Rick Pitino - Head Coach at St John’s University!!!

paultzman said:
In retrospect, I don’t have fond memories of Repole pushing Bobby Hurley for SJU gig. Hurley used us as leverage with ASU as I recall.
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Part of what makes Repole so successful is. Even when his judgement is wrong (like wanting Bobby Hurley to coach here) the stars align and the other party screws up and cancels any harm before it happens.
 
kranmars said:
I am being a bit tongue in cheek. We would all love to have him, but he makes about $6 mm a year coaching in the NBA.

For Donovan to even sniff this job, SJU would have to play every Catholic guilt card and how coaching here would give him the keys to heaven and allow him to bypass St. Peter.
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And point out how it's important to be near your parents in their Golden Years, assuming they are still around and on the island. Or maybe that is a Catholic guilt card.
 
logen said:
We just disagree.
Personally, and no disrespect to you and your opinion, I don’t care how Pitino sounded; Arkansas was very beatable and I think the way the game played out proves it. I will always think what I posted right after the game.
A couple of questions to ponder.
First, what did the way last years team played against all that “size and length” have to do with the way this years team would, two completely different teams, not just in personnel but in the makeup of the teams.
Second, if the Arkansas “size and length” was such a difference in the game how did we snag 28 offensive rebounds and out-rebound Arkansas? Certainly some of that was the product of our poor shooting but we were far from dominated on the boards. And if that was the key factor, why did Prey only play 13 minutes and Iwuchuka pretty much not at all?
The fact is we shot amazingly poorly and had neither of our go to players on the court when it counted. Going virtually scoreless for the last 5 minutes speaks for itself. And yes I know Eijofor had a completely meaningless dunk with 20 seconds left.
As I stated before, IMO, Arkansas was imminently beatable, we just played, coached and especially shot poorly.
We just disagree.
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A bad matchup does not mean you can’t win or shouldn’t win. I thought this might be a bad matchup for us and felt we still would win. We could have, should have but didn’t for many reasons.

Pitino did not make an excuse. He has stated in the past and he has tended to try to recruit, lean, long and athletic players.
 
dk423 said:
Arkansas is way overrated by this board and Rick. We should’ve won, and would beat them 7 out of 10 times we play them
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Overrated compared to what? How they were ranked to begin last year? They were clearly better than the seeding. Talent-wise, that group was above our group. They took Texas Tech to the brink in the next round and had a great chance at a Sweet 16 before collapsing, and Tech took Florida to the brink.

I think we would have beaten them a bunch of other times had we played again, and of course there are so many scenarios in which we could have won that game (Richmond not getting into foul trouble, RJ not having the worst game of the season, if not his life, others stepping up to hit an outside shot or two). That said, it wasn't akin to Pitino losing to Morehead St in the first round when he was at Louisville.

I think RP's point was not to make excuses for the ARK loss or say they were better. His point is that in the Big East, you face a certain style of team, and the SEC teams (certainly last year) had longer, bigger and more athletic groups than what the Big East typically presents (which is likely to be the same as this year). Since the SEC has that type of players/style, and since it was the best league last year (and will probably be this year), he wanted to schedule a bunch of SEC teams in the OOC to help this season down the road. I really think that's all he meant.
 
kranmars said:
Part of what makes Repole so successful is. Even when his judgement is wrong (like wanting Bobby Hurley to coach here) the stars align and the other party screws up and cancels any harm before it happens.
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Winners create their own luck and it shines down on them too
 
SJU85 said:
A bad matchup does not mean you can’t win or shouldn’t win. I thought this might be a bad matchup for us and felt we still would win. We could have, should have but didn’t for many reasons.

Pitino did not make an excuse. He has stated in the past and he has tended to try to recruit, lean, long and athletic players.
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We also just disagree.
Who he recruits has nothing to do with his penchant for deflecting when he loses or his decisions driven by his massive ego. I recognize Pitino’s greatness as a coach, he has certainly earned every bit of that but I don’t find him infallible. And Arkansas was not remotely a bad matchup in my mind. They were a good team that could have only beaten SJU if they played and coached poorly and they did both. My last word on the subject.
 
Jack Williams said:
Are you taking me saying Arkansas was a bad matchup as me saying that Arkansas wasn't beatable? That's not the argument I nor Rick was making. But they were still a tough matchup for our team last year.

I agree they were beatable. We were the 2 seed to their 10 seed... they SHOULD have been "beatable". A team can still be a bad matchup whilst being beatable.

