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[quote="Class of 72" post=308137][quote="redken" post=308127][quote="Paultzman" post=308114][quote="Class of 72" post=308112][quote="Paul Massell" post=308095]Fresno is Mully's old neighborhood the same way Providence R.I. is. BTW who is your profile pic?[/quote]
Kid also lived in Oakland before Fresno. Pic is me and my best friend growing up. He went on to play at Thomas Jefferson which is Slick's alma mater but never made varsity. We used to walk to Jeff to watch a neighborhood legend Jimmy Mac (Jim McMillian) who was a couple of years older than us. Jim was one of the smartest athletes ever to play at Jeff. He played at Columbia where he dominated local college basketball. I was not Columbia material in my youth but the Lions were my favorite team while he was there after St. John's of course. He passed away a couple of years ago.[/quote]
Great Columbia team with Hayward Dotson & 7 footer Dave Newmark to complement the super Jim Mc. Saw Lions beat the Johnnies at MSG that season.[/quote]
Ironically, yesterday I was trying to explain to my new PCP -- a Columbia alum in about his late-30s, early 40s -- that the Lions were once a basketball power. He'd never knew that, let alone had ever heard of Jim McMillan, Hayward Dotson, or Shorty Newmark. Yet for me -- and most of our older posters, I'm guessing -- those teams are still vivid in our memories ... especially the special one-two punch of McMillan and Dotson.[/quote]
It was the golden age NY area college basketball. NYU, Princeton, Columbia, Fordham, St, John's etc. Do you remember the playoff game for the Ivy League between Columbia and a great Princeton team played in a sold out Alumni Hall at St. John's? I used to listen to the Columbia games on WKCR and I think the play by play student announcer was Jim Miller. Our games were broadcast on campus only! Depressing when one thinks that was 50 years ago.[/quote]
I only remember reading about that game in the papers and no doubt hearing about it on local TV sports recaps. But what I do remember is being at MSG for the 1967-68 Holiday Festival and watching the Lions defeat us, 60-55, to claim their first and only Holiday Festival championship. Jim McMillan, who just a soph, was voted tournament MVP. Tough loss, but great game. Needless to say, I came away from that game very impressed by Jim Mac and followed him closely aft er that.
Kid also lived in Oakland before Fresno. Pic is me and my best friend growing up. He went on to play at Thomas Jefferson which is Slick's alma mater but never made varsity. We used to walk to Jeff to watch a neighborhood legend Jimmy Mac (Jim McMillian) who was a couple of years older than us. Jim was one of the smartest athletes ever to play at Jeff. He played at Columbia where he dominated local college basketball. I was not Columbia material in my youth but the Lions were my favorite team while he was there after St. John's of course. He passed away a couple of years ago.[/quote]
Great Columbia team with Hayward Dotson & 7 footer Dave Newmark to complement the super Jim Mc. Saw Lions beat the Johnnies at MSG that season.[/quote]
Ironically, yesterday I was trying to explain to my new PCP -- a Columbia alum in about his late-30s, early 40s -- that the Lions were once a basketball power. He'd never knew that, let alone had ever heard of Jim McMillan, Hayward Dotson, or Shorty Newmark. Yet for me -- and most of our older posters, I'm guessing -- those teams are still vivid in our memories ... especially the special one-two punch of McMillan and Dotson.[/quote]
It was the golden age NY area college basketball. NYU, Princeton, Columbia, Fordham, St, John's etc. Do you remember the playoff game for the Ivy League between Columbia and a great Princeton team played in a sold out Alumni Hall at St. John's? I used to listen to the Columbia games on WKCR and I think the play by play student announcer was Jim Miller. Our games were broadcast on campus only! Depressing when one thinks that was 50 years ago.[/quote]
I only remember reading about that game in the papers and no doubt hearing about it on local TV sports recaps. But what I do remember is being at MSG for the 1967-68 Holiday Festival and watching the Lions defeat us, 60-55, to claim their first and only Holiday Festival championship. Jim McMillan, who just a soph, was voted tournament MVP. Tough loss, but great game. Needless to say, I came away from that game very impressed by Jim Mac and followed him closely aft er that.
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It can be argued that without Winton, perhaps Coach K never gets a call from Duke.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=308188]It can be argued that without Winton, perhaps Coach K never gets a call from Duke.[/quote]
Coach K's two seasons prior to Duke were disasters. His basketball record had little to do with the Duke job. It was the connection to and personal recommendation of Bobby Knight.
Question for General Sherman - I don't know the years you were at the Point but do you remember Bob Freeman who was from Texas and played with Coach K and was coached by Bobby Knight? He graduated in 1971. To show what a small world it is, he became my platoon leader after I got drafted. Great guy with great stories of Knight at the Point.
Coach K's two seasons prior to Duke were disasters. His basketball record had little to do with the Duke job. It was the connection to and personal recommendation of Bobby Knight.
