Schedule

Creighton and Nova should move into the top 25 today when the polls come out. Nova bounced back quickly, and Furman may also move into the top 25.

Honestly, the Big East will not get many teams into the tournament this year, but there is NO excuse for us not to be one of them.

Xavier, Seton Hall, DePaul, Georgetown should definitely be the bottom four, and Providence/Butler are good but we are absolutely a step above them talent wise.

If we are not in the top 4 of the Big East standings and miss the tourney, Mullin should be fired.
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=304100][quote="newsman13" post=304060][quote="Marillac" post=303955]I think this schedule is a thing of beauty. I don't believe we are a very good team but I see the signs of us becoming one. VCU is as good of a team as we could have beaten at this stage (if we weren't absolutely on fire).

We've been tested with a big man from BG, solid guards, and now a pressing team. Throw in the last minute close game experience and that is all you can ask for.

I'm looking forward to some cupcakes before and after Ga Tech to get Roberts and Williams some experience and for our guys to gel more. Just gotta survive that Ga Tech game.[/quote]

VCU won 18 games last year and have some good players back...plus some transfers.
This was a good win.[/quote]

Strongly disagree. They were picked to finish towards the bottom of the A10 which will probably be a 1 bid league this year, and aren't even a top 100 Kenpom team. This would have been a bad loss. Thankfully we pulled it out.[/quote]

So you say it would've been a bad loss but yet called Ponds performance "embarrassing"? Does it occur to you that if Ponds didn't do what he did we would be 4-1 right now? You can't have it both ways, being happy we won but yet trashing the only reason we did win. Ponds should have gotten Fig a couple more looks but that is it. Heron and Clark were not hitting. If Ponds had 23 points instead of 35 and passed it a couple more possessions, we would have lost. If you actually thing Ponds is an embarrassment, wait till next year when he's gone, you'll be begging for him back
 
Mike Tyson said that everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth. When teams punch St. John's in the mouth, team ball stops and the Ponds show begins. Not everyone wants the spotlight and the pressure. Ponds does. I really don't see a NBA path for him, as there are bigger, stronger and more athletic guards all over the NBA that can also shoot better. What may get him there is that he is a fearless player that can get the shot he wants, and make the shot or get to the line. He sees the opening, and slices through traffic like a running back finding a hole. He also has a great touch around the basket., and hits shots on the move that most players can't make.

Still, when the schedule gets, better, we need more team play from the opening tap to the final buzzer. Team harmony requires it.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=304737][quote="jcoggs" post=304725]How many wins in the big east assuming they go 12-1 OCC to make the tournament.[/quote]

With our weak schedule, we have to go 13-5 in conference with at least one win in the Big East Tournament. That’s 26-7. That should do it. Anything less and we are on the bubble unless we somehow beat Duke.[/quote]


Lolololololol Are you out of your mind? We'd be a 4-5 seed at 26-7. 20 wins is the magic # this year with a 9-9 regular season conference record.

We play the #1 team in the country on the road. Every single Big East team is in the top 89 already in KenPom with all but Gtwon being top 75. 4 teams are ahead of us and in the top 34.
 
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Nova #23 in AP, full poll
https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

Others receiving votes:Arizona St 156, Clemson 135, Furman 72, Creighton 65, LSU 41, Indiana 35, UCLA 30, Iowa St. 22, St. John's 19, Minnesota 17, Miami 10, TCU 8, Syracuse 8, Arkansas 6, Nebraska 6, Notre Dame 4, UConn 4, Florida 3, UCF 3, Houston 1, Davidson 1.
 
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Some of the posts in this thread are just insane.

Ponds was amazing to end the VCU game. Ideally, he would have not taken a few of those long threes and got Figueroa more looks, but he's an All-American and I'd rather put the ball in his hands than anyone in the country late.

Clark was a disaster and really needs to stop dribbling for the time being. We can't afford 5 turnovers from the center position. Simon looked like he never played basketball the day after his best game as a Johnny. Heron was lost on offense--which is expects tone to time early in the season. Figueroa was good and needs more touches. He puts a ton of pressure on the defense and can pass his ass off.

