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EVERYTIME Christian Jones touches the ball he puts it on the ground to dribble, even when he is right under the basket, thus leading to tons of turn overs and blocked shots. I teach my CYO team to "go right up" with the ball. Was he never taught this?
 
EVERYTIME Christian Jones touches the ball he puts it on the ground to dribble, even when he is right under the basket, thus leading to tons of turn overs and blocked shots. I teach my CYO team to "go right up" with the ball. Was he never taught this?
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He bypassed CYO. :)
 
You only look at the box score - which in basketball is a foolish thing to do..
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Since you asked, what I do actually is record the games and watch them in high definition, sometimes more than once, using slow motion, rewind and instant reply, all the while beguiled by the expert commentary of such basketball luminaries as Steve Lavin and Bill Walton and while I am doing that and afterwards consult various statistical metrics, including the box score, to see whether my first hand impressions comport with reality. And then after all that I assemble that information into a cohesive written presentation, much to the delight of my many readers and fans. As opposed to watching the game once, from one angle, from 50 feet away and believing that from that single eye witness viewing every detail of import has been revealed.

Question: if statistics are so misleading why is it that every sports program at every level from middle school to professional in every sport from field hockey to baseball keeps them and uses them to inform their approaches to the game. Why is it that certifiable sports geniuses like Bill Belichick and Mike Krwyzshewski employ dozens of informed professionals to watch game film and pore over statistics in an attempt to gain an advantage over their opponents. It seems to me that if you're right that its all a bunch of bushwa the industry could save billions of dollars by doing away with all those numbers and computers and analysis and so on and get you to sit in the stands and report back epiphanies such as Larry Washington is a starting point guard and D'Angelo Harrison is a thug and Durand Johnson is a chucker and Federico Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin and all they'd have to do is keep you in M & Ms and sodee pop.
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If you are watching this years games more then once, you deserve some kind of medal...
 
You only look at the box score - which in basketball is a foolish thing to do..
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Since you asked, what I do actually is record the games and watch them in high definition, sometimes more than once, using slow motion, rewind and instant reply, all the while beguiled by the expert commentary of such basketball luminaries as Steve Lavin and Bill Walton and while I am doing that and afterwards consult various statistical metrics, including the box score, to see whether my first hand impressions comport with reality. And then after all that I assemble that information into a cohesive written presentation, much to the delight of my many readers and fans. As opposed to watching the game once, from one angle, from 50 feet away and believing that from that single eye witness viewing every detail of import has been revealed.

Question: if statistics are so misleading why is it that every sports program at every level from middle school to professional in every sport from field hockey to baseball keeps them and uses them to inform their approaches to the game. Why is it that certifiable sports geniuses like Bill Belichick and Mike Krwyzshewski employ dozens of informed professionals to watch game film and pore over statistics in an attempt to gain an advantage over their opponents. It seems to me that if you're right that its all a bunch of bushwa the industry could save billions of dollars by doing away with all those numbers and computers and analysis and so on and get you to sit in the stands and report back epiphanies such as Larry Washington is a starting point guard and D'Angelo Harrison is a thug and Durand Johnson is a chucker and Federico Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin and all they'd have to do is keep you in M & Ms and sodee pop.
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Or report that you graded my homework. I was one of a group of about 150 students who ran in hordes to anyone else who taught pharmacology largely because the guy we ran from was boring and so lazy that he had his son grades exams. You may not know that he ran to the department and complained the the school allowed all his students to transfer to a first year teacher who was despised as a student by faculty for being a wise ass.

Stats in basketball are misleading. This is why coaches also chart where guys are taking shots from on the floor, and where they are making them. They factor in bad defense, not being able to remember plays, not boxing out, bad passes, dribbling too much, and any number of things stats don't reveal. Is it really basketball analysis to say, "Wait guys, so and so shot 6-10 from the field." when anyone who reads the boxscore can see that? Or to proclaim that a guy had 6 rebounds in 15 minutes so he must have played well?

It's useless to chat with you though, because you mostly come here to bloviate and drive people to your Big East Boards. I must admit, I read only one, which I didn't think I'd ever do. It was a sillly, time consuming to research, historical run through the program's most disheartening failures over the past 40 years, and then somehow trying to tie that to the false hope that beating Syracuse somehow signaled the turnaround of the program.

My new year's resolution is to ignore all that you write, and leave it to those who cannot read a boxscore and find your stuff illuminating. Maybe I'll just pine for the writings of Doc Butler, who actually appears to know a thing or two about basketball.
 
