The Airing of the Grievances

[mattc]

Even with Dom fouling out with over 9 minutes to play, Obekpa twisting his ankle, and garbage time minutes, we still played out first 6 184 minutes last night.

It is not a coincidence that we were up 52-50 with 12 minutes to play, and got outpaced 40-20 the rest of the way. 40 points in 12 minutes! That's not strategy, that's not talent, that's not heart or toughness, that's an 8 man rotation against a 6 man rotation. When playing equal or better competition, that's a major hole to be in every game.

We're a 30 minute team right now and it has nothing to do with the players. Feel horribly for them. Can't give better effort, as imperfect as the production may be from some.

Following the game-strategy of this team is like being in the twilight zone. Last year we were loaded, 10+ deep, and we didn't really embrace a 94-feet approach until Feb. 4 @ Providence once we were 2-6 in conference. This year we have 6 guys and we press the entire game! On top of that not only has it been ineffectual now that the competition level has elevated, it's been a detriment. It took less than 3 minutes for Arc to beat Branch some 70 feet from the basket, draw help, and hit Hart for an open 3 in the corner. After depth, that press may be the worst thing we have going. Get nothing out of it and wear down our already thin rotation at the same time. Sounds like a winner.

My main question would be same as it's been the last 3 years. Where are we going? I could deal with pretty much any set of circumstances in the near term if I saw a clear, sustainable, upward trajectory. It appears right now that this season will be better than next, and this season we have a 6-man rotation, effectively being willed offensively by a one-man wrecking crew (#11), needing to go 9-6 the rest of the way just to get to 9-9 in conference and 20 wins overall, still needing help in the BET to think about NCAA bid. If we aren't building upon that one year over the next, we really aren't building at all.

I believe it is quite ok to step back and objectively look at the program today and going forward without spewing venom & blame. In simplest terms, however, it is logical and appropriate to question the leadership (including our AD) of the SJU basketball program. After five years, is the program on solid ground, poised to compete & succeed on a consistent basis? Is the need to rebuild rather than reload acceptable? Is the leadership team capable of getting program on a positive track of going to dance more often than not.

If the program was a business concern, rest assured the present regime would be evaluated. One loss does not merit a knee jerk reaction. However, assuming this team fails to dance again, It is eminently fair to assess things objectively. Don't cloud the process with comparisons to past regimes nor regurgitating all the unexpected things that have plagued the program. Most programs experience those. Just fairly critique what has transpired & decide if SL & staff can get the job done. If I disagree with that decision, so be it. Life is bigger than SJU hoops.

Every time I see Monasch he looks as if someone kicked his dog and he'd rather be somewhere else.

 

[Moose]

... But you weren't when we were winning so I guess you missed him.

You are wrong once again.

Good to see you on your game and I got a response out of you. Considering about 3 or 4 other people also said same thing about your posting

Have a great day!

 

[paultzman]

... But you weren't when we were winning so I guess you missed him.

You are wrong once again.

Good to see you on your game and I got a response out of you. Considering about 3 or 4 other people also said same thing about your posting

Have a great day!

"MIster Moose" response in 5, 4, 3, .....

 

[SJUalum98]

Not a grievance but an observation.

Lavin's priority is not coaching. He seems more enthralled with being a city guy and a socialite. I think rather than checking out a local high school game after an early SJU home game, he would rather hit the town at a fancy steakhouse in the city or something similar.

Just my guess.

NY is a basketball town.

If as a head coach, basketball doesn't burn within you all day, every day, it's probably best to look elsewhere for both parties.

By all accounts, Mike Dunlap was the first guy in the gym when he was here. That's desire win, lose or draw. I think guys like the Hurleys have that same passion.

It's way past time to cut the cords IMO. Extend Lavin.

Extend him a handshake and tell him to have great health and a wonderful life.

Go out a get a guy who wants to be here. Get a coach who wants the honor of coaching at MSG.

Get a coach who enjoys watching high school kids play and not one who justs feels obligated to show up and sit through it.

The program will be set back for another 2-3+ years after this one because of the piss poor recruitment in '14 and '15 and the lack of development of the current 4-year players.

