Starting line up for 2012-13

I think that Pointer could be in better basketball shape at the start of the season since Amir will be playing a lot of baseball. Plus, like other poster's have said, the addition of Amir was a great help last season and helped illustrated dedication to the program. But so did Pointer's efforts (especially defensively), and I think that Lavin will give him the "incumbent" status at least to start since he started pretty much the entire 2011-12 season.

After a slow start, Amir really made some great adjustments to Big East play last season, and ultimately believe he'll win the starting spot when it matters.
 
 a lot of great conjecture but i think with the exception of harrison i see a numer of peolle sharing and getting decent minutes so i don't know that what the starting lineup is matters atm ( imho). With the different syyles of play within our conference different people will see more or less minutes depending onthe opponent. I could see lineups with sanchez and obekp in. I couldsee line ups,lets say at the end of a tight game we are winning or while being full court pressed where greene, harison and branch are on the court. This is probably the most versatile line up i can remember us having.
 
 I like your thinking and believe in that philosophy, but Sampson will start from the word "go". Sampson wants to be a one-and-done guy, or go after his sophomore year. To be honest, Lavin probably does too (although he'd love that 2nd year), it does nothing but add to his credibility in recruiting going forward. Sampson made it pretty clear that he came to SJU because of the NBA coaching tree.

I think his size and athleticism will position him in the starting line-up and play close to 30 minutes per game. He's probably the second most talented kid on the team (granted he is behind in experience, but pure talent).

Anyway, my projected starting line-up for 1st game of season:

C: Gift
PF Sampson
SF Pointer
SG Harrison
PG Greene

Starting line-up for majority of BE play

C: Sanchez (Gift off the bench) - clearly not paying a true "C" position.
PF Sampson
SF Garrett
SG Harrison
PG Branch
Click to expand...
 

Gift over both Sanchez and Obekpa? Even at the start of the season, I'd have to consider that a dissapointment.
 
 I like your thinking and believe in that philosophy, but Sampson will start from the word "go". Sampson wants to be a one-and-done guy, or go after his sophomore year. To be honest, Lavin probably does too (although he'd love that 2nd year), it does nothing but add to his credibility in recruiting going forward. Sampson made it pretty clear that he came to SJU because of the NBA coaching tree.

I think his size and athleticism will position him in the starting line-up and play close to 30 minutes per game. He's probably the second most talented kid on the team (granted he is behind in experience, but pure talent).

Anyway, my projected starting line-up for 1st game of season:

C: Gift
PF Sampson
SF Pointer
SG Harrison
PG Greene

Starting line-up for majority of BE play

C: Sanchez (Gift off the bench) - clearly not paying a true "C" position.
PF Sampson
SF Garrett
SG Harrison
PG Branch
Click to expand...
 

Gift over both Sanchez and Obekpa? Even at the start of the season, I'd have to consider that a dissapointment.
Click to expand...
 


Gift can play a little bit. Kid double-doubled against Kentucky. Give him some credit. No problem with him starting. He fought the wars last year. He averaged 9.4 and 5.8 per game. It baffles me how some really downplaying him to the point that hea not considered serviceable. As the season wears on, I think we will favor the younger guys and smaller lineups, but for now he's a known commodity and not a liability.
 
 a lot of great conjecture but i think with the exception of harrison i see a numer of peolle sharing and getting decent minutes so i don't know that what the starting lineup is matters atm ( imho). With the different syyles of play within our conference different people will see more or less minutes depending onthe opponent. I could see lineups with sanchez and obekp in. I couldsee line ups,lets say at the end of a tight game we are winning or while being full court pressed where greene, harison and branch are on the court. This is probably the most versatile line up i can remember us having.
Click to expand...
 

When you talk press you can't forget Pointer.
 
