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[quote="ron s m" post=306408][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=306397][quote="fordham96" post=306341][quote="Class of 72" post=306337][quote="Marillac" post=306322]I am extremely happy with the recruiting. Our recruiting has gotten better each season...so much so that earlier recruits have left to find more playing time.
I love the transfer u designation. Even losing Ponds and Clark after the season, next year will mark the first of hopefully many seasons we have continuity. That's how good programs keep it rolling.[/quote]
Not sure where this pom pom moment is coming from but gushing over getting two 4 star players via the transfer route who have had spotty longevity records at prior schools does not spell continuity but rather our modus operandi when we fail to land or maintain our own 4 star recuits.
Good for you if you are extremely happy with our recruiting but the transfer U designation has a double edged sword attached to that reputation. It may put doubts in the minds of high school recruits who see the staff favoring transfer players rather than giving talented 4 star players key roles from day one. Mullin's recent comments seem to back that philosophy. Were you extremely happy with this past season's recruiting of prep players? One is a 4 star and the other two are 3 star. Other than garbage time, has any shown you anything to give you good vibes for the approaching Big East games? Do you see a Kris Monroe, Jimmy Nichols, A.J. Reeves or David Duke among our freshmen? Those are the Providence freshmen that played key roles in defeating B.C. tonight.
We fortunately have a talented FIVE in year FOUR but with a huge flaw on the front line. That's not continuity. When 5TH year Marvin Clark shows he has developed a turn around jumper around the key or does more than put up 3 point shots we may have a chance with the more talented teams coming up.
Not having signed one of our original top 100 targets makes you happy with our recruiting?
North points to a disturbing fact and that is that this is Matt's team and not Mullin's. None of the three amigos from California have credit for a top recruit to this date.
I think we will loose 4 to 5 players by April. Just bringing in 4 star transfers doesn't guarantee anything at St. John's as North indirectly points out since many have left the program and our record has been in the. 500 range with all the great recruiting you celebrate.
Just presenting the minority point of view here.
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Minority point of view? Not sure it is.
BTW-I remember being told repeatedly after the Williams, Roberts and Earlington signings that this was evidence the staff was recruiting well because these were solid back up plans to missing on Muhammad, Naz Reid, Moses Brown etc...How is that working out?
One last thing, y'all do realize that this "strategy" has yielded a 3 year record of 38-60/12-42. Last year alone this great recruiting produced a 4-14 league record with 3 losses combined to DePaul and Georgetown...in other words exactly where is the immense success that should be applauded? The 7-0 start is nice, but it is against a schedule softer than Charmin with a rotation of barely 7 guys even against the bad teams. And this is the fruit of all that "great recruiting." And if the counter argument to this is "he needed time to build a roster" then why can't the counter to that be maybe "he chose the wrong strategy and maybe that is why it is taking him so long." No, not reasonable?
Honest question for some of you, with those same "facts" do you honestly think you would be defending any other SJU coach as hard as you do if their name was NOT "Chris Mullin?"
Look if some on this board want to always keep things positive especially since the team is 7-0, then why do those same people insist on starting threads on something that has CLEARLY been a weakness of this program and in essence "poke the bear."[/quote]
No but no other person in the world would have been hired without any head coaching experience. That makes this situation different because St. Johns didnt think they were hiring a good coach the day they hired CM. They hired him because they thought he could become a good coach. That is why in my view mullin deserves more of a leash, not a life time pass, but time. And quite frankly, though there have been plenty of times where the team looked like dogshit, and mullin himself looked clueless, he has built a very strong roster and they are currently 7-0. Maybe just maybe he is getting better at coaching.[/quote]
I believe they hired him because they thought recruits would flock here to play for a legend and Hall of Famer. I presume they thought he would hire someone who actually knew how to coach and had coaching experience and not his friend. Just my two cents![/quote]
Oh if I ever got hired to coach I would def hire a couple friends. Who wants to hang out with guys you dislike from Oct to March? Jarvis hired his son, Lavin hired Keady who I am not even sure knew where he was anymore.
