Rysheed Jordan

Wow. That’s a really well written piece. I’m happy I got the chance to read that. All I can think of is A Bronx Tale...”The worst thing in life is wasted talent.” Sad.
 
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There's so much to say, and nothing to say.

I did ask about him the other night. Father Rock still visits him. Sju has many great people. Father Rock is one.

Jayson William's says that when no one wanted to know him, sju stood by him.

Few if any of us grew up in the circumstances rysheed did. The story is nauseating to a degree. The gyms we walk into, cheer in, the campus we walk on , was this kid's also just a few years ago. Yea, some really bad choices, but a kid who hoped to stay and play for Mullin's 1st team is now in jail. If there is a second chance, hope he makes it. Maybe working with athletes at risk would be a role here for D'Angelo some day.
 
It’s a sad tale. Hopefully he rights his life and his brother avoids Rahseed’s mistakes.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=309306]Just saw this on internet & thought I would share it. Apologize if this dated piece was posted before, but thought it worth sharing;

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...e-streets-of-philly-swallowed-an-nba-prospect[/quote]

Thanks for sharing but what a tough tough life this kid has had. Makes it all that much sadder around Christmas when we are all in such festive moods,
Enjoying the finer things life has to offer with loved ones and friends. I really hope this kid gets proper legal help so that As Beast said he gets a possible second chance at life.
 
Agreed on all fronts. Father Rock also recently mentioned to me that RJ was transferred to a different facility in PA for disciplinary reasons. Not sure if he he had time added to his sentence or not. I think about RJ often; I’m not sure how any of us would have turned out any differently given his situation.
 
[quote="CBA1992" post=309403]Agreed on all fronts. Father Rock also recently mentioned to me that RJ was transferred to a different facility in PA for disciplinary reasons. Not sure if he he had time added to his sentence or not. I think about RJ often; I’m not sure how any of us would have turned out any differently given his situation.[/quote]

Honestly, many have endured as much or more and led productive lives, just as many went through less and suffered similar results. No guarantees, no formulas for life. I am not cold or unfeeling but to make the choice to put a gun in your hand and shoot at someone has consequences as well it should. Jordan’s story is certainly sad but there is another side to these types of stories that all too often gets forgotten, the victim.
 
[quote="Logen" post=309415][quote="CBA1992" post=309403]Agreed on all fronts. Father Rock also recently mentioned to me that RJ was transferred to a different facility in PA for disciplinary reasons. Not sure if he he had time added to his sentence or not. I think about RJ often; I’m not sure how any of us would have turned out any differently given his situation.[/quote]

Honestly, many have endured as much or more and led productive lives, just as many went through less and suffered similar results. No guarantees, no formulas for life. I am not cold or unfeeling but to make the choice to put a gun in your hand and shoot at someone has consequences as well it should. Jordan’s story is certainly sad but there is another side to these types of stories that all too often gets forgotten, the victim.[/quo

Excellent point.I would also suggest we as a society should consider giving people a second chance at taking the correct path. This should especially apply to younger people.Understand some mistakes are worse then others. No third chance.
 
Logen Wrote: Honestly, many have endured as much or more and led productive lives, just as many went through less and suffered similar results. No guarantees, no formulas for life. I am not cold or unfeeling but to make the choice to put a gun in your hand and shoot at someone has consequences as well it should. Jordan’s story is certainly sad but there is another side to these types of stories that all too often gets forgotten, the victim.


I liked this article and found it really interesting.

The piece was clearly not written about the victim nor was it posted here for that reason either. In fact it steers clear of the details (see below)* of the crime from Rysheed's point of view probably because it probably would impact his case that has not come to trial yet.

*"On Memorial Day weekend in 2016, Jordan was outside the Athletic Recreation Center. According to reports from CSN Philly and Philly.com, two people approached him and his friends, who were inside a car, to buy marijuana, and things erupted between the two groups. Jordan's group allegedly tried to rob the other two men, and when the two men fled, one was shot in the arm, with Jordan alleged to have pulled the trigger.

