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I had what was for me a very thought provoking incident on the board last night. I actually had a poster accuse me of hating another human being on a "personal level." Now, I don't give this posters opinions much credence, if fact really none; I consider him to be the most agenda driven of posters - he always wants to prove he is the smartest "person in the room."

Having said that, his comment still affected me deeply. I am passionate about all I do, after suffering a heart attack in 2010 I still choose to work between 55-65 hours a week not because my business demands it any more but because "that is me." I am extremely passionate about SJU basketball; outside of my family, SJU and the Mets give me the most joy and heartache in my life. When someone told me about this board years ago I found it a Godsend; talking SJU hoops whenever; doesn't get any better than that.

So I posted, first under Littlemin and then Logen. To answer mjmaher after all these years I changed my handle because my daughter didn't like my nickname (my name among friends for as long as I can remember) and asked me to change my handle from the time she was old enough to understand what redman.com was. I didn't change for a good while but as she got older she kept wearing me down and finally won (don't daughters always win?)

Anyway, I certainly have an opinionated, stubborn side to my personality and I got in it with people through the years, first with Maven, with bobre, later Dinkins and lately Beast and Marillac. There were others for sure. It was never personal to me and I took as good as I gave.

But Marillac's comment got to me because the words "HATE" and "PERSONAL" have power. I don't hate Steve Lavin, never really met the man to know him on any level. While I have posted a lot in terms of quantity and length of posts on a lot of subjects over the last months I certainly have focused on Lavin as coach. I don't believe I have EVER posted anything personal about him but I suppose Marillac could go through all my posts and tell me definitively. Anyway, if I have posted anything not directly related to his coaching i.e. comments on his personal life then I apologize to him and his family. That was not my intent and if I did post in that manner it was wrong.

Having said that, I consider my comments on his coaching to be based on reasons developed over his 5 years here but I am not going to go into detail here. I do not have any agenda concerning Steve Lavin any more than I did in supporting Norm Roberts for a long time; both positions were based on reasons that mattered to me. I eventually changed my mind on Norm but I supported him long after most of the board had written him off. I defended him passionately through those times as I have done the same knocking Steve Lavin. Neither was for personal reasons or agenda driven but what I felt at a given point in time was best for the future of SJU basketball.

Finally, my point in writing of all this; much is written about the Internet, good and bad. It is a tool for the young to bully, for ISIS to recruit, it provides easy access of information for people with an urgent need, etc. Like all tools the Internet is neither good nor bad in itself but its "morality" is defined by the user. At the end of the day I am a Christian, in my case a Catholic and I have never HATED another human being in my life. We are all human and have moments of hate ; I am talking about the cold, calculating, constant disease of the mind hate. So while I could easily dismiss Marillac's accusation as the musings of someone I consider nothing more than a knucklehead, in reality I can't help examine my own conscience and use of this board in attacking another human being. I always considered my posts to be about his professional life but did I go over the top? Did I let my zeal for SJU hoops and the anonymity of the Internet lead me say things about another human being that I would not say to his face? That was always my yardstick here and I have to wonder if all I posted I would say to Steve Lavin if I had the opportunity. I believe I would, I am "about" as frank in person as I am on the board but did I step over the line here on the "about"?

Well, I am going to try and figure that out. I will not be posting anymore for a good while if ever again. I never say never so we shall see. I will certainly continue to read the board, my passion for SJU hoops will always be there. But if I don't come back as a poster I want to thank the friends I have made here, I want to thank the moderators for keeping this site as great as it is. But I especially want to thank Paul for all the hours and hours of enjoyment he has provided me through the years with the site and the hours more to come.
 
I had what was for me a very thought provoking incident on the board last night. I actually had a poster accuse me of hating another human being on a "personal level." Now, I don't give this posters opinions much credence, if fact really none; I consider him to be the most agenda driven of posters - he always wants to prove he is the smartest "person in the room."

Having said that, his comment still affected me deeply. I am passionate about all I do, after suffering a heart attack in 2010 I still choose to work between 55-65 hours a week not because my business demands it any more but because "that is me." I am extremely passionate about SJU basketball; outside of my family, SJU and the Mets give me the most joy and heartache in my life. When someone told me about this board years ago I found it a Godsend; talking SJU hoops whenever; doesn't get any better than that.

