Stagnant Offense

[room112]

Don't know how long this board has been around, but the title to this thread could have been written every season since Barkley and Thornton left the program. Offense, and especially shooting the ball, just isn't a St. John's thing.

4 years ago the team never took a bad shot.
Ran great stuff and really went after the offensive boards.

So why then under the same coach are we doing the opposite now?

Real team leaders, more experienced players overall, and an assistant named Dunlap. Our star this year was a freshman, and as a freshman, I thought he was incredible. Very very different circumstances comparing to 4 years ago

My point was, how were we running offensive plays back then, and seemingly run nothing now?

 

[basketballjones]

St. John's is not running an a specific offensive approach. There is no "seemingly" about it. Color commentators like Raf and Steve Bardo have mentioned it. Bardo went as far as to say in one game, "St. John's doesn't look like they know what they want to do (on offense)". Watch Michigan. Watch even Stephen F. Austin. They have an system they use to score on every possession. Every major team does except us. It drives me nuts.

 

[beast of the east]

Don't know how long this board has been around, but the title to this thread could have been written every season since Barkley and Thornton left the program. Offense, and especially shooting the ball, just isn't a St. John's thing.

4 years ago the team never took a bad shot.
Ran great stuff and really went after the offensive boards.

So why then under the same coach are we doing the opposite now?

Real team leaders, more experienced players overall, and an assistant named Dunlap. Our star this year was a freshman, and as a freshman, I thought he was incredible. Very very different circumstances comparing to 4 years ago

My point was, how were we running offensive plays back then, and seemingly run nothing now?

Seriously, early in the season it looked like they were running nothing - no motion, no picks, no rolls, etc. Then it appeared when they were playing well that they were running a motion offense, pulling guards up high, spreading the floor, and with a forward or 3rd guard filling in the gap at the foul line. Then towards the end of the season, that seemed to vanish. I'd be an idiot to say they weren't running anything, but it certainly looked like the old st john's east west offense in the last few games.

 

[JackofVirginia]

What is even more maddening is that they had a few games where they showed a ton of movement in a few offensive possessions and it worked out so well it left you scratching your head as to why they did not implement it for every game.

This is something that absolutely HAS to change for next season. With the amount of depth that we had we should have been running all game.

And pressing!