A few days later, at 2:03 a.m. on June 1, Jordan ran a red light, according to reports. He jumped out of his car and ran. Police arrested him after a chase. He was charged with robbery, criminal conspiracy, weapons charges and attempted murder, among others."

Rysheed has obviously made bad choices that is pretty clear. However I believe the point of the article is that things are never black and white and that there are shades of gray when examining a life gone wrong. It is those shades of gray that evoke compassion and hope for redemption for any individual who has made a horrific choice. The jails are filled with some fundamentally good people who have come from less than ideal circumstances and have made some real mistakes.

The hope for redemption for people like Rysheed has nothing to do with marginalizing the victim's pain and their suffering it has to do with the realization that a life spent behind bars is not always the best answer for people and has its own dynamics on the lives of individuals and their families.

When Rysheed was here we cheered for him and hoped for the best. Just because he is behind bars I think it would be disingenuous not to still hope that he finds a path for redemption.
 
[quote="ghostzapper" post=309431]Logen Wrote: Honestly, many have endured as much or more and led productive lives, just as many went through less and suffered similar results. No guarantees, no formulas for life. I am not cold or unfeeling but to make the choice to put a gun in your hand and shoot at someone has consequences as well it should. Jordan’s story is certainly sad but there is another side to these types of stories that all too often gets forgotten, the victim.


I liked this article and found it really interesting.

The piece was clearly not written about the victim nor was it posted here for that reason either. In fact it steers clear of the details (see below)* of the crime from Rysheed's point of view probably because it probably would impact his case that has not come to trial yet.

*"On Memorial Day weekend in 2016, Jordan was outside the Athletic Recreation Center. According to reports from CSN Philly and Philly.com, two people approached him and his friends, who were inside a car, to buy marijuana, and things erupted between the two groups. Jordan's group allegedly tried to rob the other two men, and when the two men fled, one was shot in the arm, with Jordan alleged to have pulled the trigger.

A few days later, at 2:03 a.m. on June 1, Jordan ran a red light, according to reports. He jumped out of his car and ran. Police arrested him after a chase. He was charged with robbery, criminal conspiracy, weapons charges and attempted murder, among others."

Rysheed has obviously made bad choices that is pretty clear. However I believe the point of the article is that things are never black and white and that there are shades of gray when examining a life gone wrong. It is those shades of gray that evoke compassion and hope for redemption for any individual who has made a horrific choice. The jails are filled with some fundamentally good people who have come from less than ideal circumstances and have made some real mistakes.

The hope for redemption for people like Rysheed has nothing to do with marginalizing the victim's pain and their suffering it has to do with the realization that a life spent behind bars is not always the best answer for people and has its own dynamics on the lives of individuals and their families.

When Rysheed was here we cheered for him and hoped for the best. Just because he is behind bars I think it would be disingenuous not to still hope that he finds a path for redemption.[/quote]

Intelligent and well thought out response. Don’t totally agree because I think there are first mistakes and then there are first mistakes, if you get what I mean. But you make valid points on a very tough subject and I appreciate the discourse.
 
Interesting read, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for Rysheed. I understand that he had a tough upbringing, and has gone through some things that no one should ever have to go through. However, he was given every opportunity in the world to be successful, a lot more than most people in similar situations, and he CHOSE not to take advantage of it. You would think that because of how and where he grew up, that that would be all the more motivation to not screw up. Do I think this young man's life should be completely over because of the decisions he made? Not at all, but I do expect him to have to deal with the consequences of those decisions.
 
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=309491]Interesting read, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for Rysheed. I understand that he had a tough upbringing, and has gone through some things that no one should ever have to go through. However, he was given every opportunity in the world to be successful, a lot more than most people in similar situations, and he CHOSE not to take advantage of it.[/quote]