Just because we rebounded fine, doesn't mean their size and athleticism didn't bother us. We struggled to score not just because of shooting woes, we were defended well around the rim and our dribble penetration was limited. This impacted RJ most of all, he was unable to get things going whatsoever, they really bothered him.

As for Prey/Vince, like I was saying, Ark's length bothered us mostly when it came to generating offense. Vince was not going to do anything about that. Prey, not really known for his shot creation either. Though he did get in and make a couple nice plays.

I don't know why two things can't be true at once? Yea Arkansas could have been had, we didn't play well enough. We had foul trouble woes. It's all true. But I think it is also true that Arkansas was a tough matchup for our roster's skillset to go up against. When I look at the other 7 and 10 seeds in the entire bracket last year, I maintain we got the worst pairing we could have possibly gotten.
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Well, since I said twice we just disagree, maybe the third time is the charm. We just disagree, I don’t think Arkansas was remotely a bad matchup, we got the shots we got all year and shot horribly all game; they weren’t can’t run your offense, seriously contested, defense in your face, shot clock running down shots, they were generally decent to good shots we missed. We out-rebounded them, we were right in the game after having played without a doubt our worst game of the year. So, while I certainly respect your opinion, I just don’t buy that Arkansas was a bad matchup; you do, so be it.
To me, much more than bad matchups, facing a situation we thrived in all year, close game, crunch time, Pitino decides to bench Luis with Richmond already gone. Why with 5 minutes left baffles me to this day because I guarantee you we couldn’t have done much worse than not scoring with the BE POY left in the game. At that time of the year, you dance with who brung you, simple as that, coaching 101. And the results clearly bear that out.
 
logen said:
We also just disagree.
Who he recruits has nothing to do with his penchant for deflecting when he loses or his decisions driven by his massive ego. I recognize Pitino’s greatness as a coach, he has certainly earned every bit of that but I don’t find him infallible. And Arkansas was not remotely a bad matchup in my mind. They were a good team that could have only beaten SJU if they played and coached poorly and they did both. My last word on the subject.
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No one is infallible.
 
hardytime said:
Overrated compared to what? How they were ranked to begin last year? They were clearly better than the seeding. Talent-wise, that group was above our group. They took Texas Tech to the brink in the next round and had a great chance at a Sweet 16 before collapsing, and Tech took Florida to the brink.

I think we would have beaten them a bunch of other times had we played again, and of course there are so many scenarios in which we could have won that game (Richmond not getting into foul trouble, RJ not having the worst game of the season, if not his life, others stepping up to hit an outside shot or two). That said, it wasn't akin to Pitino losing to Morehead St in the first round when he was at Louisville.

I think RP's point was not to make excuses for the ARK loss or say they were better. His point is that in the Big East, you face a certain style of team, and the SEC teams (certainly last year) had longer, bigger and more athletic groups than what the Big East typically presents (which is likely to be the same as this year). Since the SEC has that type of players/style, and since it was the best league last year (and will probably be this year), he wanted to schedule a bunch of SEC teams in the OOC to help this season down the road. I really think that's all he meant.
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+100
 
logen said:
Well, since I said twice we just disagree, maybe the third time is the charm. We just disagree, I don’t think Arkansas was remotely a bad matchup, we got the shots we got all year and shot horribly all game; they weren’t can’t run your offense, seriously contested, defense in your face, shot clock running down shots, they were generally decent to good shots we missed. We out-rebounded them, we were right in the game after having played without a doubt our worst game of the year. So, while I certainly respect your opinion, I just don’t buy that Arkansas was a bad matchup; you do, so be it.
To me, much more than bad matchups, facing a situation we thrived in all year, close game, crunch time, Pitino decides to bench Luis with Richmond already gone. Why with 5 minutes left baffles me to this day because I guarantee you we couldn’t have done much worse than not scoring with the BE POY left in the game. At that time of the year, you dance with who brung you, simple as that, coaching 101. And the results clearly bear that out.
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Logen, respectfully sometimes it's not the worst thing in the world to consider other people's well reasoned positions as something more than a target to rebut.
I was in Providence for that game and at the Friday night get together with lots of great Johnnie fans and vividly recall most (including myself) believing we would have been much better off playing the higher seeded Kansas than Arkansas. Anyway water way under the bridge thankfully.
 
The loss to Arkansas was absolutely because the team pooped the bed offensively. Maybe one of the worst, if not worst, game of the year. BUT you can argue the athleticism of Arkansas was the main factor.

Either way, Kadary playing a full game means a win.
 
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