I love the transfer u designation. Even losing Ponds and Clark after the season, next year will mark the first of hopefully many seasons we have continuity. That's how good programs keep it rolling.[/quote]
Not sure where this pom pom moment is coming from but gushing over getting two 4 star players via the transfer route who have had spotty longevity records at prior schools does not spell continuity but rather our modus operandi when we fail to land or maintain our own 4 star recuits.
Good for you if you are extremely happy with our recruiting but the transfer U designation has a double edged sword attached to that reputation. It may put doubts in the minds of high school recruits who see the staff favoring transfer players rather than giving talented 4 star players key roles from day one. Mullin's recent comments seem to back that philosophy. Were you extremely happy with this past season's recruiting of prep players? One is a 4 star and the other two are 3 star. Other than garbage time, has any shown you anything to give you good vibes for the approaching Big East games? Do you see a Kris Monroe, Jimmy Nichols, A.J. Reeves or David Duke among our freshmen? Those are the Providence freshmen that played key roles in defeating B.C. tonight.
We fortunately have a talented FIVE in year FOUR but with a huge flaw on the front line. That's not continuity. When 5TH year Marvin Clark shows he has developed a turn around jumper around the key or does more than put up 3 point shots we may have a chance with the more talented teams coming up.
Not having signed one of our original top 100 targets makes you happy with our recruiting?
North points to a disturbing fact and that is that this is Matt's team and not Mullin's. None of the three amigos from California have credit for a top recruit to this date.
I think we will loose 4 to 5 players by April. Just bringing in 4 star transfers doesn't guarantee anything at St. John's as North indirectly points out since many have left the program and our record has been in the. 500 range with all the great recruiting you celebrate.
Just presenting the minority point of view here.
[/quote]Minority point of view? Not sure it is.
BTW-I remember being told repeatedly after the Williams, Roberts and Earlington signings that this was evidence the staff was recruiting well because these were solid back up plans to missing on Muhammad, Naz Reid, Moses Brown etc...How is that working out?
One last thing, y'all do realize that this "strategy" has yielded a 3 year record of 38-60/12-42. Last year alone this great recruiting produced a 4-14 league record with 3 losses combined to DePaul and Georgetown...in other words exactly where is the immense success that should be applauded? The 7-0 start is nice, but it is against a schedule softer than Charmin with a rotation of barely 7 guys even against the bad teams. And this is the fruit of all that "great recruiting." And if the counter argument to this is "he needed time to build a roster" then why can't the counter to that be maybe "he chose the wrong strategy and maybe that is why it is taking him so long." No, not reasonable?
Honest question for some of you, with those same "facts" do you honestly think you would be defending any other SJU coach as hard as you do if their name was NOT "Chris Mullin?"
Look if some on this board want to always keep things positive especially since the team is 7-0, then why do those same people insist on starting threads on something that has CLEARLY been a weakness of this program and in essence "poke the bear."[/quote]
No but no other person in the world would have been hired without any head coaching experience. That makes this situation different because St. Johns didnt think they were hiring a good coach the day they hired CM. They hired him because they thought he could become a good coach. That is why in my view mullin deserves more of a leash, not a life time pass, but time. And quite frankly, though there have been plenty of times where the team looked like dogshit, and mullin himself looked clueless, he has built a very strong roster and they are currently 7-0. Maybe just maybe he is getting better at coaching.[/quote]
I believe they hired him because they thought recruits would flock here to play for a legend and Hall of Famer. I presume they thought he would hire someone who actually knew how to coach and had coaching experience and not his friend. Just my two cents![/quote]
Oh if I ever got hired to coach I would def hire a couple friends. Who wants to hang out with guys you dislike from Oct to March? Jarvis hired his son, Lavin hired Keady who I am not even sure knew where he was anymore.