Don't know who to bring in. But bring in someone who sees it as a privilege to coach here and not just as a secondary benefit or perk.

 

[Ray Morgan]

Not a grievance but an observation.

Lavin's priority is not coaching. He seems more enthralled with being a city guy and a socialite. I think rather than checking out a local high school game after an early SJU home game, he would rather hit the town at a fancy steakhouse in the city or something similar.

Just my guess.

NY is a basketball town.

If as a head coach, basketball doesn't burn within you all day, every day, it's probably best to look elsewhere for both parties.

By all accounts, Mike Dunlap was the first guy in the gym when he was here. That's desire win, lose or draw. I think guys like the Hurleys have that same passion.

It's way past time to cut the cords IMO. Extend Lavin.

Extend him a handshake and tell him to have great health and a wonderful life.

Go out a get a guy who wants to be here. Get a coach who wants the honor of coaching at MSG.

Get a coach who enjoys watching high school kids play and not one who justs feels obligated to show up and sit through it.

The program will be set back for another 2-3+ years after this one because of the piss poor recruitment in '14 and '15 and the lack of development of the current 4-year players.

Don't know who to bring in. But bring in someone who sees it as a privilege to coach here and not just as a secondary benefit or perk.

Like Norm Roberts? We need more than that. I would like a coach that understands that you get 50% more points for a 3 point shot, and recruit with that in mind. The game has moved on from Looie's days as head coach. You can't just fill your roster with a team full of athletic tweeners and get away with it in a major conference. Including the watered down Big East.

 

[beast of the east]

Even with Dom fouling out with over 9 minutes to play, Obekpa twisting his ankle, and garbage time minutes, we still played out first 6 184 minutes last night.

It is not a coincidence that we were up 52-50 with 12 minutes to play, and got outpaced 40-20 the rest of the way. 40 points in 12 minutes! That's not strategy, that's not talent, that's not heart or toughness, that's an 8 man rotation against a 6 man rotation. When playing equal or better competition, that's a major hole to be in every game.

We're a 30 minute team right now and it has nothing to do with the players. Feel horribly for them. Can't give better effort, as imperfect as the production may be from some.

Following the game-strategy of this team is like being in the twilight zone. Last year we were loaded, 10+ deep, and we didn't really embrace a 94-feet approach until Feb. 4 @ Providence once we were 2-6 in conference. This year we have 6 guys and we press the entire game! On top of that not only has it been ineffectual now that the competition level has elevated, it's been a detriment. It took less than 3 minutes for Arc to beat Branch some 70 feet from the basket, draw help, and hit Hart for an open 3 in the corner. After depth, that press may be the worst thing we have going. Get nothing out of it and wear down our already thin rotation at the same time. Sounds like a winner.

My main question would be same as it's been the last 3 years. Where are we going? I could deal with pretty much any set of circumstances in the near term if I saw a clear, sustainable, upward trajectory. It appears right now that this season will be better than next, and this season we have a 6-man rotation, effectively being willed offensively by a one-man wrecking crew (#11), needing to go 9-6 the rest of the way just to get to 9-9 in conference and 20 wins overall, still needing help in the BET to think about NCAA bid. If we aren't building upon that one year over the next, we really aren't building at all.

I believe it is quite ok to step back and objectively look at the program today and going forward without spewing venom & blame. In simplest terms, however, it is logical and appropriate to question the leadership (including our AD) of the SJU basketball program. After five years, is the program on solid ground, poised to compete & succeed on a consistent basis? Is the need to rebuild rather than reload acceptable? Is the leadership team capable of getting program on a positive track of going to dance more often than not.

If the program was a business concern, rest assured the present regime would be evaluated. One loss does not merit a knee jerk reaction. However, assuming this team fails to dance again, It is eminently fair to assess things objectively. Don't cloud the process with comparisons to past regimes nor regurgitating all the unexpected things that have plagued the program. Most programs experience those. Just fairly critique what has transpired & decide if SL & staff can get the job done. If I disagree with that decision, so be it. Life is bigger than SJU hoops.

