As I have said about him in the open practice--he was unimpressive big who looked like he did not want to mix it up but wanted to shoot deep 2's. CMA did the right thing-he does not suffer fools lightly.
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SJU2000alum15
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Coach did the right thing if he’s not attending classes and not working hard in practice then he should not be on the team! Let him transfer and use that ship on a player that actually wants to be here and help the team!
I noticed early (back to when they were doing pre-season scrimmages) every time Steere's name came up to coach he referenced some variation of needs to get in better shape. There was a disconnect from the beginning. Clearly best for him and team to move on
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[quote="BrooklynRed" post=376934]As I have said about him in the open practice--he was unimpressive big who looked like he did not want to mix it up but wanted to shoot deep 2's. CMA did the right thing-he does not suffer fools lightly.[/quote]
To the staffs credit they saw right away that he was a problem. That's why it took time to get him in a game.. Why else do you not play a kid with his size 2 seconds after he's eligible.
To the staffs credit they saw right away that he was a problem. That's why it took time to get him in a game.. Why else do you not play a kid with his size 2 seconds after he's eligible.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Paultzman" post=376942]One requisite of playing for Anderson is attending class and he has implemented an air tight oversight process.[/quote]
Coach Carter!
Coach Carter!
[quote="MJDinkins" post=376717][quote="Delaware" post=376714]Wow. You can't make this stuff up with this program. Always something.[/quote]
Hell! It's not like he was contributing. He was numero uno on my list of transfers. I've long believed he was done after this season.[/quote]
He was done shortly after he became eligible. His demeanor and body language on the bench and in TOs spoke volumes. The best move he ever made as a St.J player was when he carried Heron into the locker room after he twisted his ankle against Columbia.
Hell! It's not like he was contributing. He was numero uno on my list of transfers. I've long believed he was done after this season.[/quote]
He was done shortly after he became eligible. His demeanor and body language on the bench and in TOs spoke volumes. The best move he ever made as a St.J player was when he carried Heron into the locker room after he twisted his ankle against Columbia.
QueensBall
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Feel bad for Steere (and genuinely hope things work out for the guy down the road) but really like that Coach Anderson is establishing a standard and holding the line. He pulled Champagnie & Heron from the starting line up at different times, took away Roberts minutes when he struggled. All moves that send a signal. Guys who come back next year now know (and will let the new guys know I'm sure) that this coach expects a certain level of effort and will move to the next guy if he's not getting it from you, regardless of talent-level.
Every coach talks about building a "winning culture" but not every coach is willing to go through the social awkwardness and unpleasantness of telling players who have been treated special since middle school (and parents who sent their kid to your program) that they aren't cutting it. I've never been paid to coach basketball but I imagine that like in other lines of work, maintaining a culture is easier than establishing it. Establishing the culture is the painful part. It doesn't exist just because you declare it so.
Gonna need a new solution for front court depth though....
Every coach talks about building a "winning culture" but not every coach is willing to go through the social awkwardness and unpleasantness of telling players who have been treated special since middle school (and parents who sent their kid to your program) that they aren't cutting it. I've never been paid to coach basketball but I imagine that like in other lines of work, maintaining a culture is easier than establishing it. Establishing the culture is the painful part. It doesn't exist just because you declare it so.
Gonna need a new solution for front court depth though....
Hard to feel bad for Steere when it’s his own doing. The kid has physical tools. He made his bed. It’s always been his choice to work hard and follow the rules or not. Time to move on from him. I too wish him luck, but more than that I hope he learns to grind and earn what’s coming to him.
RedmanMike
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[quote="MainMan" post=377006]Such a shame.
Thought his build plus his high school pedigree would have lead to a solid player for us.[/quote]
Looks like you did more research on him than the prior staff did!
Thought his build plus his high school pedigree would have lead to a solid player for us.[/quote]
Looks like you did more research on him than the prior staff did!