We're going to be a very good if not elite offensive team. When you've got so many guys that can score and do a bunch of things, roles need to form, chemistry needs to build, and guys need to get on the same page. This team will be all about constantly finding the mismatch. There will always be one.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=304806][quote="SJU11phd" post=304100][quote="newsman13" post=304060][quote="Marillac" post=303955]I think this schedule is a thing of beauty. I don't believe we are a very good team but I see the signs of us becoming one. VCU is as good of a team as we could have beaten at this stage (if we weren't absolutely on fire).

We've been tested with a big man from BG, solid guards, and now a pressing team. Throw in the last minute close game experience and that is all you can ask for.

I'm looking forward to some cupcakes before and after Ga Tech to get Roberts and Williams some experience and for our guys to gel more. Just gotta survive that Ga Tech game.[/quote]

VCU won 18 games last year and have some good players back...plus some transfers.
This was a good win.[/quote]

Strongly disagree. They were picked to finish towards the bottom of the A10 which will probably be a 1 bid league this year, and aren't even a top 100 Kenpom team. This would have been a bad loss. Thankfully we pulled it out.[/quote]

So you say it would've been a bad loss but yet called Ponds performance "embarrassing"? Does it occur to you that if Ponds didn't do what he did we would be 4-1 right now? You can't have it both ways, being happy we won but yet trashing the only reason we did win. Ponds should have gotten Fig a couple more looks but that is it. Heron and Clark were not hitting. If Ponds had 23 points instead of 35 and passed it a couple more possessions, we would have lost. If you actually thing Ponds is an embarrassment, wait till next year when he's gone, you'll be begging for him back[/quote]

No it doesn't occur to me that if it weren't for Ponds performance we would be 4-1. If we would have ran an actual offense where one player doesn't bring the ball up and play hero ball on every possession we probably would have beaten VCU much more handily.

How do you expect the other players like Figueroa and Heron to get into a flow of the offense when one guy is just playing completely selfish and shooting every time he touches the ball? Of course they are going to struggle when the only looks they get are out of the flow of the offense.

To be clear I actually love Ponds, and think he's one of the most talented players ever to play at SJU, but my real beef is with the coaching staff that can't control their players, and seem more and more clueless. Yes we're 5-0 and that's great, but the lack of coaching is really going to rear its ugly head when we start playing better competition in conference. We were 10-2, I believe, last year heading into conference play, and look what happened.
 
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St Johns ranked 29th in the NET rankings, the metric selection committee will now use. Higher than I expected. Seton Hall is 85. #sjubb #shbb

Big East NET rankings:

29. St. John's #sjubb
36. Creighton #RollJays
38. Villanova #NovaNation
45. Butler #Butler
76. Georgetown #HoyaSaxa
78. DePaul #dpubb
85. Seton Hall #shubb
99. Marquette #mubb
101. Xavier #LetsGoX
115. Providence #pcbb
 
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[quote="Marillac" post=304813][quote="Mean Gene" post=304737][quote="jcoggs" post=304725]How many wins in the big east assuming they go 12-1 OCC to make the tournament.[/quote]

With our weak schedule, we have to go 13-5 in conference with at least one win in the Big East Tournament. That’s 26-7. That should do it. Anything less and we are on the bubble unless we somehow beat Duke.[/quote]


Lolololololol Are you out of your mind? We'd be a 4-5 seed at 26-7. 20 wins is the magic # this year with a 9-9 regular season conference record.

We play the #1 team in the country on the road. Every single Big East team is in the top 89 already in KenPom with all but Gtwon being top 75. 4 teams are ahead of us and in the top 34.[/quote]


20 wins and 9-9 conf record might not even get us into the NIT this season.

23 wins is the magic number I think. Anything less than 22 and we are definately out.
 
Also useful for reference to NET rankings:
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[quote="SJU11phd" post=304816][quote="Jack Williams" post=304806][quote="SJU11phd" post=304100][quote="newsman13" post=304060][quote="Marillac" post=303955]I think this schedule is a thing of beauty. I don't believe we are a very good team but I see the signs of us becoming one. VCU is as good of a team as we could have beaten at this stage (if we weren't absolutely on fire).

We've been tested with a big man from BG, solid guards, and now a pressing team. Throw in the last minute close game experience and that is all you can ask for.

