Staff order in recruiting

RedStormNC

RedStormNC

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Figured I'd start new thread vs. Muhammad

Clearly, Matt A is current lead, Mullin as HC should be an active closer

In current form, that leaves us with St. Jean and Mitch. Who is better off recruiting and practice planning etc?

Sure Mitch showed up to some summer tourneys, but can we ever expect him to travel to kids HS, homes or continually follow them on Twitter or other check in methods which are all standard these days? That said, he adds value with his NBA pedigree and also being only African American on staff. He's ideally Special Asst as started but that got screwed up w/ Slice musical chairs.

St. Jean likely can do mostt/all if Matt shares his toolbox approach and Mullin requires it. May not be a master salesman but he's a sharp guy and would develop his own style.

One of the two need to step up and I just don't see Mitch doing it.
 
We must take this struggle to the AD and SJU's President. To wait for CM to take action would be a lethal mistake. Like everything else, it likely relates to $$$'s and the remaining severance due to Slice.
 
I emailed the AD. Useless. I have no connections to the 'powers that be'. But that
is the way to get to them.
And I love Mullin. Nobody loves Mullin more than me.
But, we're already 'in the hole'. Our campus doesn't compare to a UNC, Duke, KY, KS, OSU, Michigan, et al.
We cannot be in the hole strategically--or we are doomed. At the least, we've go to be adequately 'staffed' in functions. like---duh---recruiting.
Like the great Blutarsky ranted (to wit): "are we gonna stand when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!"
Email. Tweet. Text. Whatever. Everybody.
Thanks.
 
Not sure Mullin is convinced of Rice fit. If so, I would guess Goff will not mandate it. He's the coach & the AD seldom gets involved in staff construction, net of salary issues & rightly so.
 
I emailed the AD. Useless. I have no connections to the 'powers that be'. But that
is the way to get to them.
And I love Mullin. Nobody loves Mullin more than me.
But, we're already 'in the hole'. Our campus doesn't compare to a UNC, Duke, KY, KS, OSU, Michigan, et al.
We cannot be in the hole strategically--or we are doomed. At the least, we've go to be adequately 'staffed' in functions. like---duh---recruiting.
Like the great Blutarsky ranted (to wit): "are we gonna stand when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!"
Email. Tweet. Text. Whatever. Everybody.
Thanks.
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C
I enjoy your posts
But DOOMED?
I don't think we are" doomed"
(Webster: ruin, unhappy destiny, death, condemnation, sentence)
Then again maybe during the Dark Ages ( the kindly Roberts + the hmmm Jarvis) we were somewhat doomed.
Could we be better now? Of course
However -
There's good in our program now and ahead!

Think April 2015 with no roster
Would we accept:
1.upward climbing Ws and
2.Ponds, Lovett, Simon, Clark, Owens, Trimble et al. ???
I think so.
:cheer:
 
Not sure Mullin is convinced of Rice fit. If so, I would guess Goff will not mandate it. He's the coach & the AD seldom gets involved in staff construction, net of salary issues & rightly so.
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Interesting, thanks Paultz. Agree the specific hire is ultimately Mullin's call to make. What I am surprised by is that Goff hasn't mandated a conceptual change in staff construction. Hire whomever you see as a fit, but can't continue with 2 of 3 assistant spots occupied by individuals with zero college experience prior to SJU, no matter how hard the current group may be working or or how effective they may be in a particular area.

More than hard work and narrow specialty required at a high-major D1 program. One of the Post articles over the weekend quoting Slater stating that effectively few if any programs operate the way SJU does, likely putting them at a disadvantage, says a lot. SJU has enough to overcome in the highly competitive recruiting landscape with a really well-constructed staff, let alone with a construction that allows that type of observation to be made by someone like Slater.

I don't think it's a complete defense of staff construction that we are improving, which I believe we are quite substantially. The evaluative question is could we be improving even more with a better and more traditionally constructed staff? Especially as we enter these critical Years 3 and 4, where the "new staff" buzz has worn and you have talent on the roster making the path to playing time for elite recruits less clear. Winning and continuing to bring in top talent in this phase of rebuilding a program is often what separates staffs that are going to get established vs. those that may be on the hot seat shortly.