Could we please stop trashing these young men most of us have never met, not just Steere but in general? Lord knows I was an a**hole at that age (I still am, btw). Let's give them more time to mature into the men they will be.
JohnnyFever
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We've had decent luck recently with JUCO's e.g. LJ and Ahmed. We've had decent luck with guards recently with Ponds, D'Lo, even Green was a decent guard who went off every so often. Sheed was good until his off court issues. But when it comes to bigs, we literally have the worst luck. Obekpa was a great shot blocker but he was immature and derailed us before tourney with the weed. Orlando Sanchez was supposed to be better. Keita was a nightmare. De La Rosa brother nightmare. Brooks nightmare. Keith Thomas transcript fraud nightmare. Could've had Femi but Mullin didn't care nightmare. Then we finally look like we may have a decent big in Steere and he turns out to be just another nightmare. I want Gray really bad, but I also expect the worst regarding bigs given our recent history with them. Has any other team in the Big East had luck this bad at one specific position?
Very hard to refute this in that it seems to be an annual woe that we have no bigs and the ones we land stink or are head cases. It has been perplexing, but in the past (before Mullin), I attributed this to the recruiting approach of eschewing them in favor of "athletes". Of course, Chris' "positionless basketball" approach failed and, well, basketball is basketball, and you need to have a balanced team on the floor. Hopefully CMA's approach is different (seems to be) and we can start to have a more balanced recruiting strategy. Maybe Moore will turn out to be a good start (along with the developing Roberts) and if we could add one more for next year (Gray???? praying) I would be happy to see it.
"Mike Zaun" post=377085]We've had decent luck recently with JUCO's e.g. LJ and Ahmed. We've had decent luck with guards recently with Ponds, D'Lo, even Green was a decent guard who went off every so often. Sheed was good until his off court issues. But when it comes to bigs, we literally have the worst luck. Obekpa was a great shot blocker but he was immature and derailed us before tourney with the weed. Orlando Sanchez was supposed to be better. Keita was a nightmare. De La Rosa brother nightmare. Brooks nightmare. Keith Thomas transcript fraud nightmare. Could've had Femi but Mullin didn't care nightmare. Then we finally look like we may have a decent big in Steere and he turns out to be just another nightmare. I want Gray really bad, but I also expect the worst regarding bigs given our recent history with them. Has any other team in the Big East had luck this bad at one specific position?[/quote]
"Mike Zaun" post=377085]We've had decent luck recently with JUCO's e.g. LJ and Ahmed. We've had decent luck with guards recently with Ponds, D'Lo, even Green was a decent guard who went off every so often. Sheed was good until his off court issues. But when it comes to bigs, we literally have the worst luck. Obekpa was a great shot blocker but he was immature and derailed us before tourney with the weed. Orlando Sanchez was supposed to be better. Keita was a nightmare. De La Rosa brother nightmare. Brooks nightmare. Keith Thomas transcript fraud nightmare. Could've had Femi but Mullin didn't care nightmare. Then we finally look like we may have a decent big in Steere and he turns out to be just another nightmare. I want Gray really bad, but I also expect the worst regarding bigs given our recent history with them. Has any other team in the Big East had luck this bad at one specific position?[/quote]
JohnnyFever
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Oh wow I just realized I forgot Jessica. Add that one to the list. We are due for Joel Embiid the way things have gone for us!
Joe Tempesta
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As we list JUCO successes, let's remember Dwight Hardy. He was a three point machine. Would love to find tw or three Hardys next year.
Ray Morgan
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Good bigs are like rare coins. All the well heeled collectors fight over them. What's left are some raw bigs that need a lot of time to develop, and some guys with talent but a lot of baggage. You hope for the best, but very often it doesn't work out.
