The Heart and Soul of the team

[BrookJersey Redmen]

I meant AT LEAST Stith can dribble, meaning you do have to manage to get the ball up the court against an aggressive pressing defense, and many of the others couldn't seem to even do that.

Against Louisville I saw a lot of guys who couldn't dribble, picked up their dribble at the worst times, couldn't in-bound the ball and couldn't hit their free throws when the refs finally woke up and called all of the Cardinals' hacking fouls being committed (but mostly not called by the refs). 

 

[bobre45]

It's ironic but I don't think Pelle and Sampson would have made a bit of difference last night

Yeah, having guys who are 6'9 and 6'10'' is overrated, especially against a team with a 7 footer. We are far better off playing with 6 short guys and one forward than if we had 9 guys of whom 3 were bigs. In fact, if we really want to improve we would shorten the rotation even farther and just play 5 guards 40 minutes every night. Genius!!

and we've already seen what Garrett has to offer.

You're right. They guy has played about 45 minutes so far this season after not playing for months and with about two weeks of practice. He's useless and will never contribute anything, and we can say that definitively right now.

Fact is that we only have one shooter and the whole world knows about it. We also don't defend corner threes and until these things change we're going to get obliterated.

Like the Providence game. Or do you mean we are only going to get obliterated by top-10 teams? [Disclaimer: we do need to get better in the halfcourt and extend on that corner 3.]

Of course Harkless is going to get doubled when he goes low. That's what zones are for. He played a lot on the perimeter last night but doesn't have the cojones to shoot.

He's gutless. Get rid of him. Who needs talented players? Bring back Sean Evans!!!!!!

From what I've seen in warmups the walkons are better shooters than some of the starters.

John Wooden always said he decided who was going to play in the game based on warmups. Ok, he didn't I just made that up.

What would be lost if we used them a little? Games? We're doing that already. 

 

Yes, and we are going to lose more this season. And while we are doing that we are going to give the players who will go to the Sweet 16 next year valuable minutes in game competition against good teams so that they will learn what they need to do to compete effectively at this level.

 

LMF channeling his inner fun, and in the process carving up Bobre like a Thanksgiving turkey (pun intended)!

 

From what I've seen of them neither Pelle nor Sampson is a shooter and wouldn't do that much against a packed in zone. We're losing games because we can't shoot and other teams can. Last I looked the team with the most points wins and threes count more than layups, especially when they're blocked. We didn't win last year with size. We did it because Hardy, Horne, Brownlee and DJ could knock down shots. We give up threes at an alarming rate and more bigs aren't going to change that. A few more boards wouldn't hurt but you still have to score. Summary - we need SHOOTERS. Yeah we were more talented than Providence but what happened vs Northeastern? Somebody please look up our three pt. margin and see whether that spells it out.

 

[Section9]

I meant AT LEAST Stith can dribble, meaning you do have to manage to get the ball up the court against an aggressive pressing defense, and many of the others couldn't seem to even do that.

Against Louisville I saw a lot of guys who couldn't dribble, picked up their dribble at the worst times, couldn't in-bound the ball and couldn't hit their free throws when the refs finally woke up and called all of the Cardinals' hacking fouls being committed (but mostly not called by the refs). 

 

For all his faults at least Greene can penetrate, and Harrison is aggressive driving into the paint. Stith does nothing when it comes to running anything, watch how often on a break he pulls up at the top of the key, or if he does drive forces it while ignoring an open teammate on the wing, which he did against 'ville and got stuffed while Pointer was free on the wing and under a full head of steam. There's a reason he's seeing so little time. I guess Dunlap and the other coaches haven't seen your point of view. B)

 

[bobre45]

 Oh by the way Saint John's is ranked number 342 out of 344 total D1 teams in three pt field goal percentage. Does anyone but me have a problem with that????

 

[lawmanfan]

For all his faults at least Greene can penetrate,

 

yes, but he really needs to look for his own shot when he does instead of turning around and ditching it to somebody else. He is trying to hard to be a passing point guard and needs to be more of an offensive threat himself. It's like he's trying to be the anti-Nuri. A little Nuri would help him and the team.

 

[Section9]

For all his faults at least Greene can penetrate,

 

yes, but he really needs to look for his own shot when he does instead of turning around and ditching it to somebody else. He is trying to hard to be a passing point guard and needs to be more of an offensive threat himself. It's like he's trying to be the anti-Nuri. A little Nuri would help him and the team.