Rooting for them, happy with the job they've done broadly, but think they are making it harder on themselves than it needs to be, perhaps impacting certain individuals more than others.
 
Not sure Mullin is convinced of Rice fit. If so, I would guess Goff will not mandate it. He's the coach & the AD seldom gets involved in staff construction, net of salary issues & rightly so.
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Interesting, thanks Paultz. Agree the specific hire is ultimately Mullin's call to make. What I am surprised by is that Goff hasn't mandated a conceptual change in staff construction. Hire whomever you see as a fit, but can't continue with 2 of 3 assistant spots occupied by individuals with zero college experience prior to SJU, no matter how hard the current group may be working or or how effective they may be in a particular area.

More than hard work and narrow specialty required at a high-major D1 program. One of the Post articles over the weekend quoting Slater stating that effectively few if any programs operate the way SJU does, likely putting them at a disadvantage, says a lot. SJU has enough to overcome in the highly competitive recruiting landscape with a really well-constructed staff, let alone with a construction that allows that type of observation to be made by someone like Slater.

I don't think it's a complete defense of staff construction that we are improving, which I believe we are quite substantially. The evaluative question is could we be improving even more with a better and more traditionally constructed staff? Especially as we enter these critical Years 3 and 4, where the "new staff" buzz has worn and you have talent on the roster making the path to playing time for elite recruits less clear. Winning and continuing to bring in top talent in this phase of rebuilding a program is often what separates staffs that are going to get established vs. those that may be on the hot seat shortly.

Rooting for them, happy with the job they've done broadly, but think they are making it harder on themselves than it needs to be, perhaps impacting certain individuals more than others.
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Great post. Clearly we improved season 2 over season 1. I think we will some more improvement season 3 but what about seasons 4 and 5? If something is not structured properly it often suffers damage later. The question is when.
 
Nice and thorough SJU 1512
Would be nice if someone inside - perhaps a mover & shaker from this site - could suggest to CM just to explain the plan and/ or philosophy.

Seems as such an obvious area to
Improve and make everyone's (CM & Co) life easier & more successful
But I'm just a "simple", undesigning poster looking from the outside (shrug) and am
likely missing something
 
Thanks General. You're right. I exaggerated--to make a point. But, I do think it's important for us to be adequately staffed to be able to compete for solid 3's & 4's.
Yes, you are right about our current 'core'.
I am very pleased and I suppose 'greedy' in that I'd like us to consistently have a team with depth and talent.
I think we all want that.
 
Not sure Mullin is convinced of Rice fit. If so, I would guess Goff will not mandate it. He's the coach & the AD seldom gets involved in staff construction, net of salary issues & rightly so.
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Why the infatuation with Rice? He comes with a lot of negative publicity attached. I think I agree with CM if that is what he thinks. Someone here even posted a link to Ron Naclerio twitter that MR was about to get a job with St. John's. Yet nothing.

Last time I posted this I was told that those in the "know" felt this was a "done" deal. Of course that was apparently false. Some seemed to think hiring Rice would have helped us with recruiting two kids. Don't know about that but that didn't sound right.

Paultz, I do respect your input but is something else going on here? Maybe something between AD and CM?
 
The loss of Wilson and Muhammad hurt and I'd love to see Rice on board but we should't forget that this staff has SJU starting this season with its top six consisting of four sophs, one Jr. and one Sr. The two transfers who will play next year will be sophs.
I'd have to say that are stocking the roster with the future in mind.
 
Not sure Mullin is convinced of Rice fit. If so, I would guess Goff will not mandate it. He's the coach & the AD seldom gets involved in staff construction, net of salary issues & rightly so.
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Why the infatuation with Rice? He comes with a lot of negative publicity attached. I think I agree with CM if that is what he thinks. Someone here even posted a link to Ron Naclerio twitter that MR was about to get a job with St. John's. Yet nothing.

Last time I posted this I was told that those in the "know" felt this was a "done" deal. Of course that was apparently false. Some seemed to think hiring Rice would have helped us with recruiting two kids. Don't know about that but that didn't sound right.

Paultz, I do respect your input but is something else going on here? Maybe something between AD and CM?
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Don't think so.

