Steve Shurina

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

Our truest pure shooter may have been Kevin Loughery.

Who Fuchsia in your opinion will be our best "pure shooter" 2016/17?

It will remain Kevin Loughery!

Well Bama
1.Let me ask that question again as I'd be interested in a few opinions: who will be our purest shooter next season
AND
2.who besides Mullin, Jackson, Loughery were in or top ten pure shooting club - surely in 2000+ or so games we have had shooters...

Thanks

 

[fuchsia]

Our truest pure shooter may have been Kevin Loughery.

Who Fuchsia in your opinion will be our best "pure shooter" 2016/17?

No data to judge but guesstimate is that it would be between Mussini, Ponds, and Freudenberg. Ponds the best scorer (as opposed to pure shooter) who can get his own shot, Mussini and Freudenberg as recipients of open three opportunities that they know how to use when defenses are forced to move by penetration and passing. If we get Alkins I don't know that much about his game but it sounds like he is more of an overall player than pure shooter or scorer.

 

[Andrew]

Mostly what I remember about Shurina is that he was a whole lot better than the other St Francis Prep guard Kevin Fitzpatrick.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...to_pdf/2015-16/misc_non_event/Media-Guide.pdf

If you look at page 105 of the Media Guide you will see that Mark Jackson and Max Hooper are the only St. John's players to shoot over 40% for their career with a minimum of sixty attempts.

As for next year I expect many of our players to be the recipients of Lovett's passes to get good looks from 3. Only time will tell who will take advantage. I will go with Ponds to be the best.

 

[beast of the east]

I saw the title of this post and just had to respond. I played in grade school and high school against Steve. He played at St Sebastien and then St Francis Prep. When I got to St Johns as a freshman student Steve was in some of my classes and we hung out a bit. He was and I am sure still is a good dude. He never played much at SJU but I he certainly had the best seats in the house for some prime time SJU games. Sounds like he actually lives pretty close and I am glad to here it sounds like he is doing pretty well.

To my recollection, and correct me if I'm wrong, St. Sebastian was one of those CYO gyms with a linoleum floor - as hard as the cement below it and slippery when wet. It's amazing that more CYO kids didn't suffer severe injuries playing on those surfaces in Brooklyn and Queens. A generation later, my kids played there, and about a dozen years ago they put in a wooden floor. Some parish guys raised about $60,000 - far below what it typically costs to put in a floor, and did some of the work themselves. The guy who raised the money told me that there is actually only one company he could find in North America that paints basketball lines on courts - don't know if that's true. But the gym floor there looks great now.

 

[SJU14]

I saw the title of this post and just had to respond. I played in grade school and high school against Steve. He played at St Sebastien and then St Francis Prep. When I got to St Johns as a freshman student Steve was in some of my classes and we hung out a bit. He was and I am sure still is a good dude. He never played much at SJU but I he certainly had the best seats in the house for some prime time SJU games. Sounds like he actually lives pretty close and I am glad to here it sounds like he is doing pretty well.

To my recollection, and correct me if I'm wrong, St. Sebastian was one of those CYO gyms with a linoleum floor - as hard as the cement below it and slippery when wet. It's amazing that more CYO kids didn't suffer severe injuries playing on those surfaces in Brooklyn and Queens. A generation later, my kids played there, and about a dozen years ago they put in a wooden floor. Some parish guys raised about $60,000 - far below what it typically costs to put in a floor, and did some of the work themselves. The guy who raised the money told me that there is actually only one company he could find in North America that paints basketball lines on courts - don't know if that's true. But the gym floor there looks great now.

I tore my ACL playing on one of those linoleum floors in CYO. All the floor needs is a little bit of water for something bad to happen.

 

[Ray Morgan]

Our truest pure shooter may have been Kevin Loughery.

Who Fuchsia in your opinion will be our best "pure shooter" 2016/17?

It will remain Kevin Loughery!

Well Bama
1.Let me ask that question again as I'd be interested in a few opinions: who will be our purest shooter next season
AND
2.who besides Mullin, Jackson, Loughery were in or top ten pure shooting club - surely in 2000+ or so games we have had shooters...

Thanks

From 20 feet and in, Billy Schaeffer was the best shooter I have seen at SJU. Anyone that can shoot close to 60% in a season as the team's only real scoring threat, with every defense focusing on him is proof enough.

 

[Porgyman]

Mostly what I remember about Shurina is that he was a whole lot better than the other St Francis Prep guard Kevin Fitzpatrick.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...to_pdf/2015-16/misc_non_event/Media-Guide.pdf

If you look at page 105 of the Media Guide you will see that Mark Jackson and Max Hooper are the only St. John's players to shoot over 40% for their career with a minimum of sixty attempts.

As for next year I expect many of our players to be the recipients of Lovett's passes to get good looks from 3. Only time will tell who will take advantage. I will go with Ponds to be the best.