Let me understand this Eric, he grew up in a terrible neighbourhood, no father, a sick mother, 6 or 7 younger siblings that he was the father to, looked after those siblings as his sick mother worked , had family members murdered during college and you say he had every opportunity in the world to be successful.
Here was a kid who was a 6 4 great athlete who showed a great deal of promise in basketball, let’s not forget he was not a MCAA, was a home town legend nicknamed Black Jesus and was offered a scholarship to good, not great , universities. That is exactly what he had no more no less. But that is certainly not every opportunity in the world to be successful. All he had was the ability to make money playing basketball somewhere on this planet one day in the future if he was able to spend 3-4 yesrs in college and worked hard at improving his game. Unfortunately , he could not.
Did he make mistakes , sure he did and he and his extended family will suffer the terrible consequences of his mistakes for the rest of his life. However, if you take the time to look at Rysheeds background and try to imagine walking in his shoes for a while I would think you would be a little more sympathetic to his tragic plight. I know I certainly am.
Merry Christmas to you Eric.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=309501][quote="Eric Williamson" post=309491]Interesting read, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for Rysheed. I understand that he had a tough upbringing, and has gone through some things that no one should ever have to go through. However, he was given every opportunity in the world to be successful, a lot more than most people in similar situations, and he CHOSE not to take advantage of it.[/quote]

Let me understand this Eric, he grew up in a terrible neighbourhood, no father, a sick mother, 6 or 7 younger siblings that he was the father to, looked after those siblings as his sick mother worked , had family members murdered during college and you say he had every opportunity in the world to be successful.
Here was a kid who was a 6 4 great athlete who showed a great deal of promise in basketball, let’s not forget he was not a MCAA, was a home town legend nicknamed Black Jesus and was offered a scholarship to good, not great , universities. That is exactly what he had no more no less. But that is certainly not every opportunity in the world to be successful. All he had was the ability to make money playing basketball somewhere on this planet one day in the future if he was able to spend 3-4 yesrs in college and worked hard at improving his game. Unfortunately , he could not.
Did he make mistakes , sure he did and he and his extended family will suffer the terrible consequences of his mistakes for the rest of his life. However, if you take the time to look at Rysheeds background and try to imagine walking in his shoes for a while I would think you would be a little more sympathetic to his tragic plight. I know I certainly am.
Merry Christmas to you Eric.[/quote]

It is a tough subject, but at the end of the day, Jordan shot someone who was running away from him, his choice. He certainly wasn’t thinking about his family when he made the decision to pull the trigger. So the end result is sad and tragic but more so on the people who were evidently depending on him.
 
Logen wrote: It is a tough subject, but at the end of the day, Jordan shot someone who was running away from him, his choice. He certainly wasn’t thinking about his family when he made the decision to pull the trigger. So the end result is sad and tragic but more so on the people who were evidently depending on him.

One of the great things about college basketball is it occasionally throws a lifeline to kids who grew up in horrendous circumstances most of us can't even imagine. It doesn't always work out and in this case it didn't. I wish it had and won't judge this kid's actions other than to say he clearly has to pay a price for shooting someone. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes and things work out for him in the end.
 
[quote="Logen" post=309512][quote="redmannorth" post=309501][quote="Eric Williamson" post=309491]Interesting read, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for Rysheed. I understand that he had a tough upbringing, and has gone through some things that no one should ever have to go through. However, he was given every opportunity in the world to be successful, a lot more than most people in similar situations, and he CHOSE not to take advantage of it.[/quote]

Let me understand this Eric, he grew up in a terrible neighbourhood, no father, a sick mother, 6 or 7 younger siblings that he was the father to, looked after those siblings as his sick mother worked , had family members murdered during college and you say he had every opportunity in the world to be successful.
Here was a kid who was a 6 4 great athlete who showed a great deal of promise in basketball, let’s not forget he was not a MCAA, was a home town legend nicknamed Black Jesus and was offered a scholarship to good, not great , universities. That is exactly what he had no more no less. But that is certainly not every opportunity in the world to be successful. All he had was the ability to make money playing basketball somewhere on this planet one day in the future if he was able to spend 3-4 yesrs in college and worked hard at improving his game. Unfortunately , he could not.
Did he make mistakes , sure he did and he and his extended family will suffer the terrible consequences of his mistakes for the rest of his life. However, if you take the time to look at Rysheeds background and try to imagine walking in his shoes for a while I would think you would be a little more sympathetic to his tragic plight. I know I certainly am.
Merry Christmas to you Eric.[/quote]

It is a tough subject, but at the end of the day, Jordan shot someone who was running away from him, his choice. He certainly wasn’t thinking about his family when he made the decision to pull the trigger. So the end result is sad and tragic but more so on the people who were evidently depending on him.[/quote]

Logan I hear you loud and clear. At the initial mullin press conference I bought a cheap mullin jersey at a table the ad had set up. I chatted with a sweet doe eyed student worker who when asked about Jordan, said "he's a bad kid." In some ways no sympathy seems warranted.