I'm looking forward to some cupcakes before and after Ga Tech to get Roberts and Williams some experience and for our guys to gel more. Just gotta survive that Ga Tech game.[/quote]

VCU won 18 games last year and have some good players back...plus some transfers.
This was a good win.[/quote]

Strongly disagree. They were picked to finish towards the bottom of the A10 which will probably be a 1 bid league this year, and aren't even a top 100 Kenpom team. This would have been a bad loss. Thankfully we pulled it out.[/quote]

So you say it would've been a bad loss but yet called Ponds performance "embarrassing"? Does it occur to you that if Ponds didn't do what he did we would be 4-1 right now? You can't have it both ways, being happy we won but yet trashing the only reason we did win. Ponds should have gotten Fig a couple more looks but that is it. Heron and Clark were not hitting. If Ponds had 23 points instead of 35 and passed it a couple more possessions, we would have lost. If you actually thing Ponds is an embarrassment, wait till next year when he's gone, you'll be begging for him back[/quote]

No it doesn't occur to me that if it weren't for Ponds performance we would be 4-1. If we would have ran an actual offense where one player doesn't bring the ball up and play hero ball on every possession we probably would have beaten VCU much more handily.

How do you expect the other players like Figueroa and Heron to get into a flow of the offense when one guy is just playing completely selfish and shooting every time he touches the ball? Of course they are going to struggle when the only looks they get are out of the flow of the offense.

To be clear I actually love Ponds, and think he's one of the most talented players ever to play at SJU, but my real beef is with the coaching staff that can't control their players, and seem more and more clueless. Yes we're 5-0 and that's great, but the lack of coaching is really going to rear its ugly head when we start playing better competition in conference. We were 10-2, I believe, last year heading into conference play, and look what happened.[/quote]

We should have lost that game. Ponds was the only reason why we didnt. He had 35 pts 7 ASSISTS 7 steals and four rebounds. He shot 44% from the floor and was 12-15 from the lone. He was visibly off...2-12 from the floor! Simon was dreadful with 5 turnovers and we all know his deer in headlights act late in games. Clark has 3 turnovers and it felt like he could have had ten.

Dixon had some grear contributions but I'm not okay putting a game in his hands in any way at this point. It was Ponds and Figueroa. I think if Ponds could do it again he get Figgy more involved.

Ponds stole this game from VCU. Simple as that.
 
There is hope for this NET. seems to be emphasizing wins and quality/efficiency. Love seeing Syracuse at 92. 8 votes in the poll is a joke. I wonder if all 8 of those votes are Syracuse Journalism alum.
 
[quote="TobinGrad" post=304819][quote="Marillac" post=304813][quote="Mean Gene" post=304737][quote="jcoggs" post=304725]How many wins in the big east assuming they go 12-1 OCC to make the tournament.[/quote]

With our weak schedule, we have to go 13-5 in conference with at least one win in the Big East Tournament. That’s 26-7. That should do it. Anything less and we are on the bubble unless we somehow beat Duke.[/quote]


Lolololololol Are you out of your mind? We'd be a 4-5 seed at 26-7. 20 wins is the magic # this year with a 9-9 regular season conference record.

We play the #1 team in the country on the road. Every single Big East team is in the top 89 already in KenPom with all but Gtwon being top 75. 4 teams are ahead of us and in the top 34.[/quote]


20 wins and 9-9 conf record might not even get us into the NIT this season.

23 wins is the magic number I think. Anything less than 22 and we are definately out.[/quote]

Thanks for the laugh. I'll be referencing this post later in the year.
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=304816][quote="Jack Williams" post=304806][quote="SJU11phd" post=304100][quote="newsman13" post=304060][quote="Marillac" post=303955]I think this schedule is a thing of beauty. I don't believe we are a very good team but I see the signs of us becoming one. VCU is as good of a team as we could have beaten at this stage (if we weren't absolutely on fire).

We've been tested with a big man from BG, solid guards, and now a pressing team. Throw in the last minute close game experience and that is all you can ask for.

