feels as though a breakout game is just coming.

Shot is so pretty, his mechanics are sound, and his athleticism is superior, especially on drives through traffic and jams.

He’s a second year kid playing against older, stronger men. Rick sees what Rick sees, and I’d bet that his patience is going to be rewarded. Sim will be something special.
 
His defense looks a lot better to my eyes than the beginning of the season. Those shots will start dropping IMO his shot looks too good for them not to. Plus he’s hit big balll shots in multiple games

Sometimes when others start hitting theirs it gets kinda contagious
 
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Well of.coursw you're likely to play worse when playing tougher competition. Nature of the beast.

7 league games, too small a sample size. Tide will rise and fall. We are 6-1 in conference. If everyone's nimbers were great we'd be winning by 35 every night.

What I look at is that when he is on the court, and Smith or Richmond sitting, doesn't appear that we have dropped down in talent, and I think our opponent feels that.

Last night the annoumcers in setting the stage rambled on about what a bad shooting team we were, where we ranked among conference and D1 in 3 point shooting. Then bang bang bang RJ nails three.bombs, we shoot 6-13 for the half, and Seton Hall is getting a beatdown.

Wilcher can get points any number of ways. Im not.concerned in the least.

We won again, and I'm confident he will have his share of good.games before the seasonis over.
 
If Sim was a top 150 recruit and decommitted from St. Bonaventure, what would our expectations actually be?

We see flashes of brilliance and boneheaded play. Definitely much better than last year. It's a good sign that he has come up big in big moments. But I'm not really sure we should be penciling him in as Big East caliber starter or the "future of the program" (which is what Pitino said). I just think some of the discussion about Wilcher is more hypothetical than anything we've consistently seen.

That said, by all accounts, he's an A++ kid and I absolutely want him back next year. The portal is a crapshoot, and his familiarity with the staff/scheme will help him even more next year. But we have to keep expectations a little lower imo
 
If Sim was a top 150 recruit and decommitted from St. Bonaventure, what would our expectations actually be?

We see flashes of brilliance and boneheaded play. Definitely much better than last year. It's a good sign that he has come up big in big moments. But I'm not really sure we should be penciling him in as Big East caliber starter or the "future of the program" (which is what Pitino said). I just think some of the discussion about Wilcher is more hypothetical than anything we've consistently seen.

That said, by all accounts, he's an A++ kid and I absolutely want him back next year. The portal is a crapshoot, and his familiarity with the staff/scheme will help him even more next year. But we have to keep expectations a little lower imo
Meh I don’t really care what his or anybody else’s recruiting ranking was at this point. The point is he’s a guy playing 30ish mins per game for this team and he is still playing like a Freshman offensively. His form looks good and it looks like he’s playing with confidence but I think that’s mostly because he’s been playing exclusively off the ball this year. Last year he looked most timid when he was trying to run the offense.

As for the future, he’s definitely a kid I’d want back next year because the potential is obvious. I just wish he’d start hitting that potential on offense sooner rather than later. This team could take another big leap if he starts putting it together against quality teams
 
Meh I don’t really care what his or anybody else’s recruiting ranking was at this point. The point is he’s a guy playing 30ish mins per game for this team and he is still playing like a Freshman offensively. His form looks good and it looks like he’s playing with confidence but I think that’s mostly because he’s been playing exclusively off the ball this year. Last year he looked most timid when he was trying to run the offense.

As for the future, he’s definitely a kid I’d want back next year because the potential is obvious. I just wish he’d start hitting that potential on offense sooner rather than later. This team could take another big leap if he starts putting it together against quality teams
He's not a point guard and much better off as the off-ball guard. I don't think that ever changes unless he goes to another level as a ball handler. I'm not really sure I agree that his issue is playing like a freshman offensively. His main issues are 1) he's missing shots he has to start hitting, 2) he's letting missed shots impact his defense and decision making, and 3) he makes really dumb fouls/decisions on defense. While the defense has improved, he makes unacceptable mistakes. I also think he gets caught in the moment and overly emotional. He's got to stop talking to refs and getting in arguments.

The good thing is, his best game was against Xavier. It's certainly in him to do it.
 
He's not a point guard and much better off as the off-ball guard. I don't think that ever changes unless he goes to another level as a ball handler. I'm not really sure I agree that his issue is playing like a freshman offensively. His main issues are 1) he's missing shots he has to start hitting, 2) he's letting missed shots impact his defense and decision making, and 3) he makes really dumb fouls/decisions on defense. While the defense has improved, he makes unacceptable mistakes. I also think he gets caught in the moment and overly emotional. He's got to stop talking to refs and getting in arguments.

The good thing is, his best game was against Xavier. It's certainly in him to do it.
Sounds like what both of you are saying is Sim is not yet functioning as a BE dependable, consistent big minutes player, but hoping he can kick it up a gear soon.

However, not sure what the alternatives are at this point if his performance does not become more productive and consistent.
 
Sounds like what both of you are saying is Sim is not yet functioning as a BE dependable, consistent big minutes player, but hoping he can kick it up a gear soon.

However, not sure what the alternatives are at this point if his performance does not become more productive and consistent.
There's none. I trust him a lot more than Glover or Lefty out there. Rick clearly trying to build his confidence.
 
He needs 10 lbs of muscle yesterday. His mechanics are great and he has missed (barely) some very good looks lately, but he isn’t getting enough by any stretch. He needs to step into it to be most effective.

I am slightly concerned for the future right now, but there is a lot of season left and he’s just a sophomore that barely played last year.
 
He needs 10 lbs of muscle yesterday. His mechanics are great and he has missed (barely) some very good looks lately, but he isn’t getting enough by any stretch. He needs to step into it to be most effective.

I am slightly concerned for the future right now, but there is a lot of season left and he’s just a sophomore that barely played last year.
He needs to jump a little higher in order to dunk ... lol
 
There's none. I trust him a lot more than Glover or Lefty out there. Rick clearly trying to build his confidence.
Yep. The difference on defense is what separates Sim from Glover and Lefty. Not that Sim is a great defender or anything like that but he knows where to be and what the coverage is supposed to be. Glover got lost a few times in limited time already and Lefty probably can't stay in front of anybody decent right now.
 
Can’t argue with your stats that he does fairly well against lesser teams. Really the stats you put up depends on who is guarding you. Better teams usually have a “stopper”. So when Deivon sits and the stopper is too short for Kadary, Sim gets the stopper.
 
Can’t argue with your stats that he does fairly well against lesser teams. Really the stats you put up depends on who is guarding you. Better teams usually have a “stopper”. So when Deivon sits and the stopper is too short for Kadary, Sim gets the stopper.
Sim will consistently draw the opposing team’s second or third best perimeter defender
 
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