SJU Backcourt Tandems

Once Mike Moses went to the bench and replaced by Mark Jackson, the Jackson-Mullin backcourt was the best backcourt in St. John's history. Mullin and Jackson; it doesn't get any better than that.
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Redken Jax did not replace Moses during the 84-85 year, at best he split time with him later in the year. Moses started every game that year I believe. While Jax turned out to be a great college player, he was no better than an OK college player during his freshman and sophomore years. By the time he blossomed during his Junior year, Chris was gone.
 
Once Mike Moses went to the bench and replaced by Mark Jackson, the Jackson-Mullin backcourt was the best backcourt in St. John's history. Mullin and Jackson; it doesn't get any better than that.
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Redken Jax did not replace Moses during the 84-85 year, at best he split time with him later in the year. Moses started every game that year I believe. While Jax turned out to be a great college player, he was no better than an OK college player during his freshman and sophomore years. By the time he blossomed during his Junior year, Chris was gone.
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I didn't mean to suggest that Mark Jackson replaced Mike Moses as the starting point guard. What I meant was when he replaced (perhaps I should have used "substituted for") him during games. And had he replaced Moses as the starting in PG during the 84-85 season, I have little doubt that he would have shown a great deal of the talent he displayed when he blossomed, as you put it, the following season. (By the way, Moses and Jackson both started in the backcourt for final third of the '83-'84 season, with Jackson starting 13 [of 30] games, including 9 BE games, and Moses starting all 30 [16 BE]. If I remember correctly, that came about when Louie switched to a starting forecourt of Mullin, Wennington, and Jeff Allen.). ... Monte, I hope I'm not sounding defensive or obnoxious; I'm not meaning to. (I am, however, still sticking to my Mullin-Jackson backcourt tandem.)
 
Once Mike Moses went to the bench and replaced by Mark Jackson, the Jackson-Mullin backcourt was the best backcourt in St. John's history. Mullin and Jackson; it doesn't get any better than that.
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Redken Jax did not replace Moses during the 84-85 year, at best he split time with him later in the year. Moses started every game that year I believe. While Jax turned out to be a great college player, he was no better than an OK college player during his freshman and sophomore years. By the time he blossomed during his Junior year, Chris was gone.
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I didn't mean to suggest that Mark Jackson replaced Mike Moses as the starting point guard. What I meant was when he replaced (perhaps I should have used "substituted for") him during games. And had he replaced Moses as the starting in PG during the 84-85 season, I have little doubt that he would have shown a great deal of the talent he displayed when he blossomed, as you put it, the following season. (By the way, Moses and Jackson both started in the backcourt for final third of the '83-'84 season, with Jackson starting 13 (of 30) games, including 9 BE games, and Moses starting all 30 (16 BE). If I remember correctly, that came about when Louie switched to a starting forecourt of Mullin, Wennington, and Jeff Allen.) ... Monte, I hope I'm not sounding defensive or obnoxious; I'm not meaning to. (I am, however, still sticking to my Mullin-Jackson backcourt tandem.)
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Not at all Redken. Valid points you make.
 
Utley - Kevin Cluess although slightly before my time. Both could really play

Alagia -Glen Williams Alagia was extremely gutty and talented, Williams was silky smooth and deadly from medium range - reminded me of Keith (Jamaal) WIlkes.
 
Was Johnny Warren a forward or guard?
I ask because he and Joe DePree on the same court were dynamite together.
 
In the program the night SJU played Geo in '85 there was an article on each decades all star team from the 30s to the 80s and one 13 member team for the entire period. You had to play at MSG to be eligible but almost all great players in college in those days played at the Garden.

SJU had multi players selected for the all decade teams but only Dick McGuire made the all time team. So although never having seen Dick play at SJU it is probably safe to say Dick and any of his backcourt mates deserve mention.
 