The media guide is incorrect. Kevin Williams shot 53% during his career. 259-486. From my recollection, he may have been our best shooter. He definitely was a great scorer that mysteriously spent too much time on the bench.

 

[Ray Morgan]

Mostly what I remember about Shurina is that he was a whole lot better than the other St Francis Prep guard Kevin Fitzpatrick.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...to_pdf/2015-16/misc_non_event/Media-Guide.pdf

If you look at page 105 of the Media Guide you will see that Mark Jackson and Max Hooper are the only St. John's players to shoot over 40% for their career with a minimum of sixty attempts.

As for next year I expect many of our players to be the recipients of Lovett's passes to get good looks from 3. Only time will tell who will take advantage. I will go with Ponds to be the best.

The media guide is incorrect. Kevin Williams shot 53% during his career. 259-486. From my recollection, he may have been our best shooter. He definitely was a great scorer that mysteriously spent too much time on the bench.

Kevin would dominate in practice. No one could keep up with him, least of all Bob Kelly with his torn up knees. KW must have pissed off Looie for some reason.

 

[redken]

Mostly what I remember about Shurina is that he was a whole lot better than the other St Francis Prep guard Kevin Fitzpatrick.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...to_pdf/2015-16/misc_non_event/Media-Guide.pdf

If you look at page 105 of the Media Guide you will see that Mark Jackson and Max Hooper are the only St. John's players to shoot over 40% for their career with a minimum of sixty attempts.

As for next year I expect many of our players to be the recipients of Lovett's passes to get good looks from 3. Only time will tell who will take advantage. I will go with Ponds to be the best.

The media guide is incorrect. Kevin Williams shot 53% during his career. 259-486. From my recollection, he may have been our best shooter. He definitely was a great scorer that mysteriously spent too much time on the bench.

You're mixing apples and oranges. The shooting percentages cited for Jackson and Hooper are for 3-point attempts; the 53% you're citing for Kevin Williams are for FG attempts. There were no 3-pointers when Kevin played at St. John's.

 

[salty dog]

We have always been a warm-up shooting challenged team which as translated into a poor outside shooting, 3 point shooting, and free throw shooting team. I have been going to SJU games for over 40 years and the opposing team always out shoots in warm-ups.

I remember watching warm-ups at a game years ago at the Garden. St. John's was playing PENN in the Holiday Festival when Fran Dunphy was coach. I was amazed at the shooting quality of that PENN team. They hardly missed.
Needless to say the beat St,.John's handily to win the Festival.

 

[Porgyman]

Mostly what I remember about Shurina is that he was a whole lot better than the other St Francis Prep guard Kevin Fitzpatrick.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...to_pdf/2015-16/misc_non_event/Media-Guide.pdf

If you look at page 105 of the Media Guide you will see that Mark Jackson and Max Hooper are the only St. John's players to shoot over 40% for their career with a minimum of sixty attempts.

As for next year I expect many of our players to be the recipients of Lovett's passes to get good looks from 3. Only time will tell who will take advantage. I will go with Ponds to be the best.

The media guide is incorrect. Kevin Williams shot 53% during his career. 259-486. From my recollection, he may have been our best shooter. He definitely was a great scorer that mysteriously spent too much time on the bench.

You're mixing apples and oranges. The shooting percentages cited for Jackson and Hooper are for 3-point attempts; the 53% you're citing for Kevin Williams are for FG attempts. There were no 3-pointers when Kevin played at St. John's.

Thanks! I didn't realize that the first data set was for 3 point shots, only. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[we are sju]

Mostly what I remember about Shurina is that he was a whole lot better than the other St Francis Prep guard Kevin Fitzpatrick.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...to_pdf/2015-16/misc_non_event/Media-Guide.pdf

If you look at page 105 of the Media Guide you will see that Mark Jackson and Max Hooper are the only St. John's players to shoot over 40% for their career with a minimum of sixty attempts.

As for next year I expect many of our players to be the recipients of Lovett's passes to get good looks from 3. Only time will tell who will take advantage. I will go with Ponds to be the best.

The media guide is incorrect. Kevin Williams shot 53% during his career. 259-486. From my recollection, he may have been our best shooter. He definitely was a great scorer that mysteriously spent too much time on the bench.

Kevin would dominate in practice. No one could keep up with him, least of all Bob Kelly with his torn up knees. KW must have pissed off Looie for some reason.

Mentioned this before but I was the ball boy for the Staten Island Stallions in USBL and Kevin Williams was the best player in the league. Hot Rod Williams and Ken the Animal Bannister were on his team and he still led the team in scoring. Think he was 1st or 2nd in the league. He was also a terrible guy so that might explain it.
BTW Billy Goodwin who played much more than Williams on those ST John's teams never got off the bench for the Jersey team. Real good guy though and let a 13 year old kid talk his ear off about ST John's for an entire game.