I'm looking forward to some cupcakes before and after Ga Tech to get Roberts and Williams some experience and for our guys to gel more. Just gotta survive that Ga Tech game.[/quote]

VCU won 18 games last year and have some good players back...plus some transfers.
This was a good win.[/quote]

Strongly disagree. They were picked to finish towards the bottom of the A10 which will probably be a 1 bid league this year, and aren't even a top 100 Kenpom team. This would have been a bad loss. Thankfully we pulled it out.[/quote]

So you say it would've been a bad loss but yet called Ponds performance "embarrassing"? Does it occur to you that if Ponds didn't do what he did we would be 4-1 right now? You can't have it both ways, being happy we won but yet trashing the only reason we did win. Ponds should have gotten Fig a couple more looks but that is it. Heron and Clark were not hitting. If Ponds had 23 points instead of 35 and passed it a couple more possessions, we would have lost. If you actually thing Ponds is an embarrassment, wait till next year when he's gone, you'll be begging for him back[/quote]

No it doesn't occur to me that if it weren't for Ponds performance we would be 4-1. If we would have ran an actual offense where one player doesn't bring the ball up and play hero ball on every possession we probably would have beaten VCU much more handily.

How do you expect the other players like Figueroa and Heron to get into a flow of the offense when one guy is just playing completely selfish and shooting every time he touches the ball? Of course they are going to struggle when the only looks they get are out of the flow of the offense.

To be clear I actually love Ponds, and think he's one of the most talented players ever to play at SJU, but my real beef is with the coaching staff that can't control their players, and seem more and more clueless. Yes we're 5-0 and that's great, but the lack of coaching is really going to rear its ugly head when we start playing better competition in conference. We were 10-2, I believe, last year heading into conference play, and look what happened.[/quote]

Maybe you should watch the game again. Heron was given numerous opportunities to get it going, and he kept missing, and the game was slipping away. Clark was given plenty of opportunities also, hell, we went to him at the end of regulation! He airballed.

Or how about the time when it was neck and neck and we really needed a bucket late, and Ponds played that unselfish ball you so crave, finding Justin Simon in the corner wide open. Do you remember what happened there? Oh yea an airball, not even close.

If you want team ball, look no further than the Rutgers game a week ago. We played great team ball and won easily, because everyone was hitting their shots. When no one is hitting their shots, you have to go with your star. We did against VCU.

can’t believe how dissatisfied this board was and is with the VCU win. Yes it was a WIN. You can’t even tell with the mood on here sometimes. Yea we could do a lot of things better, of course, we need to have a better offense and sure up our perimeter defense, but jeez, I didn’t think I’d see the day where our fans call a 36 point peformance + a game winner “embarrassing”. Sorry it wasn’t the prettiest win but have you watched St. John’s basketball the last 10 years? Forget getting a pretty win most of the time we don’t even get a win. As of now we are undefeated, let’s enjoy life a little bit
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=304824]
Maybe you should watch the game again. Heron was given numerous opportunities to get it going, and he kept missing, and the game was slipping away. Clark was given plenty of opportunities also, hell, we went to him at the end of regulation! He airballed.
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You are correct. It was a frustrating game to watch because the guys were tired and Clark and Heron were missing early and Fig seemed less energetic. In my opinion the refs took Heron out of the game, not Ponds. Ponds took over even though it was clear he was gassed early in the game. It is easy to look at his style and write him off as a hot dog but he did what he needed to do and we got the W and Championship. Hard few days rewarded.

Also it should be pointed out that both Heron and Clark as well as Fig and Simon ALL made crucial plays that changed the outcome of the game AND Dixon was consistently good and efficient.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=304825][quote="Jack Williams" post=304824]
Maybe you should watch the game again. Heron was given numerous opportunities to get it going, and he kept missing, and the game was slipping away. Clark was given plenty of opportunities also, hell, we went to him at the end of regulation! He airballed.
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You are correct. It was a frustrating game to watch because the guys were tired and Clark and Heron were missing early and Fig seemed less energetic. In my opinion the refs took Heron out of the game, not Ponds. Ponds took over even though it was clear he was gassed early in the game. It is easy to look at his style and write him off as a hot dog but he did what he needed to do and we got the W and Championship. Hard few days rewarded.

Also it should be pointed out that both Heron and Clark as well as Fig and Simon ALL made crucial plays that changed the outcome of the game AND Dixon was consistently good and efficient.[/quote]

No doubt. They all contributed at some point. The dunk from Clark was a huge momentum shift. The alley oop and one from Simon woke up a team that slept walked through the first half. Dixon hit a crucial 3 in the second half. We needed a bucket and someone bricked badly and the ball went right to Dixon who shot it immediately and hit.

Everyone made plays. We just needed Shamorie to make a couple extra plays because he is the leader and the best player on this team
 
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