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In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.
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[quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=300997][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.[/quote]
I think Heron will surprise on the perimeter and nail more threes than anticipated. He has really worked on that.
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.[/quote]
I think Heron will surprise on the perimeter and nail more threes than anticipated. He has really worked on that.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=300998][quote="Ray Morgan" post=300997][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.[/quote]
I think Heron will surprise on the perimeter and nail more threes than anticipated. He has really worked on that.[/quote]
I agree. Like his stroke. Not a lot of moving parts.
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.[/quote]
I think Heron will surprise on the perimeter and nail more threes than anticipated. He has really worked on that.[/quote]
I agree. Like his stroke. Not a lot of moving parts.
[quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
Hmm. I wouldn't have thought chemistry was an issue last year at all. This team seemed close knit and played well together. Plus, we were so undermanned, and played marathon minutes, so it's hard to say shot selection was the main issue. Seems like a weird statement overall to me.
Hmm. I wouldn't have thought chemistry was an issue last year at all. This team seemed close knit and played well together. Plus, we were so undermanned, and played marathon minutes, so it's hard to say shot selection was the main issue. Seems like a weird statement overall to me.
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[quote="Room112" post=301001][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
Hmm. I wouldn't have thought chemistry was an issue last year at all. This team seemed close knit and played well together. Plus, we were so undermanned, and played marathon minutes, so it's hard to say shot selection was the main issue. Seems like a weird statement overall to me.[/quote]
I think Ponds has to cut down on some of those long Steph Curry threes. But outside of that much like Harrison before him Ponds had to take a lot of shots last year. Last year for the most part a bad Ponds shot was still a good shot for the team.
I think this year he can be a little more selective though.
As far as chemistry thing, unless you are on the team and in the locker room you would not and should not be able to comment on it because you would not have legitimate knowledge.
I think that is just what people say when a seemingly talented team struggles.
Hmm. I wouldn't have thought chemistry was an issue last year at all. This team seemed close knit and played well together. Plus, we were so undermanned, and played marathon minutes, so it's hard to say shot selection was the main issue. Seems like a weird statement overall to me.[/quote]
I think Ponds has to cut down on some of those long Steph Curry threes. But outside of that much like Harrison before him Ponds had to take a lot of shots last year. Last year for the most part a bad Ponds shot was still a good shot for the team.
I think this year he can be a little more selective though.
As far as chemistry thing, unless you are on the team and in the locker room you would not and should not be able to comment on it because you would not have legitimate knowledge.
I think that is just what people say when a seemingly talented team struggles.
prjohnnies
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He also had a much better percentage as a freshman than soph, I believe.
[quote="Paultzman" post=300998][quote="Ray Morgan" post=300997][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.[/quote]
I think Heron will surprise on the perimeter and nail more threes than anticipated. He has really worked on that.[/quote]
[quote="Paultzman" post=300998][quote="Ray Morgan" post=300997][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.[/quote]
I think Heron will surprise on the perimeter and nail more threes than anticipated. He has really worked on that.[/quote]
From what I understand Heron and Ponds have been life long friends and competitors and know each other quite well. Seems we could be in for a favorable adventure with this talented and complimentary pair. So I am determined to enjoy this season and not get into immediate concerns about our shortcomings real or imagined.
all the best
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Ray Morgan
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[quote="Paultzman" post=300998][quote="Ray Morgan" post=300997][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.[/quote]
I think Heron will surprise on the perimeter and nail more threes than anticipated. He has really worked on that.[/quote]
He has a nice stroke, and am glad to hear he has worked hard on it. Still like the fact he has the size and strength to post up, and the quickness to get to the hoop. Team had a lot of ball movement in the Loyola game, but almost all on the perimeter. Our strength is quick and athletic guards and small forwards. What I loved about our near final four team with Artest, Bootsy and Barkley was the great interior passing that our current guys need to be better at. Drive, draw multiple defenders, and quick pass to the open man for an up close shot. No great 3 point shooters, but they didn't have to be with their ability to drive and dish. Except for Simon, our other guards are primarily drive and let fly.
No question that the staff will have to have a big year in order for the team to do the same. Lots of talent and interchangeable parts at the 2 and 3, but no pure PG, one basketball to go around for 2 players in their final audition for the NBA, and no inside game to speak of. Plus, no pure shooters, as Simon, Ponds, and Heron are all at their best as slashers. GS has the Splash Brothers, we have the Slash Brothers.[/quote]
I think Heron will surprise on the perimeter and nail more threes than anticipated. He has really worked on that.[/quote]
He has a nice stroke, and am glad to hear he has worked hard on it. Still like the fact he has the size and strength to post up, and the quickness to get to the hoop. Team had a lot of ball movement in the Loyola game, but almost all on the perimeter. Our strength is quick and athletic guards and small forwards. What I loved about our near final four team with Artest, Bootsy and Barkley was the great interior passing that our current guys need to be better at. Drive, draw multiple defenders, and quick pass to the open man for an up close shot. No great 3 point shooters, but they didn't have to be with their ability to drive and dish. Except for Simon, our other guards are primarily drive and let fly.
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Heron's shot looked pretty and smooth last game. He's known more as a slasher but he really can do both at a high level. He is the antithesis of Ahmed when he first came here as a bull in a china shop. Always under control, smooth, knows what he wants to do, etc. Something I'd like to see us improve a lot is routinely making open 3's. If we are playing a long defense that just shuts us down that's one thing, but it's very frustrating going back to last year when we miss open 3's. The extra pass is made, a guy's wide open and...clunk! Thankfully we seemed to do better with that in the first game vs. last year. We also need to make our bunnies which absolutely killed us last year. Even last game it looked like we left 10 pts or so on the board after getting right to the rim.
