Reasonable Expectations to Close Season

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Marillac

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We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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St. John's home games often have the crowd spirit that you saw in DePaul today. The crowd was a decent size against Villanova but I thought the spirit was lousy. It was way down from the Syracuse game. How many people do you expect at the DePaul game in March? I don't think the team has a great home court advantage.
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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Honestly though, I watched every game in the 2010 season, and have watched every game this year, and think that the two teams shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.

They can't be compared.

You have to stop bringing up our SOS, it means nothing right now, we just lost to Depaul, in a game where we needed to grab a big win, we lost to Depaul.

8-1 at home? We will get swept by Creighton, so there goes that, not to mention we got destroyed by Georgetown, and dismantled by Xavier in the second half.
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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General Custer: "I think Sitting Bull is getting tired men" !
 
How do we know Marillac is not Steve Lavin?
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Because I think marillac genuinely believes this team can make the tournament without winning the big east tourney.

I don't even think Lavin believes that at this point
 
How do we know Marillac is not Steve Lavin?
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It's good to have a little positivity around here for a change. We have all done enough bashing for awhile. It's like a cat playing with a disabled mouse. I think our guys give maximum effort. They shouldn't have to live up to our expectations, which apparently were quite unreasonable. I say we go 9-0, all blowouts.
 
How do we know Marillac is not Steve Lavin?
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He cares way more than Lavin does. Lavin is looking for a restaurant in SoHo that is still open when the plane lands. There is no way he is counting wins.
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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Honestly though, I watched every game in the 2010 season, and have watched every game this year, and think that the two teams shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.

They can't be compared.

You have to stop bringing up our SOS, it means nothing right now, we just lost to Depaul, in a game where we needed to grab a big win, we lost to Depaul.

8-1 at home? We will get swept by Creighton, so there goes that, not to mention we got destroyed by Georgetown, and dismantled by Xavier in the second half.
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Actually our SOS means everything. If it wasn't so high you could kiss the season goodbye at this point. I had the exact same posts in 2010-2011 when everyone was calling it a season and every told me the same nonsense, just like when I predicted Hardy's scoring average to the point and said he'd be regarded similarly to Hatten before he was done. http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4997.0

"19 wins will be the magical # with this team to get us on the bubble, 20 gets us in. We are in position to have a top 40 RPI with 20 wins. We play a VERY tough schedule and people have been taking notice. #1 Duke, @UCLA, @St. Mary's (and then 30 hours later in NY against Columbia), and fly back to Alaska a week later for three games. Then throw in an 18 game Big East schedule."
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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Honestly though, I watched every game in the 2010 season, and have watched every game this year, and think that the two teams shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.

They can't be compared.

You have to stop bringing up our SOS, it means nothing right now, we just lost to Depaul, in a game where we needed to grab a big win, we lost to Depaul.

8-1 at home? We will get swept by Creighton, so there goes that, not to mention we got destroyed by Georgetown, and dismantled by Xavier in the second half.
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Actually our SOS means everything. If it wasn't so high you could kiss the season goodbye at this point. I had the exact same posts in 2010-2011 when everyone was calling it a season and every told me the same nonsense, just like when I predicted Hardy's scoring average to the point and said he'd be regarded similarly to Hatten before he was done. http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4997.0

"19 wins will be the magical # with this team to get us on the bubble, 20 gets us in. We are in position to have a top 40 RPI with 20 wins. We play a VERY tough schedule and people have been taking notice. #1 Duke, @UCLA, @St. Mary's (and then 30 hours later in NY against Columbia), and fly back to Alaska a week later for three games. Then throw in an 18 game Big East schedule."
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1) does this team have a quality win yet? Because the 2010 team had already beaten the #13 and #15 teams by this point.

2) are there 3 top 10 games left on our schedule? Because that team beat 3 top 10 teams after starting out 11-8. That's not possible this year.

