Roles for SJU Commits and Future Needs

[MCNPA]

Agree we need more impact players to be recruited.  I look at next years class and I think maybe we have one possible impact-type guy in Pinzon but not guaranteed.  Definitely need more, including another wing that can score to bring along.  We are building a very strong core but agree need a few more guys that are automatic scorers and maybe a big that can pressure teams on the inside a bit.  Stanley is a beefy kid, but more of a PF than a center.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Agree we need more impact players to be recruited.  I look at next years class and I think maybe we have one possible impact-type guy in Pinzon but not guaranteed.  Definitely need more, including another wing that can score to bring along.  We are building a very strong core but agree need a few more guys that are automatic scorers and maybe a big that can pressure teams on the inside a bit.  Stanley is a beefy kid, but more of a PF than a center.

Keep our system in mind. Stanley is physically built more like a center than Roberts. If CMA hits on one of those two freshmen bigs he’s got an interior piece for 3-4 years.

 

[mm52]

Keep our system in mind. Stanley is physically built more like a center than Roberts. If CMA hits on one of those two freshmen bigs he’s got an interior piece for 3-4 years.

We don't know yet if Stanley will be a more bulky Earlington, or give us a more significant inside presence like a Theo John.  He is, afterall, listed at 6'7".

 

[paultzman]

Keep our system in mind. Stanley is physically built more like a center than Roberts. If CMA hits on one of those two freshmen bigs he’s got an interior piece for 3-4 years.

We don't know yet if Stanley will be a more bulky Earlington, or give us a more significant inside presence like a Theo John.  He is, afterall, listed at 6'7".

Not a John type, is really an undersized PF

 

[MCNPA]

Agree we need more impact players to be recruited.  I look at next years class and I think maybe we have one possible impact-type guy in Pinzon but not guaranteed.  Definitely need more, including another wing that can score to bring along.  We are building a very strong core but agree need a few more guys that are automatic scorers and maybe a big that can pressure teams on the inside a bit.  Stanley is a beefy kid, but more of a PF than a center.

Keep our system in mind. Stanley is physically built more like a center than Roberts. If CMA hits on one of those two freshmen bigs he’s got an interior piece for 3-4 years.

I definitely don't consider Traore is a "big".  He's a forward more like Champs.  I can see him being very similar to Champs, with great motor and has some skill to range.  Not a big at all.   Our"bigs" are Nywie, Roberts and Stanley, which makes us very undersized overall.  Still, would like to add one more actual big that can maybe put a body on guys like Sanogo at UConn who we couldn't touch.  I don't want a lumbering big guy, but at least somebody 6'10"+ that can defend the post.

 

[lawmanfan]

A look at the possible 21/22 roster might be useful

PG:  Alexander (soph), Dunn (?) McGriff
SG:  Williams (sr), Cole, Wusu (soph)
SF:  Champagnie (jr), Pinzon (fr)
PF:  Earlington (sr), Traore (fr), Stanley (fr)
C:  Roberts (sr), Moore, Nyiwe (?)

Obviously we don't usually play those exact 5 positions, but it gives you an idea of what the depth is at each spot.  You could probably put Pinzon at the SG spot and Traore at the SF spot.  And as I've said before, I would play Moore at the 4 next to whoevever your 5 is, but at least so far Coach A clearly prefers to go small most of the time.

Either way the team is solid at four spots for 21/22 - PG, SG, SF and PF.  It would need to get more out of the 5 spot than it is this year, especially defensively and on the boards (though Stanley and Traore may help with that). Hopefully that's what Nyiwe gives you.  Obviously this assumes no roster turnover.  But to me that looks like a top-half Big East roster, especially given the experience factor.