My reaction is pretty simple. I root for all of these guys until they aren't our guys anymore. If we end up in the bottom half of the league, his departure will be assured. Although it's reasonable to assume no dance, no job, nothing at SJU would surprise me.

 

[ras]

Season is over.

We will lose at PC which will make us 0-4. The OOC Schedule was all smoke and mirrors. Minnesota is not a top B10 team. Syracuse is down this year. What other games will we gloss over? Fordham? LBST? st. Mary's?

The problem goes deeper than Rysheed Jordan. Whether or not Jordan is here this team will be very ineffective because:

1. They are poorly coached. IMO Lavin is a major liability. With the Xs and Os, substitutions, time outs etc. He has proven to be a very below average basketball tactician. I think we all knew he wasn't Brad Stevens when he came here, but we thought that his less than stellar coaching would be compensated for by his ability to recruit, which brings me to my next point.....

2. The fact that we have at most six players who are really Division 1 players who can play significant minutes and not be a liability when they are on the court is absolutely mind boggling to me in Lavin's fifth year. lavin even had the balls to brag in an interview last week that recruiting is something he excels at. I must have missed something because the 14 class and the 15 class are the two worst recruiting classes SJU has had under any coach in my 25 years of following SJU.

Next year will be even worse. lavin had all his eggs in the Briscoe basket and when he committed to Kentucky that all but sealed our fate for 2015.

Next years team will mirror Norm Roberts' first team which to Norms credit he put together on the fly and with NCAA sanctions hanging over his head and with the majority of that class already committed. next years team will be the work of a coach who "excels at recruiting" yet we will behardpressed to find a legitimate BE player on the roster. As bad as Norms first year was, at least he had Showtime who despite his deficiencies still was a good BE talent. Next year we won't have that.

Based on what we see I doubt we will see Lavin back but this program is looking at another two to three year rebuild and a season of a lot of beat downs and "learning experiences" next year which is the lastthingourfan base and the BE wants to see.

Mind boggling to me that a guy who's strength was supposed to be recruiting has barely been able to field a team of mid-high D1 level players in 2 of his 4 years recruiting here(I'm discounting his first year with Norm's kids). No D1team should have to be looking to walk-ons, from around the country no less, to to contribute meaningful minutes. Not with all the solid talent floating around NYC and NJ. But lets face facts, for whatever reason Lavin was never able to establish ties with the local High School and AAU coaches, and its now a case of the chickens coming home to roost. IMO the chances of winning here are infinitely higher if you can recruit in the area, not to mention considerably easier and more efficient. Its most certainly not fair to all the kids who committed here with the expectation that they'd be surrounded by D1 talent. I'll be waiting for the usual replies about how hard it is to get kids to Jamaica, how are facilities are second rate, how kids want to leave town, yada, yada yada(in sticking with the Seinfeld theme). All the usual excuses that all of our previous coaches managed to overcome.

I agree w you re ; the importance of establishing good relationships w the local HS coaches. But, I don't mind getting a good recruit from Cal.as opposed to NY, and have no problem w national recruiting. What I do have a problem w is not having balanced rosters. Lavins first year he recruited almost all wings and we already had Polee on the team. It was very obvious we desperately needed a big this year, but he did not get us even 1 eligible big. We have a bench that Lavin has no confidence in. Furthermore ,people say we are loaded in the guard position, but they are all leaving this year. Recruiting a 3 star guard ,would have helped fill next years voids. Don't want to be the youngest team in America next year and were not getting Mcd. AAs like KY.. I don't mind Lavin taking risks w recruiting ,but he has to have contingency plans. I also don't think Lavin makes the best use of our bench ,although none of them are great. I really like our starters esp DLO. But Lavins "elite" recruiting class are seniors and ironically it is unlikely this year will be as sucsessfull as the one w Norms seniors ,which was much deeper and balanced.

 

[fuchsia]

Phil Greene is allowed to shoot with his feet moving and that has to stop. He also needs to find the three point line better, because I'm tired of his losing 1-2 points a game by a matter of inches.

