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Seton hall forfeits against ST. John’s
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Ron post=446999 said:
There is only a certain number of games that teams are allowed to play, and by tomorrow we will have completed our 11 OOC games (same # as the rest of the Big East scheduled, used to be 13 when we played 18 conference games). Technically this game counts in our win column (even if it doesn't benefit us at all). I don't think we'd be allowed to play another OOC game, but I'm not certain. The school should definitely look into that, though. I'd like to play someone.
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Adam post=447003 said:
As you said the games are limited by the number of conference games dictating the number of OOC games since the NCAA says 31 games max pre conference tourney. Obviously it's all in jest but it would seem that since one conference game is for all intents and purposes cancelled STJ should seek special dispensation to add an OOC game. It was pretty interesting how quickly UNC, Kentucky and the networks through together a game for this weekend when UCLA and OSU pulled out of their scheduled OOC games, and they're almost 500 miles apart.
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We should push to reschedule and I don't believe for a second that Hall doesn't have 7 kids who can play. I think Willard probably doesn't like the 7 they have eligible to play.
MakingPlays
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It's a really convenient number for them. And is that list including their walk-ons? Because they have 15 people listed on their roster. They should have to provide proof of 9 players currently showing positive tests. This is the same BS that happened last year. UConn refused to reschedule against us last year and that one game could have been the difference in us making the tournament.Adam post=446998 said:
And if we're going to go back to doing that last year BS where you just cancel and reschedule as you please based on just the school saying they have positive tests, they just need to cancel the season or agree to a bubble. Because you can easily take advantage of it. My star player gets hurt and is out for a week... oops we had a positive test can't play anybody this week. A team is on a winning streak and looking good coming into the game, oops can't play them we had a positive test can't play anybody this week either.
MakingPlays
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He's probably on really missing 3 or 4 kids, but with this stupid rule BE made, why would he risk playing without a full squad? There's no major consequences for him not playing the game. Nobody cares about the overall BE standings, only thing that's important is winning the BE tournament and making the NCAA tournament.Rob post=447013 said:
I guarantee you if they said the forfeit affects your NET, he would have came up with 7 guys that could play.
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Right now the rules favor the forfeiting team which is bogus. Then again, I’d we can schedule a very good ooc opponent AND thus counts as a league win, it could end up helping us. Key is getting a good opponent, plus beating seton hall j. Our next scheduled game for a sweep.
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MakingPlays
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Sounds like they'll be able to add a make-up game.
https://nypost.com/2021/12/17/st-jo...medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons
"The forfeit will not count as one of St. John’s 31 regular season games, and it plans to play a full allotment of contests, meaning an additional non-conference game can now be scheduled. St. John’s faces Pittsburgh Saturday in the Gotham Classic at the Garden and will next meet Butler at Carnesecca Arena in its de facto Big East opener."
This might end up benefitting Johnnies. 2 winnable home game to start off conference play and get confidence up, then based on how games are going schedule a replacement game down the line based on how things are looking.
https://nypost.com/2021/12/17/st-jo...medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons
"The forfeit will not count as one of St. John’s 31 regular season games, and it plans to play a full allotment of contests, meaning an additional non-conference game can now be scheduled. St. John’s faces Pittsburgh Saturday in the Gotham Classic at the Garden and will next meet Butler at Carnesecca Arena in its de facto Big East opener."
This might end up benefitting Johnnies. 2 winnable home game to start off conference play and get confidence up, then based on how games are going schedule a replacement game down the line based on how things are looking.
Hope the players and anyone else get well and back on the court. While I don't care for the forfeit and would rather play, I am not worried about manipulation. And I would be surprised if there wasn't some sort of accounting to ensure someone is not trying to manipulate the system. Even if they are, the bottom line is we need to win our games we play on court. No slow starts and bad losses period.
Do not add another game for Monday. Take the extra rest and preparation for the home opener.
If we do what we need to do on court, this is a blip on the radar screen taken care of by winning games. No excuses and let's not start to look for any now. As Al Davis said, "Just win baby!!!"
Do not add another game for Monday. Take the extra rest and preparation for the home opener.
If we do what we need to do on court, this is a blip on the radar screen taken care of by winning games. No excuses and let's not start to look for any now. As Al Davis said, "Just win baby!!!"
Forget SH debacle and take advantage of an opportunistic initial four BE games with three at home v Butler, M’Q and DePaul & one at GT. If SJU is as good as many thought, they need to show it and get off to solid start. To me, winning four of these games is very achievable and three is acceptable. Subsequent road games v PC and UConn will prove more daunting, so for God’s sake let’s show something early for a change. Confidence and momentum out of the gate can go a long way when chasing a Dance ticket in a tough conference.
Hopefully all of this means something in face current COVID situation.
Hopefully all of this means something in face current COVID situation.
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As I have said-screw SH. They knew all season they could not play with non vaccinated players in a NYC arena. They played 10 teams with a number of non vaccinated players and could have infected the players and coaches of those teams. Meanwhile ALL Johnnies are vaccinated. Our coaches and players did the right thing and should not be punished. This is not so much as a player or coach coming down with Covid--this is about players not taking precautions and realizing that they would not be able to play in NYC. Willard and his coaches have known of the NYC ban on non vaccianted players since SH started the semmester. All they had to do was follow the Kyrie Irving saga of suspension from the beginning of October. If anything, Willard and SH should have MSG so that another opponent could have been scheduled for Iona.