RIP Tom Seaver
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jerseyshorejohnny
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In August 1967 my father took me and my brother to the Garden City Bowling Alley to see Ron Swoboda, Jerry Grote and Tom Seaver bowl at an exhibition.
I don't recall if they all brought their wives but I do remember that Nancy Seaver was there
I still have their autographs
I think Seaver won 16 games for a terrible Met team that season.
I don't recall if they all brought their wives but I do remember that Nancy Seaver was there
I still have their autographs
I think Seaver won 16 games for a terrible Met team that season.
[quote="bamafan" post=397498]The FRANCHISE! Probably most responsible for turning the Mets from a laughing stock into champions.[/quote]
Just heard this. As a baseball fan, this hurts. While a Yankee fan, I would catch Mets game when the Yankees weren’t on TV and my uncle use to always get Met tickets and some5imes me and my father would go. Seaver was just a great pitcher. Even I was hurt when they let him go, both times. Always hoped he would wind up in the Bronx.
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Just heard this. As a baseball fan, this hurts. While a Yankee fan, I would catch Mets game when the Yankees weren’t on TV and my uncle use to always get Met tickets and some5imes me and my father would go. Seaver was just a great pitcher. Even I was hurt when they let him go, both times. Always hoped he would wind up in the Bronx.
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MarkRedman
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Hard to admit but I cried the day the Mets let Tom Terrific go
Some guys should never have worn another team's jersey
That how I felt about Seaver - he was Mr. Met
RIP, Tom and thanks for so many wonderful memories!!
Some guys should never have worn another team's jersey
That how I felt about Seaver - he was Mr. Met
RIP, Tom and thanks for so many wonderful memories!!
[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=397497]In August 1967 my father took me and my brother to the Garden City Bowling Alley to see Ron Swoboda, Jerry Grote and Tom Seaver bowl at an exhibition.
I don't recall if they all brought their wives but I do remember that Nancy Seaver was there
I still have their autographs
I think Seaver won 16 games for a terrible Met team that season.[/quote]
Favorite player of all time...Sad news
I don't recall if they all brought their wives but I do remember that Nancy Seaver was there
I still have their autographs
I think Seaver won 16 games for a terrible Met team that season.[/quote]
Favorite player of all time...Sad news
beast of the east
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[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=397497]In August 1967 my father took me and my brother to the Garden City Bowling Alley to see Ron Swoboda, Jerry Grote and Tom Seaver bowl at an exhibition.
I don't recall if they all brought their wives but I do remember that Nancy Seaver was there
I still have their autographs
I think Seaver won 16 games for a terrible Met team that season.[/quote]
As a boy I hung on to each of those games. 16-12, 16-13, 25-7. Could recite them by heart all these years later. He was Mets fans version of Mantle. The word boyish most commonly used to describe him. Just 22 that season, he had the poise of a veteran right out of the gate.
A big chunk of my own boyhood died tonight.
Yes, he was aloof, and he never was capable of returning the love Mets fans wanted to give him. I have this image in my mind of an empty pedestal - we wanted to love him and be loved back but he never embraced that.
Still and all, he was near perfection on the mound and almost single handedly brought the Mets to respectability.
Like him or not. The Citifield rotunda should be a shrine to Seaver and not a Brooklyn Dodger.
He was our boy of summer.
I don't recall if they all brought their wives but I do remember that Nancy Seaver was there
I still have their autographs
I think Seaver won 16 games for a terrible Met team that season.[/quote]
As a boy I hung on to each of those games. 16-12, 16-13, 25-7. Could recite them by heart all these years later. He was Mets fans version of Mantle. The word boyish most commonly used to describe him. Just 22 that season, he had the poise of a veteran right out of the gate.
A big chunk of my own boyhood died tonight.
Yes, he was aloof, and he never was capable of returning the love Mets fans wanted to give him. I have this image in my mind of an empty pedestal - we wanted to love him and be loved back but he never embraced that.
Still and all, he was near perfection on the mound and almost single handedly brought the Mets to respectability.
Like him or not. The Citifield rotunda should be a shrine to Seaver and not a Brooklyn Dodger.
He was our boy of summer.