Anthony Mattia
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[quote="Ray Morgan" post=377091]Good bigs are like rare coins. All the well heeled collectors fight over them. What's left are some raw bigs that need a lot of time to develop, and some guys with talent but a lot of baggage. You hope for the best, but very often it doesn't work out.[/quote]
I agree Ray. I think the key is to get a big every class. By the third year you (hopefully) have a junior that has developed into a decent big, with guys coming behind him every year. We have not recruited even raw bigs consistently, nor have we had a coaching staff that actually develops players, or the continuity of a coaching staff to do so. Hopefully the coaching staff piece has changed (I believe it has), so now we just have to wait...again. I said it in another thread and still believe it to be true, we are on the right track but it will take 3 years to get there.
I agree Ray. I think the key is to get a big every class. By the third year you (hopefully) have a junior that has developed into a decent big, with guys coming behind him every year. We have not recruited even raw bigs consistently, nor have we had a coaching staff that actually develops players, or the continuity of a coaching staff to do so. Hopefully the coaching staff piece has changed (I believe it has), so now we just have to wait...again. I said it in another thread and still believe it to be true, we are on the right track but it will take 3 years to get there.
[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=377093][quote="Ray Morgan" post=377091]Good bigs are like rare coins. All the well heeled collectors fight over them. What's left are some raw bigs that need a lot of time to develop, and some guys with talent but a lot of baggage. You hope for the best, but very often it doesn't work out.[/quote]
I agree Ray. I think the key is to get a big every class. By the third year you (hopefully) have a junior that has developed into a decent big, with guys coming behind him every year. We have not recruited even raw bigs consistently, nor have we had a coaching staff that actually develops players, or the continuity of a coaching staff to do so. Hopefully the coaching staff piece has changed (I believe it has), so now we just have to wait...again. I said it in another thread and still believe it to be true, we are on the right track but it will take 3 years to get there.[/quote]
One per year approach seems to make sense but probably has extra value if 2 of the 4 are power forwards who can slide over to the 5.
I agree Ray. I think the key is to get a big every class. By the third year you (hopefully) have a junior that has developed into a decent big, with guys coming behind him every year. We have not recruited even raw bigs consistently, nor have we had a coaching staff that actually develops players, or the continuity of a coaching staff to do so. Hopefully the coaching staff piece has changed (I believe it has), so now we just have to wait...again. I said it in another thread and still believe it to be true, we are on the right track but it will take 3 years to get there.[/quote]
One per year approach seems to make sense but probably has extra value if 2 of the 4 are power forwards who can slide over to the 5.
Anthony Mattia
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[quote="fuchsia" post=377094][quote="Anthony Mattia" post=377093][quote="Ray Morgan" post=377091]Good bigs are like rare coins. All the well heeled collectors fight over them. What's left are some raw bigs that need a lot of time to develop, and some guys with talent but a lot of baggage. You hope for the best, but very often it doesn't work out.[/quote]
I agree Ray. I think the key is to get a big every class. By the third year you (hopefully) have a junior that has developed into a decent big, with guys coming behind him every year. We have not recruited even raw bigs consistently, nor have we had a coaching staff that actually develops players, or the continuity of a coaching staff to do so. Hopefully the coaching staff piece has changed (I believe it has), so now we just have to wait...again. I said it in another thread and still believe it to be true, we are on the right track but it will take 3 years to get there.[/quote]
One per year approach seems to make sense but probably has extra value if 2 of the 4 are power forwards who can slide over to the 5.[/quote]
Agreed, and I should have said a minimum of 1 per year.
I agree Ray. I think the key is to get a big every class. By the third year you (hopefully) have a junior that has developed into a decent big, with guys coming behind him every year. We have not recruited even raw bigs consistently, nor have we had a coaching staff that actually develops players, or the continuity of a coaching staff to do so. Hopefully the coaching staff piece has changed (I believe it has), so now we just have to wait...again. I said it in another thread and still believe it to be true, we are on the right track but it will take 3 years to get there.[/quote]
One per year approach seems to make sense but probably has extra value if 2 of the 4 are power forwards who can slide over to the 5.[/quote]
Agreed, and I should have said a minimum of 1 per year.