RPI... which is right?

The way fans bitch and moan about our MSG attendance ALL our games there should be considered AWAY games. Our RPI would then be in the 20's.
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If more people showed up for Minnesota and Gonzaga they would have been the equivalent of home games. With the empty arena they felt more like neutral site games but those 2 teams travelled far distances so we definitely had an advantage.

I wouldn't call all our MSG games neutral site games but Duke definitely was. As were our Cuse and Nova games last year. Providence had a lot of people at our game with them and I'm sure Georgetown will bring a ton of their fans. There are so many alumni in NYC from all of the major schools that it tends to diminish our home court advantage at MSG. No one ever accounts for this when looking at our resume. There are pros and cons with playing at MSG. We have to take the good with the bad.
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The Pre-Season NIT was an invite tournament that just happened to be at MSG are neutral court games. Scheduled home games at MSG are different regardless of the crowd makeup.
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Exactly what I thought. It's almost like the Big East Tournament being counted as a neutral game.
 
Isn't it the job of our AD to be on top of this? I mean it's probably not something you'd expect someone to be looking at constantly unless they are a die hard, but if he was alerted maybe he can act
 
Isn't it the job of our AD to be on top of this? I mean it's probably not something you'd expect someone to be looking at constantly unless they are a die hard, but if he was alerted maybe he can act
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Exactly, so let's keep this top of the page until it is resolved. Could be as simple as an error. I know some people here have connections and this needs to be looked at now rather than selection Sunday.

Again, the difference is equivalent to picking up another win over Xavier on the road. It is HUGE.
 
Isn't it the job of our AD to be on top of this? I mean it's probably not something you'd expect someone to be looking at constantly unless they are a die hard, but if he was alerted maybe he can act
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Exactly, so let's keep this top of the page until it is resolved. Could be as simple as an error.

Again, the difference is equivalent to picking up another win over Xavier on the road. It is HUGE.
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This isn't something that is within our AD's control. Two different organizations choose different criteria gor their rankings. They can do as they please. There is no hard rule that is being ignored or violated. I suspect that one feels that if a school plays a certain amount of games on a particular court then it is a home court. They can do that, if they choose, in making their calculations.
 
Isn't it the job of our AD to be on top of this? I mean it's probably not something you'd expect someone to be looking at constantly unless they are a die hard, but if he was alerted maybe he can act
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Exactly, so let's keep this top of the page until it is resolved. Could be as simple as an error.

Again, the difference is equivalent to picking up another win over Xavier on the road. It is HUGE.
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This isn't something that is within our AD's control. Two different organizations choose different criteria gor their rankings. They can do as they please. There is no hard rule that is being ignored or violated. I suspect that one feels that if a school plays a certain amount of games on a particular court then it is a home court. They can do that, if they choose, in making their calculations.
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That is of course entirely possible. But what if it is an error that hasn't been noticed?
 
Good luck getting the NCAA to notice or even care about this! The best answer is for St. John's to stay far away from any preseason events at MSG in the future if this truly hurts us this year. Maui and The Bahamas will be neutral for us in the coming years. Even more reason to schedule events in November out of NY!
 
Isn't it the job of our AD to be on top of this? I mean it's probably not something you'd expect someone to be looking at constantly unless they are a die hard, but if he was alerted maybe he can act
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Exactly, so let's keep this top of the page until it is resolved. Could be as simple as an error.

Again, the difference is equivalent to picking up another win over Xavier on the road. It is HUGE.
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This isn't something that is within our AD's control. Two different organizations choose different criteria gor their rankings. They can do as they please. There is no hard rule that is being ignored or violated. I suspect that one feels that if a school plays a certain amount of games on a particular court then it is a home court. They can do that, if they choose, in making their calculations.
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From my understanding, this isn't something that is open to interpretation. If you play in a pre-season tournament, even if it's on your home court, that's a neutral site game. Maybe I'm missing something.
 
W the logic that the preseason MSG tourney is a home game. It would stand to reason that the BE tourney is a home game, which is not the case.
 
Isn't it the job of our AD to be on top of this? I mean it's probably not something you'd expect someone to be looking at constantly unless they are a die hard, but if he was alerted maybe he can act
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Exactly, so let's keep this top of the page until it is resolved. Could be as simple as an error.

Again, the difference is equivalent to picking up another win over Xavier on the road. It is HUGE.
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This isn't something that is within our AD's control. Two different organizations choose different criteria gor their rankings. They can do as they please. There is no hard rule that is being ignored or violated. I suspect that one feels that if a school plays a certain amount of games on a particular court then it is a home court. They can do that, if they choose, in making their calculations.
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From my understanding, this isn't something that is open to interpretation. If you play in a pre-season tournament, even if it's on your home court, that's a neutral site game. Maybe I'm missing something.
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That's what I thought which is why I feel this could be an error.

As fans there's only so much we can do. Even if bringing this to someone's attention has only a 1% chance of changing the outcome that's doing a lot more for the team than other posts on this forum.

And, if it is NOT an error then I hope SJU takes note and doesn't schedule tournament games at MSG anymore.
 
Isn't it the job of our AD to be on top of this? I mean it's probably not something you'd expect someone to be looking at constantly unless they are a die hard, but if he was alerted maybe he can act
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Exactly, so let's keep this top of the page until it is resolved. Could be as simple as an error.

Again, the difference is equivalent to picking up another win over Xavier on the road. It is HUGE.
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This isn't something that is within our AD's control. Two different organizations choose different criteria gor their rankings. They can do as they please. There is no hard rule that is being ignored or violated. I suspect that one feels that if a school plays a certain amount of games on a particular court then it is a home court. They can do that, if they choose, in making their calculations.
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From my understanding, this isn't something that is open to interpretation. If you play in a pre-season tournament, even if it's on your home court, that's a neutral site game. Maybe I'm missing something.
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That's what I thought which is why I feel this could be an error.

As fans there's only so much we can do. Even if bringing this to someone's attention has only a 1% chance of changing the outcome that's doing a lot more for the team than other posts on this forum.

And, if it is NOT an error then I hope SJU takes note and doesn't schedule tournament games at MSG anymore.
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I hope we continue to schedule as many games as possible at MSG but fan interest in the program grows to the point where MSG actually is a home court advantage and we have a better chance of beating a Gonzaga or Duke there. If we won either if those, no one is talking about the bubble right now.
 
I hope we continue to schedule as many games as possible at MSG but fan interest in the program grows to the point where MSG actually is a home court advantage and we have a better chance of beating a Gonzaga or Duke there. If we won either if those, no one is talking about the bubble right now.
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I kind of agree, but then why not Barclays if it doesn't count as home court?

Regardless I'm still convinced this could be a simple error that could dramatically impact our season.

Hell, even if we go on to win 5 games and clinch this with ease, a difference of 7/8 spots would mean a difference of seeding.
 


Looks like some people asked Zach from NY Post to look into it (not sure if he will though). Wouldn't hurt to ask others on Twitter too.
 
FS1 just had a graphic of our team up with an RPI of 50. Maybe they didn't update it correctly?
 
ESPN- 36
CBS- 42
NCAA- 41

We got a nice boost yesterday I believe from Syracuse and Xavier wins. Xavier win probably more important since their RPI also impacts the rest of the league, which in turn impacts us. We gained 4 spots.

RPI forecast gives us a 44% chance of finishing the season with an RPI under 50 (3 more wins). However, if those games counted as neutral we'd have a 79% chance (2 more wins). See what a difference 6 spots makes?
 
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