Guess I'm in the minority here but this is my projected starting lineup:

C- Gift
PF- Sanchez
SF- Sampson
SG- Harrison
PG- Greene

Branch taking the starting PG spot around late Jan/early Feb. Obekpa will get starts against bigger lineups (Louisville, Cuse, Pitt, etc).

I think people may be forgetting that Sanchez has the most experience (besides Gift). I think he's too skilled not to be in the starting lineup and his versatility to guard multiple positions is a plus.

I think Pointer will be the first kid off the bench and Harrison will have to run the point early on with Branch being out.
 
 I like your thinking and believe in that philosophy, but Sampson will start from the word "go". Sampson wants to be a one-and-done guy, or go after his sophomore year. To be honest, Lavin probably does too (although he'd love that 2nd year), it does nothing but add to his credibility in recruiting going forward. Sampson made it pretty clear that he came to SJU because of the NBA coaching tree.

I think his size and athleticism will position him in the starting line-up and play close to 30 minutes per game. He's probably the second most talented kid on the team (granted he is behind in experience, but pure talent).

Anyway, my projected starting line-up for 1st game of season:

C: Gift
PF Sampson
SF Pointer
SG Harrison
PG Greene

Starting line-up for majority of BE play

C: Sanchez (Gift off the bench) - clearly not paying a true "C" position.
PF Sampson
SF Garrett
SG Harrison
PG Branch
Click to expand...
 

Gift over both Sanchez and Obekpa? Even at the start of the season, I'd have to consider that a dissapointment.
Click to expand...
 

Gift can play a little bit. Kid double-doubled against Kentucky. Give him some credit. No problem with him starting. He fought the wars last year. He averaged 9.4 and 5.8 per game. It baffles me how some really downplaying him to the point that hea not considered serviceable. As the season wears on, I think we will favor the younger guys and smaller lineups, but for now he's a known commodity and not a liability.
Click to expand...
 

He's definatly servicable. My favorite memory of him last year, was the Nova game, when he drew 5 or 6 charges. Unfortunatly, he also had 2 points, and no boards (something like that). I see your argument, but I still think he comes off the bench right away, or at least, the Sanchez/Obekpa combo gets most of the minutes. If those guys hit foul trouble, the opening for Gift is there. 

Also, I wouldn't bank on Pointer losing his starting spot in the second half of the year. If he puts in the work needed on his offensive game (and I think he will), what a weapon he becomes. He's the perfect fit for the full-court pressure defense that I believe Lavin and Dunlap want to play (thankfully, I think last year's zone is going out the window).
 
I think Sir'Dom and Amir are fighting for the starting SF spot and that Sampson will play the 4 position. If Sanchez starts I think it would be at C. Felix will get little playing time this year. From what I heard he is still raw and has work to do but, who knows. Its great to see this type of "hockey style team" Just make the line-ups in practice and put the same lines in. That would be crazy but, with the talent and depth there is. It just might happen.
 
I think Sir'Dom and Amir are fighting for the starting SF spot and that Sampson will play the 4 position. If Sanchez starts I think it would be at C. Felix will get little playing time this year. From what I heard he is still raw and has work to do but, who knows. Its great to see this type of "hockey style team" Just make the line-ups in practice and put the same lines in. That would be crazy but, with the talent and depth there is. It just might happen.
Click to expand...
 

That's why I think we are going to press fullcourt. That tends to wear out guys, so having a full 2nd unit really helps. Lavin can tell them "play hard for the next 5 minutes or so, always try to make plays, because you're coming out irregardless."
 
 I like your thinking and believe in that philosophy, but Sampson will start from the word "go". Sampson wants to be a one-and-done guy, or go after his sophomore year. To be honest, Lavin probably does too (although he'd love that 2nd year), it does nothing but add to his credibility in recruiting going forward. Sampson made it pretty clear that he came to SJU because of the NBA coaching tree.

I think his size and athleticism will position him in the starting line-up and play close to 30 minutes per game. He's probably the second most talented kid on the team (granted he is behind in experience, but pure talent).