Btw, not sure anyone said Rice to SJU was a lock. Rather it was pointed out he was very interested & had met with Mullin in Spring. That was only an opening discussion & then other issues like Slice arbitration process, CM thinking how well he would fit with his vision of program & if so, implications of juggling staff.
 
Not sure Mullin is convinced of Rice fit. If so, I would guess Goff will not mandate it. He's the coach & the AD seldom gets involved in staff construction, net of salary issues & rightly so.
Click to expand...

Why the infatuation with Rice? He comes with a lot of negative publicity attached. I think I agree with CM if that is what he thinks. Someone here even posted a link to Ron Naclerio twitter that MR was about to get a job with St. John's. Yet nothing.

Last time I posted this I was told that those in the "know" felt this was a "done" deal. Of course that was apparently false. Some seemed to think hiring Rice would have helped us with recruiting two kids. Don't know about that but that didn't sound right.

Paultz, I do respect your input but is something else going on here? Maybe something between AD and CM?
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Don't think so.

Btw, not sure anyone said Rice to SJU was a lock. Rather it was pointed out he was very interested & had met with Mullin in Spring. That was only an opening discussion & then other issues like Slice arbitration process, CM thinking how well he would fit with his vision of program & if so, implications of juggling staff.
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Thanks, Paultz. Not you but their were others who indicated that it (maybe not done) was pretty close. Some were thrilled with the Naclerio tweet. No matter, I didn't like the idea but that is just my opinion. I don't know enough about the structure of our staff but others seem to think we need another recruiter. Is that being considered or is that posters wishful thinking.
 
Not sure Mullin is convinced of Rice fit. If so, I would guess Goff will not mandate it. He's the coach & the AD seldom gets involved in staff construction, net of salary issues & rightly so.
Click to expand...

Why the infatuation with Rice? He comes with a lot of negative publicity attached. I think I agree with CM if that is what he thinks. Someone here even posted a link to Ron Naclerio twitter that MR was about to get a job with St. John's. Yet nothing.

Last time I posted this I was told that those in the "know" felt this was a "done" deal. Of course that was apparently false. Some seemed to think hiring Rice would have helped us with recruiting two kids. Don't know about that but that didn't sound right.

Paultz, I do respect your input but is something else going on here? Maybe something between AD and CM?
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Don't think so.

Btw, not sure anyone said Rice to SJU was a lock. Rather it was pointed out he was very interested & had met with Mullin in Spring. That was only an opening discussion & then other issues like Slice arbitration process, CM thinking how well he would fit with his vision of program & if so, implications of juggling staff.
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Thanks, Paultz. Not you but their were others who indicated that it (maybe not done) was pretty close. Some were thrilled with the Naclerio tweet. No matter, I didn't like the idea but that is just my opinion. I don't know enough about the structure of our staff but others seem to think we need another recruiter. Is that being considered or is that posters wishful thinking.
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As noted before, I prefer to not put all eggs in one basket with Matt and getting another AC much more involved in recruiting. Not sure whether or not CM wants to go that route.
 
Seems like one of those
"a lot to gain and little to lose" by getting another recruiting coach.
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The big problem w getting another coach is we owe so much money to Slice and money is tight. Thats why I keep suggesting Rice, you get a lot of bang for your buck.
 
Wishful thinking I know, but Mullin should volunteer a small paycut of his $2M/yr if he felt adding another coach at modest salary (not necessarily Rice) would pay off longer term for the program.
 
Does anyone know who is responsible for the Slice mess, and are they being held accountable?
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Is this a rhetorical question?
Everyone knows that Mullin requested and got approval to select his staff. Slice leaving Kentucky was considered a big coup and the contract negotiations and subsequent salary reflect the desire of Mullin to compensate Slice at a better rate than Kentucky. He named him "associate head coach" to justify that outrageous salary that most bluebloods don't pay. In just 6 short months and especially after one disastrous season, Slice was never treated as an "associate", was rarely consulted during time outs in favor of Greg St. Jean drawing plays and making Matt Abdelmassih the chief recruiter.
Who is/was responsible? Season three and Slice is still collecting his checks.
Take a wild guess!!
 
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