So I posted, first under Littlemin and then Logen. To answer mjmaher after all these years I changed my handle because my daughter didn't like my nickname (my name among friends for as long as I can remember) and asked me to change my handle from the time she was old enough to understand what redman.com was. I didn't change for a good while but as she got older she kept wearing me down and finally won (don't daughters always win?)

Anyway, I certainly have an opinionated, stubborn side to my personality and I got in it with people through the years, first with Maven, with bobre, later Dinkins and lately Beast and Marillac. There were others for sure. It was never personal to me and I took as good as I gave.

But Marillac's comment got to me because the words "HATE" and "PERSONAL" have power. I don't hate Steve Lavin, never really met the man to know him on any level. While I have posted a lot in terms of quantity and length of posts on a lot of subjects over the last months I certainly have focused on Lavin as coach. I don't believe I have EVER posted anything personal about him but I suppose Marillac could go through all my posts and tell me definitively. Anyway, if I have posted anything not directly related to his coaching i.e. comments on his personal life then I apologize to him and his family. That was not my intent and if I did post in that manner it was wrong.

Having said that, I consider my comments on his coaching to be based on reasons developed over his 5 years here but I am not going to go into detail here. I do not have any agenda concerning Steve Lavin any more than I did in supporting Norm Roberts for a long time; both positions were based on reasons that mattered to me. I eventually changed my mind on Norm but I supported him long after most of the board had written him off. I defended him passionately through those times as I have done the same knocking Steve Lavin. Neither was for personal reasons or agenda driven but what I felt at a given point in time was best for the future of SJU basketball.

Finally, my point in writing of all this; much is written about the Internet, good and bad. It is a tool for the young to bully, for ISIS to recruit, it provides easy access of information for people with an urgent need, etc. Like all tools the Internet is neither good nor bad in itself but its "morality" is defined by the user. At the end of the day I am a Christian, in my case a Catholic and I have never HATED another human being in my life. We are all human and have moments of hate ; I am talking about the cold, calculating, constant disease of the mind hate. So while I could easily dismiss Marillac's accusation as the musings of someone I consider nothing more than a knucklehead, in reality I can't help examine my own conscience and use of this board in attacking another human being. I always considered my posts to be about his professional life but did I go over the top? Did I let my zeal for SJU hoops and the anonymity of the Internet lead me say things about another human being that I would not say to his face? That was always my yardstick here and I have to wonder if all I posted I would say to Steve Lavin if I had the opportunity. I believe I would, I am "about" as frank in person as I am on the board but did I step over the line here on the "about"?

Well, I am going to try and figure that out. I will not be posting anymore for a good while if ever again. I never say never so we shall see. I will certainly continue to read the board, my passion for SJU hoops will always be there. But if I don't come back as a poster I want to thank the friends I have made here, I want to thank the moderators for keeping this site as great as it is. But I especially want to thank Paul for all the hours and hours of enjoyment he has provided me through the years with the site and the hours more to come.
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And what is the point of this post? The internet is good and bad? It sounds more like you had a 'self revelation" and now you want everyone's attention and praise on how good of a person you are.
 
I had what was for me a very thought provoking incident on the board last night. I actually had a poster accuse me of hating another human being on a "personal level." Now, I don't give this posters opinions much credence, if fact really none; I consider him to be the most agenda driven of posters - he always wants to prove he is the smartest "person in the room."

Having said that, his comment still affected me deeply. I am passionate about all I do, after suffering a heart attack in 2010 I still choose to work between 55-65 hours a week not because my business demands it any more but because "that is me." I am extremely passionate about SJU basketball; outside of my family, SJU and the Mets give me the most joy and heartache in my life. When someone told me about this board years ago I found it a Godsend; talking SJU hoops whenever; doesn't get any better than that.

So I posted, first under Littlemin and then Logen. To answer mjmaher after all these years I changed my handle because my daughter didn't like my nickname (my name among friends for as long as I can remember) and asked me to change my handle from the time she was old enough to understand what redman.com was. I didn't change for a good while but as she got older she kept wearing me down and finally won (don't daughters always win?)