I shrug my shoulders at something said by Seth Greenberg. Their are a lot of reasons Seth is sitting on a set somewhere and not sitting on a bench. Oh well, he is entitled to his opinion and it is in his best interest to say something that generates some sizzle no matter how accurate it is or isn't
[quote="Moose" post=300993][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
Where is Lawmanfan?[/quote]
It's only been one game, but I think Ponds and Heron showed great chemistry. Heron doesn't appear to be a volume shooter to me. He got his in a variety of ways and he seems fine picking his spots whereas Ponds likes to get his in bunches and then run some point for stretches.
Where is Lawmanfan?[/quote]
It's only been one game, but I think Ponds and Heron showed great chemistry. Heron doesn't appear to be a volume shooter to me. He got his in a variety of ways and he seems fine picking his spots whereas Ponds likes to get his in bunches and then run some point for stretches.
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[quote="Marillac" post=301019][quote="Moose" post=300993][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
Where is Lawmanfan?[/quote]
It's only been one game, but I think Ponds and Heron showed great chemistry. Heron doesn't appear to be a volume shooter to me. He got his in a variety of ways and he seems fine picking his spots whereas Ponds likes to get his in bunches and then run some point for stretches.[/quote]
Hey look who is back on here.
What you only save your crazy stuff for JJ?
I agree looked like Heron can get his stuff within the flow and has multiple ways of scoring.
But yea only one game against bad team.
Where is Lawmanfan?[/quote]
It's only been one game, but I think Ponds and Heron showed great chemistry. Heron doesn't appear to be a volume shooter to me. He got his in a variety of ways and he seems fine picking his spots whereas Ponds likes to get his in bunches and then run some point for stretches.[/quote]
Hey look who is back on here.
What you only save your crazy stuff for JJ?
I agree looked like Heron can get his stuff within the flow and has multiple ways of scoring.
But yea only one game against bad team.
[quote="we are sju" post=301022][quote="Marillac" post=301019][quote="Moose" post=300993][quote="we are sju" post=300992]In Post today said ST John's struggled last year because of chemistry and bad shot selection. Seemed to lay some blame on Ponds. Also kind of questioned if Ponds and Heron will work because both volume shooters.[/quote]
Where is Lawmanfan?[/quote]
It's only been one game, but I think Ponds and Heron showed great chemistry. Heron doesn't appear to be a volume shooter to me. He got his in a variety of ways and he seems fine picking his spots whereas Ponds likes to get his in bunches and then run some point for stretches.[/quote]
Hey look who is back on here.
What you only save your crazy stuff for JJ?
I agree looked like Heron can get his stuff within the flow and has multiple ways of scoring.
But yea only one game against bad team.[/quote]
I'm over the moon with Heron. As a Johnny fan I expected the worst. It's only been one game, but he looked just like the 1998-99 guys to me. He can legitimately rebound and take it coast to coast. His post ups were the best we've had since probably Hamilton and any coach worth his salt will make sure that becomes a staple when we need to stop a scoring slump or in the final minutes of close games. His shot looked good and he had solid #s from deep last year.
The biggest question I had coming in to this season is where Simon fits in. I was worried he'd bully his way into a perimeter role. Heron and LJ--and Dixon to a lesser extent--have lead me to believe that Simon will acquiesce to a rebounding forward role before long. Ponds-Heron-LJ-Trimble all seem to play at the same pace and appear to be on the same page. Simon is faster and more wild. Dixon isn't too far behind him.
Where is Lawmanfan?[/quote]
It's only been one game, but I think Ponds and Heron showed great chemistry. Heron doesn't appear to be a volume shooter to me. He got his in a variety of ways and he seems fine picking his spots whereas Ponds likes to get his in bunches and then run some point for stretches.[/quote]
Hey look who is back on here.
What you only save your crazy stuff for JJ?
I agree looked like Heron can get his stuff within the flow and has multiple ways of scoring.
But yea only one game against bad team.[/quote]
I'm over the moon with Heron. As a Johnny fan I expected the worst. It's only been one game, but he looked just like the 1998-99 guys to me. He can legitimately rebound and take it coast to coast. His post ups were the best we've had since probably Hamilton and any coach worth his salt will make sure that becomes a staple when we need to stop a scoring slump or in the final minutes of close games. His shot looked good and he had solid #s from deep last year.
The biggest question I had coming in to this season is where Simon fits in. I was worried he'd bully his way into a perimeter role. Heron and LJ--and Dixon to a lesser extent--have lead me to believe that Simon will acquiesce to a rebounding forward role before long. Ponds-Heron-LJ-Trimble all seem to play at the same pace and appear to be on the same page. Simon is faster and more wild. Dixon isn't too far behind him.
[quote="fuchsia" post=301027]My memory of Bootsy is great 3 pt shooter, whether born out by stats or not I don't know.[/quote]
Bootsy hit some big threes and that is what he is known for. The highlight being the 40 he scorched Duke for. But I've said this before that I think his real skill was positioning. He was pretty brilliant and shot over 50% from 2 a lot of that right under the basket.
Bootsy hit some big threes and that is what he is known for. The highlight being the 40 he scorched Duke for. But I've said this before that I think his real skill was positioning. He was pretty brilliant and shot over 50% from 2 a lot of that right under the basket.
[quote="fuchsia" post=301027]My memory of Bootsy is great 3 pt shooter, whether born out by stats or not I don't know.[/quote]
37% at STJ. Good, not great, but as clutch as they come. Made the ones that mattered in the games that mattered. Major reason those teams won 53 games in 2 years.
37% at STJ. Good, not great, but as clutch as they come. Made the ones that mattered in the games that mattered. Major reason those teams won 53 games in 2 years.