Stop comparing the two. The 2010 team was inconsistent but they had already shown they could beat some good teams. This team hasn't shown a thing yet unfortunately.
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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Honestly though, I watched every game in the 2010 season, and have watched every game this year, and think that the two teams shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.

They can't be compared.

You have to stop bringing up our SOS, it means nothing right now, we just lost to Depaul, in a game where we needed to grab a big win, we lost to Depaul.

8-1 at home? We will get swept by Creighton, so there goes that, not to mention we got destroyed by Georgetown, and dismantled by Xavier in the second half.
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Actually our SOS means everything. If it wasn't so high you could kiss the season goodbye at this point. I had the exact same posts in 2010-2011 when everyone was calling it a season and every told me the same nonsense, just like when I predicted Hardy's scoring average to the point and said he'd be regarded similarly to Hatten before he was done. http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4997.0

"19 wins will be the magical # with this team to get us on the bubble, 20 gets us in. We are in position to have a top 40 RPI with 20 wins. We play a VERY tough schedule and people have been taking notice. #1 Duke, @UCLA, @St. Mary's (and then 30 hours later in NY against Columbia), and fly back to Alaska a week later for three games. Then throw in an 18 game Big East schedule."
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1) does this team have a quality win yet? Because the 2010 team had already beaten the #13 and #15 teams by this point.

2) are there 3 top 10 games left on our schedule? Because that team beat 3 top 10 teams after starting out 11-8. That's not possible this year.

Stop comparing the two. The 2010 team was inconsistent but they had already shown they could beat some good teams. This team hasn't shown a thing yet unfortunately.
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True, but they had very bad losses. Four blowouts by 1/26 by an average of over 20 points, they lost a 21 point second half lead to Fordham(7-21) and St. Bonaventure (16-15). Everyone thought they were done by this point as well.
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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Honestly though, I watched every game in the 2010 season, and have watched every game this year, and think that the two teams shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.

They can't be compared.

You have to stop bringing up our SOS, it means nothing right now, we just lost to Depaul, in a game where we needed to grab a big win, we lost to Depaul.

8-1 at home? We will get swept by Creighton, so there goes that, not to mention we got destroyed by Georgetown, and dismantled by Xavier in the second half.
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Actually our SOS means everything. If it wasn't so high you could kiss the season goodbye at this point. I had the exact same posts in 2010-2011 when everyone was calling it a season and every told me the same nonsense, just like when I predicted Hardy's scoring average to the point and said he'd be regarded similarly to Hatten before he was done. http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4997.0

"19 wins will be the magical # with this team to get us on the bubble, 20 gets us in. We are in position to have a top 40 RPI with 20 wins. We play a VERY tough schedule and people have been taking notice. #1 Duke, @UCLA, @St. Mary's (and then 30 hours later in NY against Columbia), and fly back to Alaska a week later for three games. Then throw in an 18 game Big East schedule."
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Our team does not have 1 quality win on the season. And you expect them to beat Creighton, Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, and Xavier? I'm not saying to stop being an optimist, but it's time to wake up to reality.
 
The only reasonable expectation is that we sneak into the nit which won't totally embarrass the program and that looks like a huge stretch this morning.
 
I think marillac has been drinking too much Kentucky moonshine. I wish I had that optimism.
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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St. John's home games often have the crowd spirit that you saw in DePaul today. The crowd was a decent size against Villanova but I thought the spirit was lousy. It was way down from the Syracuse game. How many people do you expect at the DePaul game in March? I don't think the team has a great home court advantage.
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Andrew I don't know if you attend games, but the crowd at CA does gives us a home court advantage. To start this season the crowds have been larger than previous years and more spirited.

At the Garden there is the season ticket contingent (3500?) plus students (who fill about 70% of the student section), and maybe 2,000 tickets for single game attendees on average, more if the game is of interest (Syracuse, nova, Georgetown) The rest are visiting fans, and it negates home court advantage.