 

[Andrew]

Mostly what I remember about Shurina is that he was a whole lot better than the other St Francis Prep guard Kevin Fitzpatrick.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...to_pdf/2015-16/misc_non_event/Media-Guide.pdf

If you look at page 105 of the Media Guide you will see that Mark Jackson and Max Hooper are the only St. John's players to shoot over 40% for their career with a minimum of sixty attempts.

As for next year I expect many of our players to be the recipients of Lovett's passes to get good looks from 3. Only time will tell who will take advantage. I will go with Ponds to be the best.

The media guide is incorrect. Kevin Williams shot 53% during his career. 259-486. From my recollection, he may have been our best shooter. He definitely was a great scorer that mysteriously spent too much time on the bench.

I meant three pointers. Kevin Williams one of my all time favorite players, played before the three point shot.

 

[GardenCity62]

Anybody who watched a SJU game when Williams and Kelly were playing wondered how Kelly was getting minutes. Back then no one questioned Looie including the writers who covered the team.
Today it would probably be a different story.

 

[paultzman]

Anybody who watched a SJU game when Williams and Kelly were playing wondered how Kelly was getting minutes. Back then no one questioned Looie including the writers who covered the team.
Today it would probably be a different story.

Kelly was perhaps my least favorite Johnny, drove me crazy with the time he was given.

 

[bamafan]

Anybody who watched a SJU game when Williams and Kelly were playing wondered how Kelly was getting minutes. Back then no one questioned Looie including the writers who covered the team.
Today it would probably be a different story.

Probably even Bobby Kelly wondered why. Kelly would kill us at foul line especially late in games. Think he was around 50% either overall or late game situations. I know my friends and I all questioned it but heard later about KW not being a good guy (word was he pulled a knife on Walter Berry in the locker room) and knowing Louie could see why it cost him PT.

 

[we are sju]

Anybody who watched a SJU game when Williams and Kelly were playing wondered how Kelly was getting minutes. Back then no one questioned Looie including the writers who covered the team.
Today it would probably be a different story.

Probably even Bobby Kelly wondered why. Kelly would kill us at foul line especially late in games. Think he was around 50% either overall or late game situations. I know my friends and I all questioned it but heard later about KW not being a good guy (word was he pulled a knife on Walter Berry in the locker room) and knowing Louie could see why it cost him PT.

One time coach on SI Stallions forgot his name but was not a big time coach and got fired half way through the year subbed out Williams. Kevin said no. Sub looked confused as did ref. Williams stayed in game and sub sheepishly walked back to bench.

 

[beast of the east]

Anybody who watched a SJU game when Williams and Kelly were playing wondered how Kelly was getting minutes. Back then no one questioned Looie including the writers who covered the team.
Today it would probably be a different story.

Probably even Bobby Kelly wondered why. Kelly would kill us at foul line especially late in games. Think he was around 50% either overall or late game situations. I know my friends and I all questioned it but heard later about KW not being a good guy (word was he pulled a knife on Walter Berry in the locker room) and knowing Louie could see why it cost him PT.

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[beast of the east]

Anybody who watched a SJU game when Williams and Kelly were playing wondered how Kelly was getting minutes. Back then no one questioned Looie including the writers who covered the team.
Today it would probably be a different story.

Probably even Bobby Kelly wondered why. Kelly would kill us at foul line especially late in games. Think he was around 50% either overall or late game situations. I know my friends and I all questioned it but heard later about KW not being a good guy (word was he pulled a knife on Walter Berry in the locker room) and knowing Louie could see why it cost him PT.

One time coach on SI Stallions forgot his name but was not a big time coach and got fired half way through the year subbed out Williams. Kevin said no. Sub looked confused as did ref. Williams stayed in game and sub sheepishly walked back to bench.

In DiMaggio's final year Stengel tried to sub a defensive replacement for him late in the game, but didn't get to DiMaggio in the dugout. When an outfielder (Mantle maybe?) trotted out to center with a glove and met DiMaggio, DiMaggio growled at him to go back to the dugout and if the old man wanted to take DiMaggio out he should come out to centerfield himself to do so. Stengel stayed put, and DiMaggio stayed in.

 

[fun]

One time coach on SI Stallions forgot his name but was not a big time coach and got fired half way through the year subbed out Williams. Kevin said no. Sub looked confused as did ref. Williams stayed in game and sub sheepishly walked back to bench.

I don't remember where I heard this, it might have been from Charley Rosen, but anyway Walter Berry was playing in some league at Rucker or somewhere with Kenny Hutchinson and the game was tied with a few seconds left and the coach drew up a play designed to go to Gary Springer or Richie Adams or someone and Berry told Hutchinson that if he, Hutchinson, did not pass the ball inside to him, Berry, that he, Berry, would "kill" him, Hutchinson. Which pass Hutchinson made, which play Berry scored on. Because he, Berry, was Berry.