Jordan should not be allowed to take any three pointers unless he has his feet completely set and and can get it off in rhythm.

We need to work the offense more out of CO, Jordan, or Pointer down low. Jordan looks great down there against smaller players, but we haven't seen that in weeks.

When we are in a scoring drought, the only acceptable shots should be: Harrison going to the basket, Jordan going to the basket, or Greene from a completely set, open position. Branch doesn't finish consistently, Pointer gets nervous, and CO has bad hands and tightens up in key spots.

CO should not be allowed to attempt to steal any ball at any time to eliminate ticky-tack reach-ins.

JDR has to play at some point in every first half to rest CO and keep him out of foul trouble. Shrink the game by running clock and run Harrison of a screen or two from JDR late in the shot clock.

The touch fouls to put the opponent on the line for the bonus has to stop. Teams need to earn their points.

One add on re: JDR. It not only is resting Obekpa, it's leaning a 7' body on the opposing big. Ochefu was in rare form last night with Pinkston playing Loscutoff to his Russell. For those who don't recognize the last two names, they are from the Celtics of the 50's.

 

[monte]

Season is over.

We will lose at PC which will make us 0-4. The OOC Schedule was all smoke and mirrors. Minnesota is not a top B10 team. Syracuse is down this year. What other games will we gloss over? Fordham? LBST? st. Mary's?

The problem goes deeper than Rysheed Jordan. Whether or not Jordan is here this team will be very ineffective because:

1. They are poorly coached. IMO Lavin is a major liability. With the Xs and Os, substitutions, time outs etc. He has proven to be a very below average basketball tactician. I think we all knew he wasn't Brad Stevens when he came here, but we thought that his less than stellar coaching would be compensated for by his ability to recruit, which brings me to my next point.....

2. The fact that we have at most six players who are really Division 1 players who can play significant minutes and not be a liability when they are on the court is absolutely mind boggling to me in Lavin's fifth year. lavin even had the balls to brag in an interview last week that recruiting is something he excels at. I must have missed something because the 14 class and the 15 class are the two worst recruiting classes SJU has had under any coach in my 25 years of following SJU.

Next year will be even worse. lavin had all his eggs in the Briscoe basket and when he committed to Kentucky that all but sealed our fate for 2015.

Next years team will mirror Norm Roberts' first team which to Norms credit he put together on the fly and with NCAA sanctions hanging over his head and with the majority of that class already committed. next years team will be the work of a coach who "excels at recruiting" yet we will behardpressed to find a legitimate BE player on the roster. As bad as Norms first year was, at least he had Showtime who despite his deficiencies still was a good BE talent. Next year we won't have that.

Based on what we see I doubt we will see Lavin back but this program is looking at another two to three year rebuild and a season of a lot of beat downs and "learning experiences" next year which is the lastthingourfan base and the BE wants to see.

Mind boggling to me that a guy who's strength was supposed to be recruiting has barely been able to field a team of mid-high D1 level players in 2 of his 4 years recruiting here(I'm discounting his first year with Norm's kids). No D1team should have to be looking to walk-ons, from around the country no less, to to contribute meaningful minutes. Not with all the solid talent floating around NYC and NJ. But lets face facts, for whatever reason Lavin was never able to establish ties with the local High School and AAU coaches, and its now a case of the chickens coming home to roost. IMO the chances of winning here are infinitely higher if you can recruit in the area, not to mention considerably easier and more efficient. Its most certainly not fair to all the kids who committed here with the expectation that they'd be surrounded by D1 talent. I'll be waiting for the usual replies about how hard it is to get kids to Jamaica, how are facilities are second rate, how kids want to leave town, yada, yada yada(in sticking with the Seinfeld theme). All the usual excuses that all of our previous coaches managed to overcome.

