I've heard enough about our supposedly poor OOC schedule. Every major school puts "wins" on their schedule. That being said, we've had some major wins OOC as well. Like TEMPLE beat Villanova, Rutgers and number one Houston at Houston... NEBRASKA beat Creighton at Creighton, Ohio State, Boston College and Florida State. FLORIDA STATE beat Notre Dame twice, Louisville and Pitt. IOWA STATE is ranked and SYRACUSE is New York's team. We've beaten some decent teams.
Schedule reality check
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Anthony Mattia
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I would like to see a tougher OOC schedule too, but it won't help if we enter conference play at 2-9
Signature wins for those programs really don't mean anything for us unless they build on them and raise their NET significantly.
#10 Iowa St (obviously a great opponent but also was away which made it a really difficult game)
#92 Nebraska
#101 Syracuse
#126 Temple
#187 Florida St
Tons of awful sub-300 teams
Unless several of those teams go on major runs to reach Q1/Q2 status, then it's still a bad schedule. It's not a terrible schedule and we could've made the Tournament at 11-9 BE I think, but it required us going 10-1 at a MINIMUM and also totally underprepared us for Big East play. It was clear just how bad it was when you had people rooting for Temple to upset the Big East's flagship program at the time (plus Nova is a team we play 2-3 times- so that was flawed reasoning).
Needs to be significantly better next year, which fortunately the school has finally realized based on the schedule so far.
#10 Iowa St (obviously a great opponent but also was away which made it a really difficult game)
#92 Nebraska
#101 Syracuse
#126 Temple
#187 Florida St
Tons of awful sub-300 teams
Unless several of those teams go on major runs to reach Q1/Q2 status, then it's still a bad schedule. It's not a terrible schedule and we could've made the Tournament at 11-9 BE I think, but it required us going 10-1 at a MINIMUM and also totally underprepared us for Big East play. It was clear just how bad it was when you had people rooting for Temple to upset the Big East's flagship program at the time (plus Nova is a team we play 2-3 times- so that was flawed reasoning).
Needs to be significantly better next year, which fortunately the school has finally realized based on the schedule so far.
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Had Anderson played Storr for major minutes during the OOC games as well as some of the other subs you could say the weak OOC schedule was a success.
However he failed to do that, secured his winning record but then payed the price when the big east schedule started.
However he failed to do that, secured his winning record but then payed the price when the big east schedule started.
A solid OOC schedule maximizes your chances for favorable metrics related to “Dancing”, prepares the team for BE wars, enables staff to judge lineup fits w kids facing good opponents and gives fans enjoyable games v too much cream puff nonsense.
The double whammy of mediocre SJU OOC schedule and another dreadful start in BE play seems a snap shot of current state of a floundering program sliding further away from relevance every day.
The double whammy of mediocre SJU OOC schedule and another dreadful start in BE play seems a snap shot of current state of a floundering program sliding further away from relevance every day.
Yes every team plays cream puffs but that doesn't make all OOC schedules nearly the same. Our non conf schedule was ranked like 350 out of some 360 schools so does the fact the team that played the number one NCS and played 5 cupcakes put them in the same category as us? Of course not. (Post not directed at you LJSA-speaking in general).
MugCostanza
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This team is nowhere near the bubble regardless of who they would have played in November and December.
Had they replaced 2 or 3 of those sub300 teams with top 75-100 teams they would have lost one or two of em
NIT bubble
The problem is we never give ourselves a chance for a meaningful quad 1 win in the OOC schedule. Our only opportuntiies wind up beating a BE quad 1 team here and there, which is never enough to get us on, let alone over, the bubble for an at large bid. Unless we do better than .500 in the conference, which has not happened in years, we are mired in mediocrity.
redmen4life
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putting the metrics aside for a moment, IMO the biggest problem with the weak ooc schedule is that it gave the team a false sense of confidence. beating up on weak teams did nothing to make us better. CMA felt no urgency to make adjustments. no urgency to control jones. or figure out how to use curbelo. didn't give aj more time. so now, all the bad habits from the ooc are being exploited by good teams. i frankly would have preferred a 3 game losing streak in november if it forced CMA to make the adjustments we've seen over the last 2-3 weeks. i think we'd be a much better team.... oh well... 
Excellent post Redmen4life, agreed 100%!putting the metrics aside for a moment, IMO the biggest problem with the weak ooc schedule is that it gave the team a false sense of confidence. beating up on weak teams did nothing to make us better. CMA felt no urgency to make adjustments. no urgency to control jones. or figure out how to use curbelo. didn't give aj more time. so now, all the bad habits from the ooc are being exploited by good teams. i frankly would have preferred a 3 game losing streak in november if it forced CMA to make the adjustments we've seen over the last 2-3 weeks. i think we'd be a much better team.... oh well...
Johnny Rapper
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Exactly which begs the question, ......is Anderson more concerned with keeping his record intact based on weak non conference schedules provided by M. Cragg or with the ultimate development with the program. Do they go hand in hand, perhaps but not when players who needed more time didn't get it so the BOGUS wins piled up.
Johnny Rapper
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It not only gave the team false sense of confidence but the fan base as well. I remember posting prior to conference games that even though the team was winning, the team did not play or look good at all. The mistakes, bad shots, poor passing, turnovers were masked by the teams size against these cupcakes and their athleticism. If a shot was missed, no big deal, an offensive board was forthcoming. I also remember how many fans called me negative and crazy cause the team was winning and how the team was going to do well. I also remember saying that the Posh - Curbelo combo could be a negative and was lambasted for that as well. Aside from the fact that those posters might consider a class in "basic Basketball", in the future, perhaps such alternate ideas should not be met with such animosity when now some of those same posters are the most vocal calling for Anderson's head.putting the metrics aside for a moment, IMO the biggest problem with the weak ooc schedule is that it gave the team a false sense of confidence. beating up on weak teams did nothing to make us better. CMA felt no urgency to make adjustments. no urgency to control jones. or figure out how to use curbelo. didn't give aj more time. so now, all the bad habits from the ooc are being exploited by good teams. i frankly would have preferred a 3 game losing streak in november if it forced CMA to make the adjustments we've seen over the last 2-3 weeks. i think we'd be a much better team.... oh well...
Seriously..... What's up with you always playing the martyr and feigning victim? It's passive-aggressive and narcissistic behavior.
Usually Florida State and Syracuse would be Quad 1 games.
Rocket
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The Nova loss was a real buzz killer! Granted our weak preseason schedule but we did not lose to the D2 teams like previous years and as stated above, in good years wins over teams like Temple, Florida State and Syracuse meant something. This team has the talent to compete but not dominate any team. As the Paultzman has said many times, the margin of error is very small and it is errors that have lost most of our games. Players like Posh and Curbelo being the biggest culprits.