Anyway, my projected starting line-up for 1st game of season:

C: Gift
PF Sampson
SF Pointer
SG Harrison
PG Greene

Starting line-up for majority of BE play

C: Sanchez (Gift off the bench) - clearly not paying a true "C" position.
PF Sampson
SF Garrett
SG Harrison
PG Branch
Click to expand...
 

Gift over both Sanchez and Obekpa? Even at the start of the season, I'd have to consider that a dissapointment.
Click to expand...
 

Gift can play a little bit. Kid double-doubled against Kentucky. Give him some credit. No problem with him starting. He fought the wars last year. He averaged 9.4 and 5.8 per game. It baffles me how some really downplaying him to the point that hea not considered serviceable. As the season wears on, I think we will favor the younger guys and smaller lineups, but for now he's a known commodity and not a liability.
Click to expand...
 

He's definatly servicable. My favorite memory of him last year, was the Nova game, when he drew 5 or 6 charges. Unfortunatly, he also had 2 points, and no boards (something like that). I see your argument, but I still think he comes off the bench right away, or at least, the Sanchez/Obekpa combo gets most of the minutes. If those guys hit foul trouble, the opening for Gift is there. 

Also, I wouldn't bank on Pointer losing his starting spot in the second half of the year. If he puts in the work needed on his offensive game (and I think he will), what a weapon he becomes. He's the perfect fit for the full-court pressure defense that I believe Lavin and Dunlap want to play (thankfully, I think last year's zone is going out the window).
Click to expand...
 


I love Pointer's hustle, athleticism and defensive ability
But he graduated from the Willie Glass School of Jump Shooting
He's dangerous in the open court and driving to the hoop but he can't shoot the ball at all
If he develops a mid-range jumper, he can potentially be a really good all around player
Right now, he is a liability in a half court offensive set
 
 a lot of great conjecture but i think with the exception of harrison i see a numer of peolle sharing and getting decent minutes so i don't know that what the starting lineup is matters atm ( imho). With the different syyles of play within our conference different people will see more or less minutes depending onthe opponent. I could see lineups with sanchez and obekp in. I couldsee line ups,lets say at the end of a tight game we are winning or while being full court pressed where greene, harison and branch are on the court. This is probably the most versatile line up i can remember us having.
Click to expand...
 

When you talk press you can't forget Pointer.
Click to expand...
 

absolutely true...I was thinking more about us breaking opposing presses versus us using our own.
 
SJU61982 wrote:
He's definatly servicable. My favorite memory of him last year, was the Nova game, when he drew 5 or 6 charges. Unfortunatly, he also had 2 points, and no boards (something like that). I see your argument, but I still think he comes off the bench right away, or at least, the Sanchez/Obekpa combo gets most of the minutes. If those guys hit foul trouble, the opening for Gift is there. 

Also, I wouldn't bank on Pointer losing his starting spot in the second half of the year. If he puts in the work needed on his offensive game (and I think he will), what a weapon he becomes. He's the perfect fit for the full-court pressure defense that I believe Lavin and Dunlap want to play (thankfully, I think last year's zone is going out the window).[/quote

Gift was good in the Nova game, but the 10 minute stretch he had at DePaul was my favorite. His defense, quickness and intensity (including that crazy reverse dunk) were at it's best. If he can bring that type of intensity off the bench for 12-15 minutes per game, he'll have a good year. 
 
My thoughts...

3'Lo is untouchable in the starting lineup, and I'm not sure I could find a 2G in the country I'd pick over this kid. I think there are so many posters selling Amir Garrett short. The kid has it all and he will not be kept on the bench--he's my #2 lock after 3'Lo. He D's up with the best of them, he was our second best offensive rebounder last year, he can take the ball to the tin very well as a secondary scoring option, I think he has as a ton of potential as a spotup shooter--probably to the tune of about 34% this coming season--he spreads the ball around, has good vision, and he's proven that his bball IQ is very high. Guys like Pointer and Gift treat the ball like a hot potato and are so hurried, but Garret is very controlled and deliberate. He's a very strong kid--our second heaviest player--and looks like a born leader on the court. Nobody else on the roster does as many things well as this kid.