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beast of the east
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No matter who the opposition, Seaver on the mound made Mets the favorite. Big Red Machine. No problem. Mays-McCovey-Marichal? We still had Tom-Tom going. Seaver-Palmer or McNally or Cuellar? Even with Koosman winning 3 games, even with Robby,Brooks And boog it was the Boy Wonder who gave Mets a chance.
The Franchise for certain.
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Mets should wear a patch of dirt on their right knee for the rest of the season. We all know why.
The Franchise for certain.
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Mets should wear a patch of dirt on their right knee for the rest of the season. We all know why.
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Mike Vaccaro on Seaver's passing.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/mets-legend-tom-seaver-was-truest-definition-of-a-hero/
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/mets-legend-tom-seaver-was-truest-definition-of-a-hero/
beast of the east
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When Seaver bought the winery, he worked the fields himself. Theorized that somehow caught an infection in his hands contributing to dementia.
He sought excellence there too and did not want his name associated with his wine. He wanted the product to stand on it's own quality and not on Seaver's fame. His kids insisted he capitalize on his name and he resisted but in the end relented to an extent, hence GTS winery.
I know what my next gift to my older brother who let me tag along to Shea without ever complaining the way older brothers should.
He sought excellence there too and did not want his name associated with his wine. He wanted the product to stand on it's own quality and not on Seaver's fame. His kids insisted he capitalize on his name and he resisted but in the end relented to an extent, hence GTS winery.
I know what my next gift to my older brother who let me tag along to Shea without ever complaining the way older brothers should.
[quote="bobo" post=397510]Mike Vaccaro on Seaver's passing.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/mets-legend-tom-seaver-was-truest-definition-of-a-hero/[/quote]
With all due respect to Seaver, that's the best that Vaccaro could come up with to support his "hero" worship of Seaver? As I was just saying to Beast, IMO Vaccaro throws around the word "hero" way too loosely here. "Idol", maybe. Other then a few inconsequential words by Seaver to Art Shamsky and Vaccaro about the fans, what exactly did Seaver do you warrant the "hero" label? Roberto Clemente was a hero. Tom Seaver was a great baseball player. Big difference.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/mets-legend-tom-seaver-was-truest-definition-of-a-hero/[/quote]
With all due respect to Seaver, that's the best that Vaccaro could come up with to support his "hero" worship of Seaver? As I was just saying to Beast, IMO Vaccaro throws around the word "hero" way too loosely here. "Idol", maybe. Other then a few inconsequential words by Seaver to Art Shamsky and Vaccaro about the fans, what exactly did Seaver do you warrant the "hero" label? Roberto Clemente was a hero. Tom Seaver was a great baseball player. Big difference.
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My boyhood idol. The day he was traded from the Mets is the day I became a Yankee fan (and have been ever since). RIP Tom Terrific.
[quote="MarkRedman" post=397503]Hard to admit but I cried the day the Mets let Tom Terrific go
Some guys should never have worn another team's jersey
That how I felt about Seaver - he was Mr. Met
RIP, Tom and thanks for so many wonderful memories!![/quote]
[quote="MarkRedman" post=397503]Hard to admit but I cried the day the Mets let Tom Terrific go
Some guys should never have worn another team's jersey
That how I felt about Seaver - he was Mr. Met
RIP, Tom and thanks for so many wonderful memories!![/quote]
beast of the east
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[quote="redmanwest" post=397519]My boyhood idol. The day he was traded from the Mets is the day I became a Yankee fan (and have been ever since). RIP Tom Terrific.
[quote="MarkRedman" post=397503]Hard to admit but I cried the day the Mets let Tom Terrific go
Some guys should never have worn another team's jersey
That how I felt about Seaver - he was Mr. Met
RIP, Tom and thanks for so many wonderful memories!![/quote][/quote]
If you guys recall it wasn't only M. Donald Grant who drove Seaver out of town. Grant was not a baseball guy. He was a long standing friend of Joan Payson, and both were on the board of directors of the NY Giants. After Payson died, her daughter was less involved and gave Grant much more control for team operations. When the Mets were in the doldrums in 1973, Grant took the unusual move as an executive and not a manager or even GM of speaking directly to the team. His harsh criticism designed as an inspiration speech annoyed Mets players, which led to Tug McGraw, sarcatically shouting out in the meeting, "Ya Gotta Believe, Mr. Grant. Ya Gotta Believe." It became the rallying cry for the unlikely pennant run that followed, and became a slogan for the Mets thereafter.