I'm not a defender of Lavin's repeated attempts to re-shuffle the lineup, but damn it, if anyone could play consistently well, they are in the lineup.

I agree with Marillac - the scheduling God's didn't help a struggling team by not giving us an easy home game among the first 4. I also think that its crazy to give up the conference season after just 4 games. We have 14 games to go, a full 71.4% of the season ahead of us. I'm not declaring they will turn it around and make the tournament, but to listen to some of you, this is a 5-13 team or worse. That just isn't going to happen. I expected 8-11 wins, which at best was a bubble, and I still think that's where we will end up.
 
We are all frustrated, but I don't think an 8-1 record at home to close the year is that out of the question--even if this team ends up being only 3/4s as good as we expected them to be. They didn't do this team any favors starting them out with three road games and the toughest home game of the season. We are tied for the 4th toughest SOS in the country before the game tonight. Only one loss (PSU @ 101) came to a team ranked lower than 100 in the RPI.

The 2010-2011 team was 11-8 after their fourth blowout loss of the season to Gtown on 1/26. They won the next seven games at home to close the year and they were an incredibly flawed team as well. 8-1 at home and steal 2-3 road games is reasonable IMO. If they can get on a good roll, the last seven games of the season are setup for them to rack up some wins and make a statement against Nova.
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St. John's home games often have the crowd spirit that you saw in DePaul today. The crowd was a decent size against Villanova but I thought the spirit was lousy. It was way down from the Syracuse game. How many people do you expect at the DePaul game in March? I don't think the team has a great home court advantage.
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Andrew I don't know if you attend games, but the crowd at CA does gives us a home court advantage. To start this season the crowds have been larger than previous years and more spirited.

At the Garden there is the season ticket contingent (3500?) plus students (who fill about 70% of the student section), and maybe 2,000 tickets for single game attendees on average, more if the game is of interest (Syracuse, nova, Georgetown) The rest are visiting fans, and it negates home court advantage.

I'm not a defender of Lavin's repeated attempts to re-shuffle the lineup, but damn it, if anyone could play consistently well, they are in the lineup.

I agree with Marillac - the scheduling God's didn't help a struggling team by not giving us an easy home game among the first 4. I also think that its crazy to give up the conference season after just 4 games. We have 14 games to go, a full 71.4% of the season ahead of us. I'm not declaring they will turn it around and make the tournament, but to listen to some of you, this is a 5-13 team or worse. That just isn't going to happen. I expected 8-11 wins, which at best was a bubble, and I still think that's where we will end up.
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What makes you so sure 5-13 won't happen? What have they shown to make you think differently. I am just curious
 
Beast, your 8-11 wins prognostication, repeated by you over 100 times seemingly, is inane in my opinion. With 18 games it is rather safe to come up with such a spread. I can see you saying 8 or 9 for example or 10 or 11, but your choice seems constructed to make you look smart. Man & up pick a number of wins and, btw, we will remember. Was your original choice constructed on possibility we lose first four games?
 
Beast, your 8-11 wins prognostication, repeated by you over 100 times seemingly, is inane in my opinion. With 18 games it is rather safe to come up with such a spread. I can see you saying 8 or 9 for example or 10 or 11, but your choice seems constructed to make you look smart. Man & up pick a number of wins and, btw, we will remember. Was your original choice constructed on possibility we lose first four games?
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Look, stop your nonsense. Most of you whiners had us as locks for the NCAA. I explained the reasons why I had us at 8-11 wins, and the spread was based on lack of performance on a seemingly talented roster, and lack of anecdotal evidence as a solid predictor of success. It hardly matter - at 8,9,or 10 wins, we don't make the tournament. At 11 we have a chance. So reasonably, I thought the odds were against us making the tournament. I didn't expect us to lose the first four games, but am also not shocked.
 
I agree with Marillac - the scheduling God's didn't help a struggling team by not giving us an easy home game among the first 4.
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Hey Beast.......... StJohns is the easy game on the schedule of other Big East teams.
 
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