For 22/23 the priority would seem to be recruits at the two guard positions and center.  You'd have to expect that you'd need to replace Champagnie by then, but hopefully Pinzon will be ready and by then you should be able to account for that loss with development at other positions.  IMO the real need at that point would (again, as usual), be a difference-making center.  Because that roster might look something like this:

PG:  Alexander (jr), McGriff (soph)
SG:  Wusu (jr), Pinzon (soph)
SF:  Traore (soph)
PF:  Stanley (soph)
C: 

Realistially I'd expect Coach to start Alexander, Wusu, Pinzon and Traore together, but no matter how you slice it the center position is likely to be a problem barring a signfiicant addition.

Not sure about how the eligibiltiy for Cole, More, and Nyiwe fits in here or what impact the extra year of eligibility or transfer hell will have on things, but it's a sketch anyway. 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Agree we need more impact players to be recruited.  I look at next years class and I think maybe we have one possible impact-type guy in Pinzon but not guaranteed.  Definitely need more, including another wing that can score to bring along.  We are building a very strong core but agree need a few more guys that are automatic scorers and maybe a big that can pressure teams on the inside a bit.  Stanley is a beefy kid, but more of a PF than a center.

Keep our system in mind. Stanley is physically built more like a center than Roberts. If CMA hits on one of those two freshmen bigs he’s got an interior piece for 3-4 years.

I definitely don't consider Traore is a "big".  He's a forward more like Champs.  I can see him being very similar to Champs, with great motor and has some skill to range.  Not a big at all.   Our"bigs" are Nywie, Roberts and Stanley, which makes us very undersized overall.  Still, would like to add one more actual big that can maybe put a body on guys like Sanogo at UConn who we couldn't touch.  I don't want a lumbering big guy, but at least somebody 6'10"+ that can defend the post.

I’ll disagree. If you’ve seen trore play he has no perimeter game. CMA likes his 4’s to have that. He is no smaller than Roberts and is an interior big. I don’t think you’ll see him playing next to Roberts or another traditional 5 because that’s the role he’s gonna have on offense.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

PSA Trore is not a wing forward 

 

[MCNPA]

this is no big...he's a tweener forward like Champs who also had no range in high school.  Traore maybe a tad more PF-like but he's not a post-guy in any way.  That's not a comparison to champs and how good Champs has become as a disclaimer. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nateblueis4real/status/1293348439401652225

 

[lawmanfan]

PSA Trore is not a wing forward 
 

Agree - old-fashioned positions aside, I'd expect the starters for 21/22 to be Alexander, Williams, Champagnie, Roberts, and either Cole or Wusu - basically a PG, 3 wings and a C. 

For 22/23 I'd expect (very preliminarily) Alexander, Wusu, Pinzon, and after that who knows.  You'd assume either Traore OR Stanley next to a 5.  Either way he's going to need to find a 5 for 22/23.  And he's going to need both Wusu and PInzon to develop, plus add some more wing talent and a freshman guard.  Lots of work to do for that year, but also some PT to give out and hopefully it will be easier recruiting players to a decent program.

 

[paultzman]

PSA Trore is not a wing forward 

correct

 

[Amaseinyourface]

this is no big...he's a tweener forward like Champs who also had no range in high school.  Traore maybe a tad more PF-like but he's not a post-guy in any way.  That's not a comparison to champs and how good Champs has become as a disclaimer. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nateblueis4real/status/1293348439401652225

That’s a rec center pickup game.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

NM

 

[MCNPA]

this is no big...he's a tweener forward like Champs who also had no range in high school.  Traore maybe a tad more PF-like but he's not a post-guy in any way.  That's not a comparison to champs and how good Champs has become as a disclaimer. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nateblueis4real/status/1293348439401652225

That’s a rec center pickup game.

Yeah but he's still way too small to be a post guy in the big East, that's my point.  If posh was playing in a pickup game, I could tell you he isn't a post player as well.  This is clearly not a guy that's going to be posting up on Wahab or Sanogo.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

this is no big...he's a tweener forward like Champs who also had no range in high school.  Traore maybe a tad more PF-like but he's not a post-guy in any way.  That's not a comparison to champs and how good Champs has become as a disclaimer. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nateblueis4real/status/1293348439401652225

That’s a rec center pickup game.