Was Johnny Warren a forward or guard?
I ask because he and Joe DePree on the same court were dynamite together.
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Played a lot of small forward at SJU
 
Carmine Calzonetti was the point guard on the Warren/Dupre teams. Warren and Dupre were interchangeable at the 2/3 positions, but Johnny Warren was primarily the 2 guard and Joe Dupre the small forward. Abraham was a really good undersized PF. The name of the center escapes me, but he was very soft. I was at the UCLA game in the Garden for the Holiday Festival, when we played them even at four positions, but got killed at center by Lew Alcindor.
 
Carmine Calzonetti was the point guard on the Warren/Dupre teams. Warren and Dupre were interchangeable at the 2/3 positions, but Johnny Warren was primarily the 2 guard and Joe Dupre the small forward. Abraham was a really good undersized PF. The name of the center escapes me, but he was very soft. I was at the UCLA game in the Garden for the Holiday Festival, when we played them even at four positions, but got killed at center by Lew Alcindor.
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Must have been soft if he got killed by Lewis. ;) :)
 
Was Johnny Warren a forward or guard?
I ask because he and Joe DePree on the same court were dynamite together.
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You know i was going to post the same combo. Warren was 6'3" but he could jump and Louie sometimes played him at SF but mostly at SG. DePre was 6'4" and played the SF but sometimes moved to the SG. The point was Carmine Calzonetti That '68-9 team went 23-6 Warren averaged 19.6 and DePre 16.1, it was my senior year and I drove down to Cole Field House for the NCAA East regionals where we ran into a Davidson team that just owned us inside. Our front court of Billy Paultz, Ralph Abraham, who played an undersized PF at 6'5" and DePre couldn't cope with them. Plus they made a point of bottling up Johnny.

It was payback for when we went down there in early January and beat the then #2 Wildcats on a buzzer beater by the Whopper from the baseline as time expired. I remember listening to the game on the radio, the place went silent and you could clearly hear "Why don't you damn Yankees go home".

That was quite spell for us as we beat then #2 N. Car., and lost to #1 UCLA in the Holiday Festival, followed up by that win over Davidson.
 
Carmine Calzonetti was the point guard on the Warren/Dupre teams. Warren and Dupre were interchangeable at the 2/3 positions, but Johnny Warren was primarily the 2 guard and Joe Dupre the small forward. Abraham was a really good undersized PF. The name of the center escapes me, but he was very soft. I was at the UCLA game in the Garden for the Holiday Festival, when we played them even at four positions, but got killed at center by Lew Alcindor.
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Dan Cornelius from Huntington area, not very good as noted,
 
Carmine Calzonetti was the point guard on the Warren/Dupre teams. Warren and Dupre were interchangeable at the 2/3 positions, but Johnny Warren was primarily the 2 guard and Joe Dupre the small forward. Abraham was a really good undersized PF. The name of the center escapes me, but he was very soft. I was at the UCLA game in the Garden for the Holiday Festival, when we played them even at four positions, but got killed at center by Lew Alcindor.
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Dan Cornelius from Huntington area, not very good as noted,
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Maybe not a very good basketball player, but awesome as the long time host of Soultrain!
 
Thanks for that recap...
I should have remembered Calzonetti as my then girlfriend, now my wife, had a crush on him.
I remember when Warren came back with the Knicks for practice a few years later and a bunch of us students were on the court. The 4 knicks split up and let us play with them for 20 minutes. The highlight of my career was getting stuffed by Johnny Warren.
(Some of us never reached great heights)
 
Carmine Calzonetti was the point guard on the Warren/Dupre teams. Warren and Dupre were interchangeable at the 2/3 positions, but Johnny Warren was primarily the 2 guard and Joe Dupre the small forward. Abraham was a really good undersized PF. The name of the center escapes me, but he was very soft. I was at the UCLA game in the Garden for the Holiday Festival, when we played them even at four positions, but got killed at center by Lew Alcindor.
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Dan Cornelius from Huntington area, not very good as noted,
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Correct, Dan was 6'9" which as tall as anyone we had at that time, he was from Wyandanch, one exit away from Huntington. Rudy Bogart (sp?) from Molloy preceded him.

I think Carmine had the flu during thy Festival final, but we would have gotten killed by UCLA anyway.

Is Carmine still working for SJU.
 
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