Anyway, I certainly have an opinionated, stubborn side to my personality and I got in it with people through the years, first with Maven, with bobre, later Dinkins and lately Beast and Marillac. There were others for sure. It was never personal to me and I took as good as I gave.

But Marillac's comment got to me because the words "HATE" and "PERSONAL" have power. I don't hate Steve Lavin, never really met the man to know him on any level. While I have posted a lot in terms of quantity and length of posts on a lot of subjects over the last months I certainly have focused on Lavin as coach. I don't believe I have EVER posted anything personal about him but I suppose Marillac could go through all my posts and tell me definitively. Anyway, if I have posted anything not directly related to his coaching i.e. comments on his personal life then I apologize to him and his family. That was not my intent and if I did post in that manner it was wrong.

Having said that, I consider my comments on his coaching to be based on reasons developed over his 5 years here but I am not going to go into detail here. I do not have any agenda concerning Steve Lavin any more than I did in supporting Norm Roberts for a long time; both positions were based on reasons that mattered to me. I eventually changed my mind on Norm but I supported him long after most of the board had written him off. I defended him passionately through those times as I have done the same knocking Steve Lavin. Neither was for personal reasons or agenda driven but what I felt at a given point in time was best for the future of SJU basketball.

Finally, my point in writing of all this; much is written about the Internet, good and bad. It is a tool for the young to bully, for ISIS to recruit, it provides easy access of information for people with an urgent need, etc. Like all tools the Internet is neither good nor bad in itself but its "morality" is defined by the user. At the end of the day I am a Christian, in my case a Catholic and I have never HATED another human being in my life. We are all human and have moments of hate ; I am talking about the cold, calculating, constant disease of the mind hate. So while I could easily dismiss Marillac's accusation as the musings of someone I consider nothing more than a knucklehead, in reality I can't help examine my own conscience and use of this board in attacking another human being. I always considered my posts to be about his professional life but did I go over the top? Did I let my zeal for SJU hoops and the anonymity of the Internet lead me say things about another human being that I would not say to his face? That was always my yardstick here and I have to wonder if all I posted I would say to Steve Lavin if I had the opportunity. I believe I would, I am "about" as frank in person as I am on the board but did I step over the line here on the "about"?

Well, I am going to try and figure that out. I will not be posting anymore for a good while if ever again. I never say never so we shall see. I will certainly continue to read the board, my passion for SJU hoops will always be there. But if I don't come back as a poster I want to thank the friends I have made here, I want to thank the moderators for keeping this site as great as it is. But I especially want to thank Paul for all the hours and hours of enjoyment he has provided me through the years with the site and the hours more to come.
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Well said and thanks for taking the time to express yourself so honestly. I don't recall you personalizing comments against Lavin, but many have here. That is my biggest complaint about all Boards, they go down into the gutter mostly on assumptions. Here you nailed on the head and I hope all read this thoughtful post.

If you don't like a player or a coach, fine just keep it above the line. Ask yourself, "would you say this to their face." If not don't post it.

Again appreciate your vulnerability, Logen. I was wondering where LittleMin went to.
 
Sorry to hear your decision. As I noted recently, I have enjoyed your posts & knowledge of the game. It is ironic that same folks cast aspersions at other posters for getting "personal", while calling individuals sissys, nerds, & assortment of other descriptors. There are guys who pretend to be SJU fans, yet troll constantly in hopes the program implodes. Some other guys really have an edge to their posts, but their satire is often entertaining. I recognize you are a true supporter of SJU hoops & just frustrated, right or wrong, with our coach. I think having differences of opinion is a healthy component of a message board. To be driven away by one person with an inflated sense of self is sad. Cool off & come back. The program needs all the help it can get.

Lastly, I myself have been guilty of going off reservation occasionally, most recently referring to folks as idiots. Shame on me. I was appropriately taken to task & frankly it was helpful. Sports is only a distraction from the challenging aspects of life. Hang in there man!
 
Drama queen.

It probably took you 30 minutes to write this, but would have only taken you 15 seconds to read my post and realize I never used the word "hate."

