St. John's Rankings

[NYCRedmen]

Not really a basketball topic but I know in the past this type of discussion has morphed into one of both academics and athletics. Forbes ranks St. John's #460 nationally. On the bright side, #183 for research universities & #161 for northeast schools.

http://www.forbes.com/colleges/st-johns-university-new-york/?list=top-colleges

 

[otis]

For what it's worth, if anything, the Big East stacks up as follows according to the Forbes rankings

Georgetown # 21
Villanova #62
Providence #111
Marquette #157
Creighton #214
Butler #226
DePaul #280
Seton Hall #299
X #341
StJohn's #460

Note.... expect Providence College to move to #1 in the US News rankings to be released this fall for Master Universities (East) with Villanova being moved to the US News National University listing. Good things are happening at PC in terms if infrastructure and academics.

 

[simplyred]

I renounce my degree. However, I will remain a fan of the basketball program.

Queens College, a fine public institution, is right up the road. Better degree at a fraction of the cost. I can't believe how much money I spent for my daughter's crappy degree. At least it was much less expensive when I got mine.

 

[frank61]

Embarrassing!

 

[Andrew]

It is crazy that there are 660 colleges/universities on that list. I wonder if there is much difference between school #300 and school #660.

 

[RedStormNC]

It's all about the methodology used to rank

Forbes criteria is much different than US News & World Report

Both can easily be scrutinized and raise questions over importance, sources of data, pools on data etc.

None of them are perfect but just a matter of what is being prioritized.

=ms-android-verizon#

 

[Knight]

For what it's worth, if anything, the Big East stacks up as follows according to the Forbes rankings

Georgetown # 21
Villanova #62
Providence #111
Marquette #157
Creighton #214
Butler #226
DePaul #280
Seton Hall #299
X #341
StJohn's #460

Note.... expect Providence College to move to #1 in the US News rankings to be released this fall for Master Universities (East) with Villanova being moved to the US News National University listing. Good things are happening at PC in terms if infrastructure and academics.

We are St. John's. What are we good at?

 

[usguard]

I renounce my degree. However, I will remain a fan of the basketball program.

Queens College, a fine public institution, is right up the road. Better degree at a fraction of the cost. I can't believe how much money I spent for my daughter's crappy degree. At least it was much less expensive when I got mine.

Perhaps degrees are over-rated considering the debt incurred and the lack of good paying jobs

 

[Chris7]

For what it's worth, if anything, the Big East stacks up as follows according to the Forbes rankings

Georgetown # 21
Villanova #62
Providence #111
Marquette #157
Creighton #214
Butler #226
DePaul #280
Seton Hall #299
X #341
StJohn's #460

Note.... expect Providence College to move to #1 in the US News rankings to be released this fall for Master Universities (East) with Villanova being moved to the US News National University listing. Good things are happening at PC in terms if infrastructure and academics.

We are St. John's. What are we good at?

We are struggling to remain afloat on multiple fronts, as I've said on here in the past. We are headed in the complete wrong direction.

We are good at reinsurance and law.

 

[Class of 72]

%-)

For what it's worth, if anything, the Big East stacks up as follows according to the Forbes rankings

Georgetown # 21
Villanova #62
Providence #111
Marquette #157
Creighton #214
Butler #226
DePaul #280
Seton Hall #299
X #341
StJohn's #460

Note.... expect Providence College to move to #1 in the US News rankings to be released this fall for Master Universities (East) with Villanova being moved to the US News National University listing. Good things are happening at PC in terms if infrastructure and academics.

We are consistently last and now even in basketball. President Bobby "Whatever His Name is" has some splaining to do. There is no reason in the academic world we should be 30 points below both DePaul and Seton Hall in the US News rankings. Even though 153 is a respectable middle of the pack we are not moving forward. The useless Oakdale campus has not sold. Some professional services programs are a waste of resources and graduating just 40 per cent in 4 years is atrocious. Just curious to know if President Bobby has made any inroads with bright Pinoy students. Let's get cracking Bobby!

 

[monte]

Yeah but we're ranked 4th amongst schools named St. John's. Let's give credit where credit is due.

 

[RedStormNC]

Not to harp on my post/point about methodology of rankings, as I don't expect St. John's to be near the top for a variety of reasons, and there are many things we can name that the admin can do better, but just as an example take a look at what just one example that comprised 32.5% of the criteria

22% of this 32.5% is based on a who's who of high achievers who are the outliers anyway...? Emmy Awards and Tony's.... really ???

Post-Graduate Success (32.5%)

Salary of alumni by school is a combination of data provided by Payscale.com (10%), the market leader in global online compensation data, the U.S. Department of Education’s College Scorecard. Each has its own strengths and shortcomings — Payscale is a vast repository of self-reported salaries and the College Scorecard is based on tax records but is limited to former students who took out federal loans. A blending of the two is the best way to get the most accurate picture of both early- and mi-career salaries.

But because success isn’t just about money, we reward schools where the establishment, influencers and innovators received their degrees. CCAP has compiled an America’s Leaders List (22.5%). Many appear on various FORBES lists (Power Women, 30 Under 30, CEOs on the Global 2000), plus Nobel and Pulitzer winners, Guggenheim and MacArthur Fellows, those elected to the National Academy of Sciences, winners of an Academy, Emmy, Tony or Grammy, and more.