Next lock...Orlando Sanchez. He'll likely be the tallest player on the roster at a legit 6'9, with great length and athleticism, and the ability to defend multiple positions. He also has two years of college and world baketball experience.  I think we'll see a lot of Sanchez and Garrett down low.

GG is a backup. There is about as nice as I can put it. He really pissed me off at times missing all of his bunnies. He looks really good in spurts--really good--but he hurts the team playing extended minutes. He is the definition of a role player.

Obekpa is going to need time. I wouldn't expect much from him this season. I'd say three fouls, two blocks, and just over a turnover a game is a very safe prediction for him.

My starting lineup to start it off:

Greene
Harrison
Pointer
Garret
Sanchez

I could see Branch-Harrison-Wood-Garrett-Sanchez by the end of the season, but maybe Lav wants to keep Wood for some scoring pop off the bench.
 
My thoughts...

3'Lo is untouchable in the starting lineup, and I'm not sure I could find a 2G in the country I'd pick over this kid. I think there are so many posters selling Amir Garrett short. The kid has it all and he will not be kept on the bench--he's my #2 lock after 3'Lo. He D's up with the best of them, he was our second best offensive rebounder last year, he can take the ball to the tin very well as a secondary scoring option, I think he has as a ton of potential as a spotup shooter--probably to the tune of about 34% this coming season--he spreads the ball around, has good vision, and he's proven that his bball IQ is very high. Guys like Pointer and Gift treat the ball like a hot potato and are so hurried, but Garret is very controlled and deliberate. He's a very strong kid--our second heaviest player--and looks like a born leader on the court. Nobody else on the roster does as many things well as this kid.

Next lock...Orlando Sanchez. He'll likely be the tallest player on the roster at a legit 6'9, with great length and athleticism, and the ability to defend multiple positions. He also has two years of college and world baketball experience.  I think we'll see a lot of Sanchez and Garrett down low.

GG is a backup. There is about as nice as I can put it. He really pissed me off at times missing all of his bunnies. He looks really good in spurts--really good--but he hurts the team playing extended minutes. He is the definition of a role player.

Obekpa is going to need time. I wouldn't expect much from him this season. I'd say three fouls, two blocks, and just over a turnover a game is a very safe prediction for him.

My starting lineup to start it off:

Greene
Harrison
Pointer
Garret
Sanchez

I could see Branch-Harrison-Wood-Garrett-Sanchez by the end of the season, but maybe Lav wants to keep Wood for some scoring pop off the bench.
Click to expand...
 

I guess Jakarr is a bench warmer?
 
My thoughts...

3'Lo is untouchable in the starting lineup, and I'm not sure I could find a 2G in the country I'd pick over this kid. I think there are so many posters selling Amir Garrett short. The kid has it all and he will not be kept on the bench--he's my #2 lock after 3'Lo. He D's up with the best of them, he was our second best offensive rebounder last year, he can take the ball to the tin very well as a secondary scoring option, I think he has as a ton of potential as a spotup shooter--probably to the tune of about 34% this coming season--he spreads the ball around, has good vision, and he's proven that his bball IQ is very high. Guys like Pointer and Gift treat the ball like a hot potato and are so hurried, but Garret is very controlled and deliberate. He's a very strong kid--our second heaviest player--and looks like a born leader on the court. Nobody else on the roster does as many things well as this kid.

Next lock...Orlando Sanchez. He'll likely be the tallest player on the roster at a legit 6'9, with great length and athleticism, and the ability to defend multiple positions. He also has two years of college and world baketball experience.  I think we'll see a lot of Sanchez and Garrett down low.