Yeah but he's still way too small to be a post guy in the big East, that's my point.  If posh was playing in a pickup game, I could tell you he isn't a post player as well.  This is clearly not a guy that's going to be posting up on Wahab or Sanogo.

Point being, put Traore on the court next to any one of our forwards this year (Champ, Earlington, Moore) and he would be the 5. Then think about how rare it will be to see none of them of the court. He’s the same size as Roberts.

In our offense we have bigs like the 3 I mentioned who step out and are part of the perimeter rotation. They face up, they shoot, they pick and pop, and they look to attack at times. Then there are bigs like Roberts and Toro who only do one thing on the perimeter, pass to the next guy and screen. Traore figures to be more in this mold.

 

[MCNPA]

this is no big...he's a tweener forward like Champs who also had no range in high school.  Traore maybe a tad more PF-like but he's not a post-guy in any way.  That's not a comparison to champs and how good Champs has become as a disclaimer. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nateblueis4real/status/1293348439401652225

That’s a rec center pickup game.

Yeah but he's still way too small to be a post guy in the big East, that's my point.  If posh was playing in a pickup game, I could tell you he isn't a post player as well.  This is clearly not a guy that's going to be posting up on Wahab or Sanogo.

Point being, put Traore on the court next to any one of our forwards this year (Champ, Earlington, Moore) and he would be the 5. Then think about how rare it will be to see none of them of the court. He’s the same size as Roberts.

In our offense we have bigs like the 3 I mentioned who step out and are part of the perimeter rotation. They face up, they shoot, they pick and pop, and they look to attack at times. Then there are bigs like Roberts and Toro who only do one thing on the perimeter, pass to the next guy and screen. Traore figures to be more in this mold.

Then color me disappointed because we don't really need 6'7" 200lb 5-men without skills further than 5-feet out.  That said, JPM loves him and apparently staff does too, but it needs we need another 5 with actual size. 

 

[L J S A]

Etienne was in that pickup game. Did Traore match up against him, and if so, how did he do?

 

[Amaseinyourface]

this is no big...he's a tweener forward like Champs who also had no range in high school.  Traore maybe a tad more PF-like but he's not a post-guy in any way.  That's not a comparison to champs and how good Champs has become as a disclaimer. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nateblueis4real/status/1293348439401652225

That’s a rec center pickup game.

Yeah but he's still way too small to be a post guy in the big East, that's my point.  If posh was playing in a pickup game, I could tell you he isn't a post player as well.  This is clearly not a guy that's going to be posting up on Wahab or Sanogo.

Point being, put Traore on the court next to any one of our forwards this year (Champ, Earlington, Moore) and he would be the 5. Then think about how rare it will be to see none of them of the court. He’s the same size as Roberts.

In our offense we have bigs like the 3 I mentioned who step out and are part of the perimeter rotation. They face up, they shoot, they pick and pop, and they look to attack at times. Then there are bigs like Roberts and Toro who only do one thing on the perimeter, pass to the next guy and screen. Traore figures to be more in this mold.

Then color me disappointed because we don't really need 6'7" 200lb 5-men without skills further than 5-feet out.  That said, JPM loves him and apparently staff does too, but it needs we need another 5 with actual size. 

There’s quite a bit of range between having no skills further than 5 ft out and being combo forward. I’m not trying to diminish him. You don’t need to be a perimeter guy to be skilled. And you can be 6’7 interior player and be really successful. Just need to be the right one. My guess from the little I’ve seen is Stanley has the bigger impact out the gate but I like Traore down the road.

 

[Mean Gene]

Traore looks like a little bigger stronger version of Champagnie to me. 

 

[Ray Morgan]

The team's success next season willl rely on keeping the present roster intact, and further improvement with the current group. I do not see a lot of minutes for any of the 2021 recruits.