 

[Class of 72]

:$

Yeah but we're ranked 4th amongst schools named St. John's. Let's give credit where credit is due.

....but we are #1 in basketball amongst the St. John's!
Get us to the top 20 Mully and applications will increase dramatically so we can weed out the weed smokers at the bottom of the application pile.

 

[STJ11Redmen]

I've said this before but I'm a very recent alum and am having great success in my chosen field. No regrets about going to school at SJU academically. The social aspect was lacking but you know what you're getting into in that regard when you choose to come to SJU. I was far more prepared to succeed than any of my peers who went to other more highly rated schools.

Additionally, the network of SJU grads in NY is crazy, can't tell you how many interviews I've been on where the interviewer also went to St. John's. My current boss is actually an alum.

All of my friends who had the same major are having similar success. The school offers too many clown programs that produce unhappy grads who are saddled with debt. That's why the rankings stink.

 

[Porgyman]

The school offers too many clown programs that produce unhappy grads who are saddled with debt. That's why the rankings stink.

You are correct Sir. It is a blatant cash grab by the University that just cheapens a degree.
4 years ago my son was looking at different schools. He was an above average high school student. Not straight A's, but still very good. He never even considered St. John's. The reason? For the cost involved, the value of a St. John's degree just wasn't there. I'm at a point in my life where my degree from 31 years ago matters little from a career perspective. However I am very concerned by the academic death spiral that the school is on.

 

[frank61]

For what it's worth, if anything, the Big East stacks up as follows according to the Forbes rankings

Georgetown # 21
Villanova #62
Providence #111
Marquette #157
Creighton #214
Butler #226
DePaul #280
Seton Hall #299
X #341
StJohn's #460

Note.... expect Providence College to move to #1 in the US News rankings to be released this fall for Master Universities (East) with Villanova being moved to the US News National University listing. Good things are happening at PC in terms if infrastructure and academics.

We are St. John's. What are we good at?

We are struggling to remain afloat on multiple fronts, as I've said on here in the past. We are headed in the complete wrong direction.

We are good at reinsurance and law.

It has a great School of Pharmacy

 

[austour]

:$

Yeah but we're ranked 4th amongst schools named St. John's. Let's give credit where credit is due.

....but we are #1 in basketball amongst the St. John's!
Get us to the top 20 Mully and applications will increase dramatically so we can weed out the weed smokers at the bottom of the application pile.

FWIW most of the folks I knew at Cornell smoked weed, got an Ivy League education, and are quite successful, many of whom still partake to this day. Just saying, it's not about the weed, it's about the smarts.

 

[LJSA]

It's been a while since I was looking at schools, but in 1989, St. John's and Seton Hall were pretty much equals. St. John's may have actually had a slight edge. Did we drop or did SHU take a big leap forward?

#460 looks pretty bad. Would be great to get up into the 300s.

 

[Class of 72]

:$

Yeah but we're ranked 4th amongst schools named St. John's. Let's give credit where credit is due.

....but we are #1 in basketball amongst the St. John's!
Get us to the top 20 Mully and applications will increase dramatically so we can weed out the weed smokers at the bottom of the application pile.

FWIW most of the folks I knew at Cornell smoked weed, got an Ivy League education, and are quite successful, many of whom still partake to this day. Just saying, it's not about the weed, it's about the smarts.

I was being facetious about the weed smokers. Needed a segue to weed out. of course I meant weed out the low achievers that are routinely admitted to bolster tuition revenue. Being accepted to a 4 year university with a 900 SAT is not giving that student a chance but setting them up for disappointment when they either drop out, need 6 years to graduate or transfer to a community college where they belonged in the first place.
BTW, St. John's University offering associate degree courses and those students drastically reduce its academic profile. The Board of Trustees, this president and alumni need to decide if St. John's joins serious academic research institutions or wants to be viewed as a diploma mill. Personally, I don't think this president is up to the task.

 

[usguard]

:$

Yeah but we're ranked 4th amongst schools named St. John's. Let's give credit where credit is due.

....but we are #1 in basketball amongst the St. John's!
Get us to the top 20 Mully and applications will increase dramatically so we can weed out the weed smokers at the bottom of the application pile.

FWIW most of the folks I knew at Cornell smoked weed, got an Ivy League education, and are quite successful, many of whom still partake to this day. Just saying, it's not about the weed, it's about the smarts.

I was being facetious about the weed smokers. Needed a segue to weed out. of course I meant weed out the low achievers that are routinely admitted to bolster tuition revenue. Being accepted to a 4 year university with a 900 SAT is not giving that student a chance but setting them up for disappointment when they either drop out, need 6 years to graduate or transfer to a community college where they belonged in the first place.
BTW, St. John's University offering associate degree courses and those students drastically reduce its academic profile. The Board of Trustees, this president and alumni need to decide if St. John's joins serious academic research institutions or wants to be viewed as a diploma mill. Personally, I don't think this president is up to the task.

Just trying to understand your post. Are you saying which it appears that success id based on ones SAT score