I agree w you re ; the importance of establishing good relationships w the local HS coaches. But, I don't mind getting a good recruit from Cal.as opposed to NY, and have no problem w national recruiting. What I do have a problem w is not having balanced rosters. Lavins first year he recruited almost all wings and we already had Polee on the team. It was very obvious we desperately needed a big this year, but he did not get us even 1 eligible big. We have a bench that Lavin has no confidence in. Furthermore ,people say we are loaded in the guard position, but they are all leaving this year. Recruiting a 3 star guard ,would have helped fill next years voids. Don't want to be the youngest team in America next year and were not getting Mcd. AAs like KY.. I don't mind Lavin taking risks w recruiting ,but he has to have contingency plans. I also don't think Lavin makes the best use of our bench ,although none of them are great. I really like our starters esp DLO. But Lavins "elite" recruiting class are seniors and ironically it is unlikely this year will be as sucsessfull as the one w Norms seniors ,which was much deeper and balanced.

You cannot stockpile a team with 4 + 5 star talent just recruiting locally, I agree with you on that. However you can supplement your 4 + 5 star national recruits with solid 3 star local kids, of which there seems to be a plethora of in and around the city. In light of Lavin's so-called recruiting expertise, upon his hiring I fully expected him to immediately establish ties with the local coaches. For whatever reason that never happened. I don't want to say "I told you(not you personally) so", but I've been saying from the beginning that not recruiting locally was a huge mistake. I too don't care where he gets his kids from, but he's not getting enough D1 talent from anywhere. And did he really need to travel to Fla, Cal and Italy(other then the climate) to find 2 walk-ons and AA? One other thing, Rawle Alkins was there for the taking, I still have no clue as to why we haven't been on that kid.

 

[ras]

Season is over.

We will lose at PC which will make us 0-4. The OOC Schedule was all smoke and mirrors. Minnesota is not a top B10 team. Syracuse is down this year. What other games will we gloss over? Fordham? LBST? st. Mary's?

The problem goes deeper than Rysheed Jordan. Whether or not Jordan is here this team will be very ineffective because:

1. They are poorly coached. IMO Lavin is a major liability. With the Xs and Os, substitutions, time outs etc. He has proven to be a very below average basketball tactician. I think we all knew he wasn't Brad Stevens when he came here, but we thought that his less than stellar coaching would be compensated for by his ability to recruit, which brings me to my next point.....

2. The fact that we have at most six players who are really Division 1 players who can play significant minutes and not be a liability when they are on the court is absolutely mind boggling to me in Lavin's fifth year. lavin even had the balls to brag in an interview last week that recruiting is something he excels at. I must have missed something because the 14 class and the 15 class are the two worst recruiting classes SJU has had under any coach in my 25 years of following SJU.

Next year will be even worse. lavin had all his eggs in the Briscoe basket and when he committed to Kentucky that all but sealed our fate for 2015.

Next years team will mirror Norm Roberts' first team which to Norms credit he put together on the fly and with NCAA sanctions hanging over his head and with the majority of that class already committed. next years team will be the work of a coach who "excels at recruiting" yet we will behardpressed to find a legitimate BE player on the roster. As bad as Norms first year was, at least he had Showtime who despite his deficiencies still was a good BE talent. Next year we won't have that.

Based on what we see I doubt we will see Lavin back but this program is looking at another two to three year rebuild and a season of a lot of beat downs and "learning experiences" next year which is the lastthingourfan base and the BE wants to see.

Mind boggling to me that a guy who's strength was supposed to be recruiting has barely been able to field a team of mid-high D1 level players in 2 of his 4 years recruiting here(I'm discounting his first year with Norm's kids). No D1team should have to be looking to walk-ons, from around the country no less, to to contribute meaningful minutes. Not with all the solid talent floating around NYC and NJ. But lets face facts, for whatever reason Lavin was never able to establish ties with the local High School and AAU coaches, and its now a case of the chickens coming home to roost. IMO the chances of winning here are infinitely higher if you can recruit in the area, not to mention considerably easier and more efficient. Its most certainly not fair to all the kids who committed here with the expectation that they'd be surrounded by D1 talent. I'll be waiting for the usual replies about how hard it is to get kids to Jamaica, how are facilities are second rate, how kids want to leave town, yada, yada yada(in sticking with the Seinfeld theme). All the usual excuses that all of our previous coaches managed to overcome.