I wrote that you seem to "dislike" (NOT hate; big difference) Lavin on a personal level. You called the man lazy and accuse him routinely of collecting a salary while not caring about fulfilling his end of the bargain. How is that not personal? When I bring that up, you call me names and result to personal attacks like "you egotistical a-hole" "you are a sad person" "you were obviously raised as a spoiled rich kid" (false btw), "you are an idiot," and "you are the least intelligent person on this site."

Thank you for the lesson on the internet and Isis recruitment. It may have been the most positive thing you've posted in a year. You are a broken record. I realize the same can be said about me and my positive, hopeful posts, but isn't that the point of being a fan and, really, sports in general?

I, like many others, turn to sports and this site as a break from some of the tougher aspects of life. Your posts are well beyond critical. They are unnecessarily negative day after day.
 
In my opinion both posters in question are valuable contributors to this site and I always look forward to seeing what they have to say.
 
Like many things, The Internet is tool that can be used for good and evil.

Take the Death Star.... here we have one of the greatest feats of technology and engineering designed to bring order to the Republic, provide safe harbor to thousands of loyalists and rid the galaxy of systems that harbor terrorists aka rebel scum.

Great, right?

And yet there are those among us who would rather swoop in, exploit a tiny design flaw and blow it up.

My question to you is, what were we talking about?
 
Seriously? I think you're both crazy as are most posters who get so worked up about a topic that they drop their argument and instead, resort to attacking the intelligence or "loyalty" of the poster holding the opposing view. It gets a little tiresome and does nothing to further the strength of your arguments pro or con on a given subject. That said, it's a message board and like all boards, it will consistently draw the passion of wackos who bleed red and white. Go Redmen!
 
Like many things, The Internet is tool that can be used for good and evil.

Take the Death Star.... here we have one of the greatest feats of technology and engineering designed to bring order to the Republic, provide safe harbor to thousands of loyalists and rid the galaxy of systems that harbor terrorists aka rebel scum. Great right? And yet there are those among us who would rather swoop in, exploit a tiny design flaw and blow it up. My question to you is, what we're we talking about?
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This is an early post of the year candidate. Hahaha
 
I'm mostly bored by reading much of the same stuff over and over again. Not just the attacks on Lavin. If I have to read one more time about the meits o demerits of Fran, Javis and Norm, I think I'll stick an ice pick in my temple. Nontheless, I come back for he good nuggets of information and discussion about the team that I have come to love more than any other (sorry Cowboys and Yankees).

I really enjoyed the thread started by the SDSU fan. It has been enjoyable talking about basketball. A meaningful post-season tournament game and getting information from the opposing fans' perspective. Ahh, basketball!
 
All kidding aside, I too have a lot of problems with the Internet especially when I can't logen to a site like redmen.com.
 
If someone would do a redmen.com poster bracket we can have Marillac as the # 1 seed in the "Lavin Region" vs 16 seed Logen who beat Class of 72 in the Play in Game played at Queens College where Norm went 24-84.

That is the only solution to settle this.,
 
I tend to live by this maxim in regards to what I read and post on the Internet, spoken by one of our greatest Presidents:

"The problem with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."

-Abraham Lincoln
 
I tend to live by this maxim in regards to what I read and post on the Internet, spoken by one of our greatest Presidents:

"The problem with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."

-Abraham Lincoln
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So good old Honest Abe was an internet guru, eh?
 
I have a maxim I always abide by when it comes to the Interwebzzz...I never act in a matter I wouldn't in "real" life and I don't use vernacular or talk a certain way I wouldn't face-to-face with someone.

Saying that, stop taking things so personally and enjoy the game tonight.
 
Like many things, The Internet is tool that can be used for good and evil.

Take the Death Star.... here we have one of the greatest feats of technology and engineering designed to bring order to the Republic, provide safe harbor to thousands of loyalists and rid the galaxy of systems that harbor terrorists aka rebel scum. Great right? And yet there are those among us who would rather swoop in, exploit a tiny design flaw and blow it up. My question to you is, what we're we talking about?
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what in the world are you talking about?????
 
I tend to live by this maxim in regards to what I read and post on the Internet, spoken by one of our greatest Presidents:

"The problem with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."

-Abraham Lincoln
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So good old Honest Abe was an internet guru, eh?
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Yep. I hear he started a web site for the Union Army called, bluemen.com. Had to shut it down when it was over-run by Rebel posts.