Long time New York Daily news sportswriter Dick Young took a particular dislike to both Seaver and more importantly, to Nancy Seaver. In his daily column Young relentlessly attacked both Seaver and his wife. Young, a friend of Grant's was basically doing Grant a service by publicly discrediting the Seavers as Tom was involved in contract extension talks. Seaver, angered by the personal attacks on himself by Young, but was livid over the attacks on his wife, who he felt should be off limits. Young was basically the catalyst for Seaver asking to be traded, which the skinflint Grant was more than willing to accomodate.
Dick Young was a dirtbag, who thought an awful lot of himself, certainly greater than he should have. In those days, beat reporters would become close to team managers and execs, often drinking in the same hotel bars, and in effect became agents of the teams. Young was doing Grant's bidings. Grant felt that Seaver was paid more than enough already, and so Young wrote about Nancy Seaver's extravagant lifestyle living in Greenwich CT.
Grant thought he got a treasure trove of Reds players for Seaver: SP Pat Zachary, who was good at best. Steve Henderson, a decent hitter with little power, Doug Flynn, a good field modest hitting second baseman, and Dan Norman, who never quite made it. This is all from memory, so there could have been one or two others.
In general, it took arguably the greatest RHP of his generation, and traded him for a handful of mediocre players. Perhaps he thought Seaver, at 33, was on the down side of his career, but in general put the Mets into a tailspin that took a complete rebuild to correct, leading to the 84-88 great teams.
Really aggravating to rethink of that decision. .
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/27/sports/baseball/mets-1963-68-seasons.html[/URL]
[quote="MarkRedman" post=397503]Hard to admit but I cried the day the Mets let Tom Terrific go
Some guys should never have worn another team's jersey
That how I felt about Seaver - he was Mr. Met
RIP, Tom and thanks for so many wonderful memories!![/quote][/quote]
If you guys recall it wasn't only M. Donald Grant who drove Seaver out of town. Grant was not a baseball guy. He was a long standing friend of Joan Payson, and both were on the board of directors of the NY Giants. After Payson died, her daughter was less involved and gave Grant much more control for team operations. When the Mets were in the doldrums in 1973, Grant took the unusual move as an executive and not a manager or even GM of speaking directly to the team. His harsh criticism designed as an inspiration speech annoyed Mets players, which led to Tug McGraw, sarcatically shouting out in the meeting, "Ya Gotta Believe, Mr. Grant. Ya Gotta Believe." It became the rallying cry for the unlikely pennant run that followed, and became a slogan for the Mets thereafter.
Long time New York Daily news sportswriter Dick Young took a particular dislike to both Seaver and more importantly, to Nancy Seaver. In his daily column Young relentlessly attacked both Seaver and his wife. Young, a friend of Grant's was basically doing Grant a service by publicly discrediting the Seavers as Tom was involved in contract extension talks. Seaver, angered by the personal attacks on himself by Young, but was livid over the attacks on his wife, who he felt should be off limits. Young was basically the catalyst for Seaver asking to be traded, which the skinflint Grant was more than willing to accomodate.
Dick Young was a dirtbag, who thought an awful lot of himself, certainly greater than he should have. In those days, beat reporters would become close to team managers and execs, often drinking in the same hotel bars, and in effect became agents of the teams. Young was doing Grant's bidings. Grant felt that Seaver was paid more than enough already, and so Young wrote about Nancy Seaver's extravagant lifestyle living in Greenwich CT.
Grant thought he got a treasure trove of Reds players for Seaver: SP Pat Zachary, who was good at best. Steve Henderson, a decent hitter with little power, Doug Flynn, a good field modest hitting second baseman, and Dan Norman, who never quite made it. This is all from memory, so there could have been one or two others.
In general, it took arguably the greatest RHP of his generation, and traded him for a handful of mediocre players. Perhaps he thought Seaver, at 33, was on the down side of his career, but in general put the Mets into a tailspin that took a complete rebuild to correct, leading to the 84-88 great teams.
Really aggravating to rethink of that decision. .
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/27/sports/baseball/mets-1963-68-seasons.html[/URL]
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Spocky Ramone
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=397509]Mets should wear a patch of dirt on their left knee for the rest of the season. We all know why.[/quote]
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