Loved RJ but he was not the player Mullin, Berry or Sealy were, and it's not even close. It's impossible to say put this guy on last year's team and we're final four, national champs etc. because anything can happen in a single game. But i will say this, Berry would never have looked as lost in that game as RJ did.
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Omg lolololololololol I’m dying in the back of SJU85s car
Should we send help?
I respect that
when the Knicks got Ewing
What bothers me about comparisons is that in this case they are being done to diminish a kid who just led us to a program tying 31 win season and was named BE player ofvthe year AND BET MVP. It's destructive negative crap no matter how you slice it.
My wife taught in one of the highest performing high schools in the country, and taught a discipline that was a difference maker in college acceptance. One year the school had 50, yes FIFTY kids get into ivy league schools. She had a kid whose mom berated him endlessly - tiger mom - because he wasn't his older brother, who went to Princeton. "He's lazy, he's stupid. He's not as smart as his brother.", the mother complained to my wife. My wife knew he was a good kid, liked him a lot, and before senior year the kid emailed my wife telling her how hard he would work, that he would win awards, and make her proud. The kid did win awards, and ONLY got into Cornell. His mom may have been disappointed but his teacher was proud.
My response to saying what RJ Isn't , namely one of the the 4 best players in our past 50 years was to point out those players deficiencies. Mullin and Jackson were far too slow to play in Pitino's constantly switching man defense, and Berry too disinterested to play defense. (Red Auerbach said exactly that one morning on the Today show before the draft).
Let's just celebrate what a kid is, and not what he isn’t. As fans WE often suck. I think that was Panther's more eloquent point.
Boo Harvey
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RJ made clutch shots on a great team and was largely responsible for an historic season. Shamorie had great individual games and was responsible for some surprising wins but for the most part the team was irrelevant. The context matters.
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L J S A
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So Hardy over RJ then?
RJ Nabisco over The Hardy boys and Horace Hardy.
SJU85, let Maher go unharmed and we will get you court side seats.
the holy trinity
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All players mentioned were awesome, but can’t really compare. Different types teams they each played within . Shamorie(literally the ball always in his hand and had the green light to do whatever he wanted) Hardy( also main focal point especially with scoring but had a gritty supporting cast but the cast lacked scoring. RJ( major scoring asset but most definitely had more support than the other 2). Scoring the ball Shamorie and Hardy had more a natural talent for it ( could only imagine what they would do if they were 6’4 or taller with that ability. RJ on the other hand had more size and athleticism and did a little bit of everything well, not great but good enough to mix with his size ( for the college game he’s a stud athletically)The other 2 I consider undersize elite scorers . Mullin and Berry are just on a different level( Not comparable)
Guys, PLEASE try to stay on topic.
It's very distracting - and quite frankly annoying - when threads like this derail.
Try talking about something like this year's fringe center prospects like when our Robert Werdann was picked in the 2nd round in 1992 despite missing almost all of his senior year.
I've always thought Werdann was going to have a breakout senior year. Which reminds me, who do you think had the better career Werdann or Bill Wennington?
Werdann was from Sunnyside. Anybody ever go to the Butcher Block on Queens Blvd? Man, their marinated chicken kebobs are the best! Light those babies up on the grill during summer.
What's everybody doing for summer? Any traveling? We're going to St. Croix where as you know Johnnies great Glenn Williams is from.
Was anyone else surprised Glenn never had much success in the NBA. I thought his size, shooting ability and athleticism would at least keep him around for awhile.
But the draft is really a crapshoot, isn't it? I think Cooper is less Larry Bird and more Keith Van Horn.
Am I being racist by only making a white-to-white comparison?
Discuss. All of it.
It's very distracting - and quite frankly annoying - when threads like this derail.
Try talking about something like this year's fringe center prospects like when our Robert Werdann was picked in the 2nd round in 1992 despite missing almost all of his senior year.
I've always thought Werdann was going to have a breakout senior year. Which reminds me, who do you think had the better career Werdann or Bill Wennington?
Werdann was from Sunnyside. Anybody ever go to the Butcher Block on Queens Blvd? Man, their marinated chicken kebobs are the best! Light those babies up on the grill during summer.
What's everybody doing for summer? Any traveling? We're going to St. Croix where as you know Johnnies great Glenn Williams is from.
Was anyone else surprised Glenn never had much success in the NBA. I thought his size, shooting ability and athleticism would at least keep him around for awhile.
But the draft is really a crapshoot, isn't it? I think Cooper is less Larry Bird and more Keith Van Horn.
Am I being racist by only making a white-to-white comparison?
Discuss. All of it.
All the negative RJ Luis talk is a result of him deciding to leave to potentially play in the NBA. Whether or not he gets drafted, that was his plan encouraged by our HOF coach. The reaction to his choice to leave is the sour grapes of a jilted lover. If he were coming back the negative voices might have been silenced.
The kid was a great player for us whose play was worth the price of the ticket. He may not have been a great defensive player, but he did make great defensive plays.
(NOTE TO SELF: Stay on topic -- The NBA Draft. Sorry for the derailment.)
The kid was a great player for us whose play was worth the price of the ticket. He may not have been a great defensive player, but he did make great defensive plays.
(NOTE TO SELF: Stay on topic -- The NBA Draft. Sorry for the derailment.)
Except there was plenty of negative RJ talk while he was here. May be better for RJ to go undrafted so he can get a shot with a team where he is a good fit in all aspects. Getting cut from a team can start a process of stigmatizing a player as just not good enough.
Knight , 1 last derailment please . I have this vision of Calipari in the Locker Room with his Coaches and saying “ do you believe that SOB Pitino took his All American and POY out of the game with 5 minutes left ?” “ who would have done that ?”
Completely agree. Worked for Julian.
I’m kinda the humblest dude here in person. When I see others go nuts I strike and call out the nonsense with more nonsense. Nothing more nothing less
You have an explanation as to why you are the way you are I personally think that works for me. For others I don’t know
All I’m saying is you always come out elbows flying ( unfortunately I stole that term )
But to steal a term from my dad is there is no worse talent than a washed talent . Unfortunately he used that to me but that made me to who I am and I don’t feel bad saying it to anyone here and it’s a compliment. You know a lot. You add a lot of value not just here but music. But think about how different you are on the music forum than here. When you post I want to read every one of them it’s not like a block you but don’t cone out el blows flying. That’s a weakness and takes away from the debate
Kranmars feel free to properly space my response