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Logen-
I hope you come back soon. It's not like you failed a Redmen.com piss test. Your posts are interesting, though wordy at times, and most frequently a good read. Walk it off and get back in the game.

Others-
Take a deep breath. Relax.
 
If someone would do a redmen.com poster bracket we can have Marillac as the # 1 seed in the "Lavin Region" vs 16 seed Logen who beat Class of 72 in the Play in Game played at Queens College where Norm went 24-84.

That is the only solution to settle this.,
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Thanks for the play in game compliment Avon but I think my short bench, lack of recruits and my inopportune time outs (mostly to take a leak) made me nothing better than an NIT guy. ;)

As for Logen and his resignation letter, I think we will put it aside until after tonight's game. If we lose, which is very possible, he will eat himself up inside to come back here to vent. Being the softy that I really am, I would hate to have Logen have another myocardial infarction just because he can't release his frustrations here.
Logen, I know you have gone at it with the Maven, Dinkins and a long list of others, including me but that does not mean any of us have any personal dislike for you. In my much younger days I hung out in some of Queens most notorious sports bars where fists would fly during discussions but the same people would be back week after week and still share pitchers of beer as if nothing happened. That's what sports brings out in many fans. If every fan in those bars decided to never return after a few arguments they would have been empty and out of business in a month. Most lasted years and years.
It is perfectly normal to disagree in that smokey bar atmosphere, especially after a few beers, and this Internet thread you started is no different in today's cyber world.
Redmen.com is now that smokey bar for many redmen fans separated by states and continents. Most fans are hardcore St. John's fans and supporters who only want the program to be the best and overachieve rather than underachieve. That group likely excludes Marco Baldi who seems to thrive when we hit our many bumps in the road. Fans like the Maven are hardcore and don't mince words in their intention to better the program. I, on the other hand prefer to be sarcastic in my disappointments and, as edgy as I am with fellow posters, I respect their fan loyalty and know that in that smokey bar, face to face, they are much nicer than this new impersonal Internet thing we got going on.
So, take a day off and come back soon. The next imaginary beer is on me!

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If someone would do a redmen.com poster bracket we can have Marillac as the # 1 seed in the "Lavin Region" vs 16 seed Logen who beat Class of 72 in the Play in Game played at Queens College where Norm went 24-84.

That is the only solution to settle this.,
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Thanks for the play in game compliment Avon but I think my short bench, lack of recruits and my inopportune time outs (mostly to take a leak) made me nothing better than an NIT guy. ;)

As for Logen and his resignation letter, I think we will put it aside until after tonight's game. If we lose, which is very possible, he will eat himself up inside to come back here to vent. Being the softy that I really am, I would hate to have Logen have another myocardial infarction just because he can't release his frustrations here.
Logen, I know you have gone at it with the Maven, Dinkins and a long list of others, including me but that does not mean any of us have any personal dislike for you. In my much younger days I hung out in some of Queens most notorious sports bars where fists would fly during discussions but the same people would be back week after week and still share pitchers of beer as if nothing happened. That's what sports brings out in many fans. If every fan in those bars decided to never return after a few arguments they would have been empty and out of business in a month. Most lasted years and years.
It is perfectly normal to disagree in that smokey bar atmosphere, especially after a few beers, and this Internet thread you started is no different in today's cyber world.
Redmen.com is now that smokey bar for many redmen fans separated by states and continents. Most fans are hardcore St. John's fans and supporters who only want the program to be the best and overachieve rather than underachieve. That group likely excludes Marco Baldi who seems to thrive when we hit our many bumps in the road. Fans like the Maven are hardcore and don't mince words in their intention to better the program. I, on the other hand prefer to be sarcastic in my disappointments and, as edgy as I am with fellow posters, I respect their fan loyalty and know that in that smokey bar, face to face, they are much nicer than this new impersonal Internet thing we got going on.
So, take a day off and come back soon. The next imaginary beer is on me!

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I love this post, with one exception. If being a fan means you build your oh! so fragile persona on your access to information at a college basketball program.. and then, when you lose that access, throw a years long tantrum and try whatever you can to regain it - showing along the way that you care little for the program, the kids, or the truth.. then indeed, Maven is a fan. Otherwise.. nah.
 
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