 

Anything beyond 3 feet was out of Lindsey's range so I don't want Phil to be more like Lindsey, Greene's got a nice little pull-up jumper. He's been thrust into this role and he's finding his way, it's going to take time but I'd still rather have him at the point than Stith, and so does the staff.

 

[Ray Morgan]

 Oh by the way Saint John's is ranked number 342 out of 344 total D1 teams in three pt field goal percentage. Does anyone but me have a problem with that????

 

Yes. That's why I started another thread about SJU's historical lack of shooters. It's like we are playing a different game then our opponents.

 

[bobre45]

 Oh by the way Saint John's is ranked number 342 out of 344 total D1 teams in three pt field goal percentage. Does anyone but me have a problem with that????

 

Yes. That's why I started another thread about SJU's historical lack of shooters. It's like we are playing a different game then our opponents.

 

The goal ist still putting the ball in the basket and we are almost dead last in the nation at doing that. Last year Lavin put Norm Robert's players in a position to score but he has yet to show any interest in recruiting kids who can do that. Include Nuri with Pelle, Garrett and Sampson and add in this year's starters and you've got one of the worst shooting teams we've ever had. Dunlap is going to have to design some plays to create clean shots and let Greene, Harrison and Harkless start hoisting some shots up for better or worse and Lavin's gonna have to bite the bullet and add some pure shooters to this cockeyed team. Our stats are totally ridiculous right now.

 

[ras]

 Oh by the way Saint John's is ranked number 342 out of 344 total D1 teams in three pt field goal percentage. Does anyone but me have a problem with that????

  We should shoot less 3s and more 2s.

 

[lawmanfan]

For all his faults at least Greene can penetrate,

 

yes, but he really needs to look for his own shot when he does instead of turning around and ditching it to somebody else. He is trying to hard to be a passing point guard and needs to be more of an offensive threat himself. It's like he's trying to be the anti-Nuri. A little Nuri would help him and the team.

 

Anything beyond 3 feet was out of Lindsey's range so I don't want Phil to be more like Lindsey, Greene's got a nice little pull-up jumper. He's been thrust into this role and he's finding his way, it's going to take time but I'd still rather have him at the point than Stith, and so does the staff.

 

You're missing my point. I don't think anybody was more positive on Phil earlier than me. I think he handles the ball very well for a kid who didn't start out as a PG, I think he's mentally tough, he's a good on-ball defender, and he's clearly very coachable. I know that his release is funky, but to some extent so is D'Angelo's. I think that he will eventually be a scorer at least to some extent both from distance and going to the rim.

The issue is that he is deferring too much. I understand why - he has been asked to play the point and he is overcompensating by trying to pass the ball almost every time and making sure to "run the offense."

The problem is that "the offense" for the first 3/4 of every game consists of chucking the ball around the perimeter for 25 seconds if we couldn't score on the break. I have lost track of the times that Phil either penetrated or looked like he could penetrate and passed up taking the ball to the rim for the score or the foul in favor of dumping the ball off to somebody who was farther away from the basket than him and who started the pass-the-ball-around-the-perimeter stuff. He has also gotten the ball in the mid-range area and on the 3 point line with enough space to get a shot off and passed that up.

I understand that he's feeling his way at being a PG and that he wants to do what the staff has asked him to do (to his credit), but he needs to take his opportunities when they are there. He's being too unselfish and he needs to attack more, which is what he was recruited to do.

 

[bamafan]

 Oh by the way Saint John's is ranked number 342 out of 344 total D1 teams in three pt field goal percentage. Does anyone but me have a problem with that????

 
Maybe we should eschew the field goal attempts and just go for the touchdown.

 

[lawmanfan]

and we've already seen what Garrett has to offer.

You're right. They guy has played about 45 minutes so far this season after not playing for months and with about two weeks of practice. He's useless and will never contribute anything, and we can say that definitively right now.

BUMP!

 

[ccnobz]

and we've already seen what Garrett has to offer.

You're right. They guy has played about 45 minutes so far this season after not playing for months and with about two weeks of practice. He's useless and will never contribute anything, and we can say that definitively right now.

BUMP!

 


He was playing at the schhol he was at , up until coming to STJ.