I agree w you re ; the importance of establishing good relationships w the local HS coaches. But, I don't mind getting a good recruit from Cal.as opposed to NY, and have no problem w national recruiting. What I do have a problem w is not having balanced rosters. Lavins first year he recruited almost all wings and we already had Polee on the team. It was very obvious we desperately needed a big this year, but he did not get us even 1 eligible big. We have a bench that Lavin has no confidence in. Furthermore ,people say we are loaded in the guard position, but they are all leaving this year. Recruiting a 3 star guard ,would have helped fill next years voids. Don't want to be the youngest team in America next year and were not getting Mcd. AAs like KY.. I don't mind Lavin taking risks w recruiting ,but he has to have contingency plans. I also don't think Lavin makes the best use of our bench ,although none of them are great. I really like our starters esp DLO. But Lavins "elite" recruiting class are seniors and ironically it is unlikely this year will be as sucsessfull as the one w Norms seniors ,which was much deeper and balanced.

You cannot stockpile a team with 4 + 5 star talent just recruiting locally, I agree with you on that. However you can supplement your 4 + 5 star national recruits with solid 3 star local kids, of which there seems to be a plethora of in and around the city. In light of Lavin's so-called recruiting expertise, upon his hiring I fully expected him to immediately establish ties with the local coaches. For whatever reason that never happened. I don't want to say "I told you(not you personally) so", but I've been saying from the beginning that not recruiting locally was a huge mistake. I too don't care where he gets his kids from, but he's not getting enough D1 talent from anywhere. And did he really need to travel to Fla, Cal and Italy(other then the climate) to find 2 walk-ons and AA? One other thing, Rawle Alkins was there for the taking, I still have no clue as to why we haven't been on that kid.

I think we re saying the same thing. Should have had 3 star recruits and a lot of local talent slid through the cracks.

 

[Queens Quiet Skies]

The offense: We score 70 points a game. Harrison gets 20, Pointer and Greene variable in double digits, obekpa gets 6 or 8 points, Rysheed averages 13 but is an enigma. Branch gets a few.

Where is the additional offensive input going to come from to score above 70 points a game?

Unless they run Harrison into the ground - which is totally unfair. Harrison was in agony last night after a few injuries.

 

[ras]

I've come to the conclusion that our depth situation isn't as dire as it appears. The problem is Lavins utilization of our reserves. Jones proves nothing and should get minimal PT. JDR isn't much offensively,but he plays good D , rebounds and can neutralize the opponents bigs, he should be playing more. Using Jorden,JDR ,and Stewart provides us w an 8 man rotation, which is plenty. Can't expect the starters to play 40 minutes a game. Also using the subs properly will cut down on fouls. We can't afford to have Dom and CO both fouled out at the end of the game.

 

[Section3]

Even with Dom fouling out with over 9 minutes to play, Obekpa twisting his ankle, and garbage time minutes, we still played out first 6 184 minutes last night.

It is not a coincidence that we were up 52-50 with 12 minutes to play, and got outpaced 40-20 the rest of the way. 40 points in 12 minutes! That's not strategy, that's not talent, that's not heart or toughness, that's an 8 man rotation against a 6 man rotation. When playing equal or better competition, that's a major hole to be in every game.

We're a 30 minute team right now and it has nothing to do with the players. Feel horribly for them. Can't give better effort, as imperfect as the production may be from some.

Following the game-strategy of this team is like being in the twilight zone. Last year we were loaded, 10+ deep, and we didn't really embrace a 94-feet approach until Feb. 4 @ Providence once we were 2-6 in conference. This year we have 6 guys and we press the entire game! On top of that not only has it been ineffectual now that the competition level has elevated, it's been a detriment. It took less than 3 minutes for Arc to beat Branch some 70 feet from the basket, draw help, and hit Hart for an open 3 in the corner. After depth, that press may be the worst thing we have going. Get nothing out of it and wear down our already thin rotation at the same time. Sounds like a winner.