You only look at the box score - which in basketball is a foolish thing to do..
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Since you asked, what I do actually is record the games and watch them in high definition, sometimes more than once, using slow motion, rewind and instant reply, all the while beguiled by the expert commentary of such basketball luminaries as Steve Lavin and Bill Walton and while I am doing that and afterwards consult various statistical metrics, including the box score, to see whether my first hand impressions comport with reality. And then after all that I assemble that information into a cohesive written presentation, much to the delight of my many readers and fans. As opposed to watching the game once, from one angle, from 50 feet away and believing that from that single eye witness viewing every detail of import has been revealed.

Question: if statistics are so misleading why is it that every sports program at every level from middle school to professional in every sport from field hockey to baseball keeps them and uses them to inform their approaches to the game. Why is it that certifiable sports geniuses like Bill Belichick and Mike Krwyzshewski employ dozens of informed professionals to watch game film and pore over statistics in an attempt to gain an advantage over their opponents. It seems to me that if you're right that its all a bunch of bushwa the industry could save billions of dollars by doing away with all those numbers and computers and analysis and so on and get you to sit in the stands and report back epiphanies such as Larry Washington is a starting point guard and D'Angelo Harrison is a thug and Durand Johnson is a chucker and Federico Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin and all they'd have to do is keep you in M & Ms and sodee pop.
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Or report that you graded my homework. I was one of a group of about 150 students who ran in hordes to anyone else who taught pharmacology largely because the guy we ran from was boring and so lazy that he had his son grades exams. You may not know that he ran to the department and complained the the school allowed all his students to transfer to a first year teacher who was despised as a student by faculty for being a wise ass.
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Is this necessary?
 
Watched the game on DVR last night. We competed longer than I thought we would, providence eventually took over as expected.

Goal for this team should be like 4 Big East wins at this point. Seton Hall definitely plays down to competition, hopefully we can steal one from them, maybe beat DePaul, Marquette, who knows.

i just want to see improvement. Malik Ellison has shown improvement the last 2 games, I hope to see more from everyone. I also hope the players morale isn't hurt too much from the season, hopefully they can stay positive and stay together here as we take a lot of tough losses.
 
You only look at the box score - which in basketball is a foolish thing to do..
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Since you asked, what I do actually is record the games and watch them in high definition, sometimes more than once, using slow motion, rewind and instant reply, all the while beguiled by the expert commentary of such basketball luminaries as Steve Lavin and Bill Walton and while I am doing that and afterwards consult various statistical metrics, including the box score, to see whether my first hand impressions comport with reality. And then after all that I assemble that information into a cohesive written presentation, much to the delight of my many readers and fans. As opposed to watching the game once, from one angle, from 50 feet away and believing that from that single eye witness viewing every detail of import has been revealed.

Question: if statistics are so misleading why is it that every sports program at every level from middle school to professional in every sport from field hockey to baseball keeps them and uses them to inform their approaches to the game. Why is it that certifiable sports geniuses like Bill Belichick and Mike Krwyzshewski employ dozens of informed professionals to watch game film and pore over statistics in an attempt to gain an advantage over their opponents. It seems to me that if you're right that its all a bunch of bushwa the industry could save billions of dollars by doing away with all those numbers and computers and analysis and so on and get you to sit in the stands and report back epiphanies such as Larry Washington is a starting point guard and D'Angelo Harrison is a thug and Durand Johnson is a chucker and Federico Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin and all they'd have to do is keep you in M & Ms and sodee pop.
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Or report that you graded my homework. I was one of a group of about 150 students who ran in hordes to anyone else who taught pharmacology largely because the guy we ran from was boring and so lazy that he had his son grades exams. You may not know that he ran to the department and complained the the school allowed all his students to transfer to a first year teacher who was despised as a student by faculty for being a wise ass.
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Is this necessary?
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To shut up someone who thinks that every discourse is an opportunity to berate, yes.

Lavin was a university employee. His job performance is fair game, and he has been characterized as lazy.

Mr. Fun's dad, who I did not identify but could, was a university employee, and characterized as his son as too lazy to grade his own exams in a subject as critical as Pharmacology. As a former SJU employee, who salary was paid by tuition, he is also fair game subject to the same scathing commentary as Mr. Fun heaped on Lavin.
 
Is this necessary?
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That's kind of you but I really don't mind. Pater has been dead lo these many years and if slandering his reputation can be used to score cheap debating points in an obscure corner of the internet by a rhetorical feeb, well, I'm sure he'd be happy to be remembered at all. That is perhaps not as enduring a legacy as the Presidential Medal he received from Father Cahill for his long service to the SJ community in creating and administering what was at the time the foremost pharmacology program in the country - I remember what a comfort that was to mater when she was widowed at such a young age and with children still in high school - and will perhaps not be noted in his entry in Who's Who in the World, but really what is Who's Who in the World anyway but a sort of box score of life and those are just statistics.
 