GG is a backup. There is about as nice as I can put it. He really pissed me off at times missing all of his bunnies. He looks really good in spurts--really good--but he hurts the team playing extended minutes. He is the definition of a role player.

Obekpa is going to need time. I wouldn't expect much from him this season. I'd say three fouls, two blocks, and just over a turnover a game is a very safe prediction for him.

My starting lineup to start it off:

Greene
Harrison
Pointer
Garret
Sanchez

I could see Branch-Harrison-Wood-Garrett-Sanchez by the end of the season, but maybe Lav wants to keep Wood for some scoring pop off the bench.
Click to expand...
 

I guess Jakarr is a bench warmer?
Click to expand...
 

Not at all. I think Sampson will get 20-25 minutes--about the same as I see Sanchez getting. He is supremely talented and is very skilled on both ends of the floor, but experience is a tough thing to overcome for a rookie. Garrett has a big leg up on him at this point and Sanchez is bigger, older, and has more high level experience. Between Sachez and Sampson I think it simply comes down to who demonstrates mastery of the zone first. Sanchez has two years in a zone defense in college, but Sampson can literally cover every position on the floor.

There will be big minutes for many bigs this coming season.
 
 I get what your saying sometimes experience trumps talent so it's possibly Jakarr won't start. It will come down to which players mesh well together. The more I think about the lineup I posted the more I think I was wrong in that A) Obekpa probably needs to be eased into his role and b) Obekpa and Pointer probably shouldn't be on the floor at the same time if we want to spread out our offensive weapons.
 
 How are JaKarr and CO not starters? Just because they will be freshmen doesn't mean they won't be good. We should know that...we just had the Big East ROY in Harkless and he's going to the NBA in the 1st round. D'Lo was our leading scorer and all Big East 2nd team...he easily could have won Big East ROY if it wasn't for Harkless. He was arguably better. You have to maximize the minutes these players get, because they only stay 1-2 years most of the time. We can't be too careful...at some point you have to use your toys. Who buys a Ferrari and leaves it in the driveway? We have to see what we have and use our big time recruits.
 
 How are JaKarr and CO not starters? Just because they will be freshmen doesn't mean they won't be good. We should know that...we just had the Big East ROY in Harkless and he's going to the NBA in the 1st round. D'Lo was our leading scorer and all Big East 2nd team...he easily could have won Big East ROY if it wasn't for Harkless. He was arguably better. You have to maximize the minutes these players get, because they only stay 1-2 years most of the time. We can't be too careful...at some point you have to use your toys. Who buys a Ferrari and leaves it in the driveway? We have to see what we have and use our big time recruits.
Click to expand...
 

The last part is critical. Lavin's recruited Sampson twice promising big time minutes in an ultra competitive conference like the BE. He can't risk going back on that promise and having word leak out that Lavin is not a man of his word. Sampson will and must get 30 minutes per game and start. CO is fresh on everyone's minds, but there is no question that Sampson is the bigger recruit / talent. CO is a slightly different situation also since he is younger & less developed physically than JS. The bottom line is that CO still needs a little time to develop physically before being a major contributor at the BE level. I don't think that CO starts right away and probably only averages about 15 mpg this season, but will progress and gain playing time as the games get more meaningful.
 
Dlo and Jakarr are a given. Amir and Dom make a great tandem but they overlap a little. I think Dom will have a great year and will be the defensive stopper at crunch time. If he shoots better he makes an outstanding 6th man. I think Amir is a little more streaky but might start to save fouls for Dom early. CO should start if only to gain respect for our recruiting prowess. GG and Sanchez should be effective backups at the 4/5. I hope Phil continues to grow as part of the 1/2 rotation. Marco, Felix and Wood look like situational contributors depending on need game by game. I think PT will hinge on "D" and "hot hand" factors. I'd expect to lose one or two guys unless we win big. That's OK with all the studs that will be interested next year. 
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top