My main question would be same as it's been the last 3 years. Where are we going? I could deal with pretty much any set of circumstances in the near term if I saw a clear, sustainable, upward trajectory. It appears right now that this season will be better than next, and this season we have a 6-man rotation, effectively being willed offensively by a one-man wrecking crew (#11), needing to go 9-6 the rest of the way just to get to 9-9 in conference and 20 wins overall, still needing help in the BET to think about NCAA bid. If we aren't building upon that one year over the next, we really aren't building at all.

I believe it is quite ok to step back and objectively look at the program today and going forward without spewing venom & blame. In simplest terms, however, it is logical and appropriate to question the leadership (including our AD) of the SJU basketball program. After five years, is the program on solid ground, poised to compete & succeed on a consistent basis? Is the need to rebuild rather than reload acceptable? Is the leadership team capable of getting program on a positive track of going to dance more often than not.

If the program was a business concern, rest assured the present regime would be evaluated. One loss does not merit a knee jerk reaction. However, assuming this team fails to dance again, It is eminently fair to assess things objectively. Don't cloud the process with comparisons to past regimes nor regurgitating all the unexpected things that have plagued the program. Most programs experience those. Just fairly critique what has transpired & decide if SL & staff can get the job done. If I disagree with that decision, so be it. Life is bigger than SJU hoops.

Can't disagree...no issue with results of 1st 3 years...but we should have won last year and this year...hopefully we turn it around

 

[JohnnyFan]

At this point, I am going to direct my grievances toward the athletic director and any other applicable decision makers. I hope, at the conclusion of this season, we completely clean house and start anew.

I understand that fans are dedicated and often blinded by passion. However, over the past 18 months, it has been painfully obvious that Lavin's style and approach would be a detriment to our program. The "professionals" within the St. John's Athletic Department (Chris Monash and Co.) should have been able to see this. The time to part with Lavin was immediately after last season. Instead, the leadership looked at one glaring sign after the next and continued to "let things play out".

Now, I find it incredible that these seniors are re-living the thin roster experience of 2012. It's reprehensible and too many people saw this coming in advance. Sadly, it was not the people who are responsible for leading the program.

Disclaimer: While I am now focused on the administration. I will likely be taking shots at Lavin if he continues to insult our intelligence with these bafoonish, post-loss comments.

 

[Moose]

At this point, I am going to direct my grievances toward the athletic director and any other applicable decision makers. I hope, at the conclusion of this season, we completely clean house and start anew.

I understand that fans are dedicated and often blinded by passion. However, over the past 18 months, it has been painfully obvious that Lavin's style and approach would be a detriment to our program. The "professionals" within the St. John's Athletic Department (Chris Monash and Co.) should have been able to see this. The time to part with Lavin was immediately after last season. Instead, the leadership looked at one glaring sign after the next and continued to "let things play out".

Now, I find it incredible that these seniors are re-living the thin roster experience of 2012. It's reprehensible and too many people saw this coming in advance. Sadly, it was not the people who are responsible for leading the program.

Disclaimer: While I am now focused on the administration. I will likely be taking shots at Lavin if he continues to insult our intelligence with these bafoonish, post-loss comments.

Direct it to the new President. He holds the key to everything. He will be making his imprint on SJU as a whole and athletics being part of that.

 

[Muse]

Any way to copy this thread to the new president?

 

[beast of the east]

The offense: We score 70 points a game. Harrison gets 20, Pointer and Greene variable in double digits, obekpa gets 6 or 8 points, Rysheed averages 13 but is an enigma. Branch gets a few.

Where is the additional offensive input going to come from to score above 70 points a game?

Unless they run Harrison into the ground - which is totally unfair. Harrison was in agony last night after a few injuries.

Insignificant. If you run a half court offense and are ticking 25 seconds off the clock on each possession, and playing tight defense resulting in long possessions for opponents, less shots = less points. All that is important is scoring more than your opponent.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I'm going to air my grievance.

At the bronx pale ale booth they have 2 lines. But they need to change one of the lines to cash only because I'm tired of waiting 15 minutes for 1 damn beer just so the 2 knuckleheads in front of me can charge their drinks so they can expense them on their company