You only look at the box score - which in basketball is a foolish thing to do..
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Since you asked, what I do actually is record the games and watch them in high definition, sometimes more than once, using slow motion, rewind and instant reply, all the while beguiled by the expert commentary of such basketball luminaries as Steve Lavin and Bill Walton and while I am doing that and afterwards consult various statistical metrics, including the box score, to see whether my first hand impressions comport with reality. And then after all that I assemble that information into a cohesive written presentation, much to the delight of my many readers and fans. As opposed to watching the game once, from one angle, from 50 feet away and believing that from that single eye witness viewing every detail of import has been revealed.

Question: if statistics are so misleading why is it that every sports program at every level from middle school to professional in every sport from field hockey to baseball keeps them and uses them to inform their approaches to the game. Why is it that certifiable sports geniuses like Bill Belichick and Mike Krwyzshewski employ dozens of informed professionals to watch game film and pore over statistics in an attempt to gain an advantage over their opponents. It seems to me that if you're right that its all a bunch of bushwa the industry could save billions of dollars by doing away with all those numbers and computers and analysis and so on and get you to sit in the stands and report back epiphanies such as Larry Washington is a starting point guard and D'Angelo Harrison is a thug and Durand Johnson is a chucker and Federico Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin and all they'd have to do is keep you in M & Ms and sodee pop.
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Or report that you graded my homework. I was one of a group of about 150 students who ran in hordes to anyone else who taught pharmacology largely because the guy we ran from was boring and so lazy that he had his son grades exams. You may not know that he ran to the department and complained the the school allowed all his students to transfer to a first year teacher who was despised as a student by faculty for being a wise ass.
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Is this necessary?
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To shut up someone who thinks that every discourse is an opportunity to berate, yes.
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Cheap shot, much like one you gave re someone's employment status not so long ago. Let's move on with "class" as you often reference.
 
Is this necessary?
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That's kind of you but I really don't mind. Pater has been dead lo these many years and if slandering his reputation can be used to score cheap debating points in an obscure corner of the internet by a rhetorical feeb, well, I'm sure he'd be happy to be remembered at all. That is perhaps not as enduring a legacy as the Presidential Medal he received from Father Cahill for his long service to the SJ community in creating and administering what was at the time the foremost pharmacology program in the country - I remember what a comfort that was to mater when she was widowed at such a young age and with children still in high school - and will perhaps not be noted in his entry in Who's Who in the World, but really what is Who's Who in the World anyway but a sort of box score of life and those are just statistics.
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Gee, sorry. I was just clarifying why you couldn't have graded my exams, and was providing the proper historical context as such.

Some context though:
1) SJU never had one of the best pharmacology departments in the country. SJU cheaped out on everything, and their faculty was an array of thickly accented immigrants, lazy career academicians, and the lowest priced faculty they could find.
2) President's award or not, the Dean of SJU's pharmacy school allowed nearly all of Dr. Fun's students to transfer out of his class and into a different section. Similar to Mr. Fun, his dad blew a fit, and against university policy announced that all remaining students would receive a grade of B or better.
3) I once had dinner with Dean Bartilucci, who candidly said that as Dean, he needed to balance very good teachers who never did research, with very bad teachers who reoutinely published research papers that helped the school maintain accredidation. Mr. Fun's dad fell into category 2 - a very bad teacher who couldn't even grade his own exams.
4) The fact that Fun's father attained mortality and is deceased is not part of the discussion.
 
Is this necessary?
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That's kind of you but I really don't mind. Pater has been dead lo these many years and if slandering his reputation can be used to score cheap debating points in an obscure corner of the internet by a rhetorical feeb, well, I'm sure he'd be happy to be remembered at all. That is perhaps not as enduring a legacy as the Presidential Medal he received from Father Cahill for his long service to the SJ community in creating and administering what was at the time the foremost pharmacology program in the country - I remember what a comfort that was to mater when she was widowed at such a young age and with children still in high school - and will perhaps not be noted in his entry in Who's Who in the World, but really what is Who's Who in the World anyway but a sort of box score of life and those are just statistics.
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Gee, sorry. I was just clarifying why you couldn't have graded my exams, and was providing the proper historical context as such.
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"My new year's resolution is to ignore all that you write"

Whoever had 20 minutes, you win the pool.
 
You only look at the box score - which in basketball is a foolish thing to do..
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Since you asked, what I do actually is record the games and watch them in high definition, sometimes more than once, using slow motion, rewind and instant reply, all the while beguiled by the expert commentary of such basketball luminaries as Steve Lavin and Bill Walton and while I am doing that and afterwards consult various statistical metrics, including the box score, to see whether my first hand impressions comport with reality. And then after all that I assemble that information into a cohesive written presentation, much to the delight of my many readers and fans. As opposed to watching the game once, from one angle, from 50 feet away and believing that from that single eye witness viewing every detail of import has been revealed.