In other ways we have college grads whose parents paid some or all of their tuition, still pay their cell phone and health insurance, subsidize their rent, attended all their soccer games and little league games and watch them blow out candles each year.

I lean towards redmannorths position because DNA may provide athletic skills but no immunology against the bc streets swallowing them.

It may be a contradiction for you to war with sju13 over edgerton bricks, defending a fine young man, but have no compassion for a kid asked to raise younger siblings at age 9. I dont know. I feel you, but my heart tells me that a little compassion and hope for this kid is in order, if not for his crime, for at least his shitty life that our kids did not have.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=309501][quote="Eric Williamson" post=309491]Interesting read, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for Rysheed. I understand that he had a tough upbringing, and has gone through some things that no one should ever have to go through. However, he was given every opportunity in the world to be successful, a lot more than most people in similar situations, and he CHOSE not to take advantage of it.[/quote]

Let me understand this Eric, he grew up in a terrible neighbourhood, no father, a sick mother, 6 or 7 younger siblings that he was the father to, looked after those siblings as his sick mother worked , had family members murdered during college and you say he had every opportunity in the world to be successful.
Here was a kid who was a 6 4 great athlete who showed a great deal of promise in basketball, let’s not forget he was not a MCAA, was a home town legend nicknamed Black Jesus and was offered a scholarship to good, not great , universities. That is exactly what he had no more no less. But that is certainly not every opportunity in the world to be successful. All he had was the ability to make money playing basketball somewhere on this planet one day in the future if he was able to spend 3-4 yesrs in college and worked hard at improving his game. Unfortunately , he could not.
Did he make mistakes , sure he did and he and his extended family will suffer the terrible consequences of his mistakes for the rest of his life. However, if you take the time to look at Rysheeds background and try to imagine walking in his shoes for a while I would think you would be a little more sympathetic to his tragic plight. I know I certainly am.
Merry Christmas to you Eric.[/quote]


I'm not saying that he didn't have a tough upbringing....he most definitely did. I certainly would not have been able to deal with all of that stuff. But with that being said, he was also given a tremendous opportunity. According to ESPN, he had offers from St. Johns, UCLA, and Temple. Apparently those aren't "great' universities. I would probably disagree with that statement. No matter who he had signed with, he would have been given a full scholarship, tutors at his disposal, a fantastic support system around him, and any other resource that he may have needed/wanted. To me, he was given the tools necessary to be successful.

Instead, he chose not to use what he was given (which in my opinion was alot more than most). He chose to not attend class and thus become academically ineligible. He chose not to have the dedication and work ethic necessary. He chose to not return to school and try to make it in the GLeague. He chose to get involved with drugs, and to have that gun on him. And ultimately, he chose to pull the trigger. And now he has to live with those choices.

So sorry/not sorry, but I have zero sympathy for him.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=309501][quote="Eric Williamson" post=309491]Interesting read, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for Rysheed. I understand that he had a tough upbringing, and has gone through some things that no one should ever have to go through. However, he was given every opportunity in the world to be successful, a lot more than most people in similar situations, and he CHOSE not to take advantage of it.[/quote]


Here was a kid who was a 6 4 great athlete who showed a great deal of promise in basketball, let’s not forget he was not a MCAA, was a home town legend nicknamed Black Jesus and was offered a scholarship to good, not great , universities. .
I may be wrong, but I thought he had MCAA talent, but the top programs investigated him and wouldn't touch him because of "off the court " issues. He was considered a risk. Anyone more in the know able to shed more light ?
 
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