Question: if statistics are so misleading why is it that every sports program at every level from middle school to professional in every sport from field hockey to baseball keeps them and uses them to inform their approaches to the game. Why is it that certifiable sports geniuses like Bill Belichick and Mike Krwyzshewski employ dozens of informed professionals to watch game film and pore over statistics in an attempt to gain an advantage over their opponents. It seems to me that if you're right that its all a bunch of bushwa the industry could save billions of dollars by doing away with all those numbers and computers and analysis and so on and get you to sit in the stands and report back epiphanies such as Larry Washington is a starting point guard and D'Angelo Harrison is a thug and Durand Johnson is a chucker and Federico Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin and all they'd have to do is keep you in M & Ms and sodee pop.
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Or report that you graded my homework. I was one of a group of about 150 students who ran in hordes to anyone else who taught pharmacology largely because the guy we ran from was boring and so lazy that he had his son grades exams. You may not know that he ran to the department and complained the the school allowed all his students to transfer to a first year teacher who was despised as a student by faculty for being a wise ass.
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Is this necessary?
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To shut up someone who thinks that every discourse is an opportunity to berate, yes.
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Cheap shot, much like one you gave re someone's employment status not so long ago. Let's move on with "class" as you often reference.
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That issue you mention was resolved via PM and had to do with the fact the person in question ignored the fact that OLV72 and I were talking about a friend who had died tragically.

You feel the need to moderate simply because you are here all day, much like your "upwind" comment when I was critical of Mussini being a Mullin type of player. I don't want to waste the boards time with this. IF you'd like to, PM me.
 
"Stats in basketball are misleading. This is why coaches also chart where guys are taking shots from on the floor, and where they are making them."

Sir, these are also referred to as data and are analyzed statistically, and I think you are saying can be extremely forthright.

"They factor in bad defense, not being able to remember plays, not boxing out, bad passes, dribbling too much, and any number of things stats don't reveal."

These too are all data and may be analyzed statistically. For example, bad passes will usually show up as turnover statistics. The key issue is whether it is honest, rational debate to misrepresent someone's argument to make it easier to attack ... the proverbial strawman.
 
Let's see............Paultzman or Beast of the East; give me a second. Time's up, Paultzman in a romp.
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Why do you have to pile on? The truth is that there are some buys here that are bullies. Fun is one of them, passive aggressive type. Then you hit him hard and he whines and plays the victim. If anyone here gets personal with me, I am going to go at him. Call it a Queens attitude. I won't tolerate it, and if you remember, just a couple of years ago, Fun when warned challenged mods to throw him off the board - they declined. Then when discussing SJU once, he said it was a crap school and he didn't go here. So if you want to side with him go ahead - it doesn't change the fact that he spends an awful lot of time belittling people.
 
"Stats in basketball are misleading. This is why coaches also chart where guys are taking shots from on the floor, and where they are making them."

Sir, these are also referred to as data and are analyzed statistically, and I think you are saying can be extremely forthright.

"They factor in bad defense, not being able to remember plays, not boxing out, bad passes, dribbling too much, and any number of things stats don't reveal."

These too are all data and may be analyzed statistically. For example, bad passes will usually show up as turnover statistics. The key issue is whether it is honest, rational debate to misrepresent someone's argument to make it easier to attack ... the proverbial strawman.
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Of course basketball statistics CAN be misleading. As can stats relative to anything else, if you are inclined to deception. But simply quantifying things that actually happened in a chart with numbers is as far from misleading as you can get. What is misleading in the case at hand is ignoring that 7 points and 6 rebounds in 18 minutes actually occurred on a basketball court based upon alleged I saw him miss a defensive assignment with my own two eyes, as if one negates the other, or as if everyone in basketball doesn't miss their assignments on occasion, or that everyone on this team doesn't miss many of their defensive assignments most of the time. If that was a criteria for floor time Mussini would have already been shipped back to Italy in a crate. Because he couldn't cover a chair.

However, stating the mere fact that someone who makes 90 of 100 free throws has shot FTs at a percentage of 90 is not misleading. Stating that Jones got 7 rebounds in 18 minutes is not a lie. What is a lie is pretending that saying that that he got 7 rebounds in 18 minutes is proof that he did or did not do something else, which is as you note a strawman, a favorite weapon of the rhetorically feeble. Whereas A listers like you and I know that they call them strawmen because they don't have brains.
 
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