Question for General Sherman - I don't know the years you were at the Point but do you remember Bob Freeman who was from Texas and played with Coach K and was coached by Bobby Knight? He graduated in 1971. To show what a small world it is, he became my platoon leader after I got drafted. Great guy with great stories of Knight at the Point.
[quote="Class of 72" post=308195][quote="Beast of the East" post=308188]It can be argued that without Winton, perhaps Coach K never gets a call from Duke.[/quote]
Coach K's two seasons prior to Duke were disasters. His basketball record had little to do with the Duke job. It was the connection to and personal recommendation of Bobby Knight.
Question for General Sherman - I don't know the years you were at the Point but do you remember Bob Freeman who was from Texas and played with Coach K and was coached by Bobby Knight? He graduated in 1971. To show what a small world it is, he became my platoon leader after I got drafted. Great guy with great stories of Knight at the Point.[/quote]
My Dear 72:
Bob Freeman - he was on the Black Knights team late 1960s yo I believe 1971 - don’t know much about him but sounds like a cool guy and platoon leader!
Gary Winton I do
Remember and I know Louis thought highly of him...here’s what I found:
Gary Joseph Winton is an American former basketball player best known for his collegiate career at the United States Military Academy between 1974 and 1978. A 6'5" forward from Somerville, Alabama, Winton scored a then-school record 2,296 points and grabbed a still-standing school record 1,168 rebounds. Wikipedia
I did see him
play in person against SJU at a game at the Academy! We( Army) lost - people ask me why I follow St. John’s when I attended the United Ststes Military Acadrmy ( aka Army, West Point, the Black Knights of the Hudson, the Cadets)
Well initially as s boy in the 1950s I
Followed NYU the Violets of Barry Kaplan, Happy Hairston, Mal Graham, Satch Sanders ( I believe these were all NYU players) - they made the final Four but eventually gave up Dividion 1 sports ( and ROTC as well)... strange I wound up attending law school in the Village there - the antithesis of my alma mater on
The Hudson
St. John’s was the best local program +
I had friends who attended in Queens and my sister graduated from
St. John’s Law when it was in Brooklyn.
Army was always the a great sports school (all cadets have to play sports even if not on varsity) but of course these days of blue chips and pro ball, it is difficult to recruit.
As a cadet 1966-1970 there was Bobby Knight BBall coach, Mike K point guard, Arthur Ashe tennis coach, Bill Parcels on
the football staff as was Vince Lombardi in earlier days under famous coach Earl Red Black.
Pete Dawkins was a Heisman Trophy winner in the 1950s; Rollie Stichway was a terrific quarterback in the late 1950s early 1960s and played against and beat Roger Staubach and Navy! A great anecdote was when Rollie Stichway was inducted into the West Point hall of fame, Staubach attended and I thought that was admirable ( no pun intended) of him.
In the1940s many know we had Blanchard and Davis two Heisnan winners and a few national championships. I am biased and Army not the Dallas Coyboys are “America’s Team”
Geirge Washington wanted the Academy and Thomas Jefferson signed it into law - plus Grant, Eisenhower, two of the three astronauts on the first moon landing..
Pardon any typos
Enough from me!
Coach K's two seasons prior to Duke were disasters. His basketball record had little to do with the Duke job. It was the connection to and personal recommendation of Bobby Knight.
Question for General Sherman - I don't know the years you were at the Point but do you remember Bob Freeman who was from Texas and played with Coach K and was coached by Bobby Knight? He graduated in 1971. To show what a small world it is, he became my platoon leader after I got drafted. Great guy with great stories of Knight at the Point.[/quote]
My Dear 72:
Bob Freeman - he was on the Black Knights team late 1960s yo I believe 1971 - don’t know much about him but sounds like a cool guy and platoon leader!
Gary Winton I do
Remember and I know Louis thought highly of him...here’s what I found:
Gary Joseph Winton is an American former basketball player best known for his collegiate career at the United States Military Academy between 1974 and 1978. A 6'5" forward from Somerville, Alabama, Winton scored a then-school record 2,296 points and grabbed a still-standing school record 1,168 rebounds. Wikipedia
I did see him
play in person against SJU at a game at the Academy! We( Army) lost - people ask me why I follow St. John’s when I attended the United Ststes Military Acadrmy ( aka Army, West Point, the Black Knights of the Hudson, the Cadets)
Well initially as s boy in the 1950s I
Followed NYU the Violets of Barry Kaplan, Happy Hairston, Mal Graham, Satch Sanders ( I believe these were all NYU players) - they made the final Four but eventually gave up Dividion 1 sports ( and ROTC as well)... strange I wound up attending law school in the Village there - the antithesis of my alma mater on
The Hudson
St. John’s was the best local program +
I had friends who attended in Queens and my sister graduated from
St. John’s Law when it was in Brooklyn.
Army was always the a great sports school (all cadets have to play sports even if not on varsity) but of course these days of blue chips and pro ball, it is difficult to recruit.
As a cadet 1966-1970 there was Bobby Knight BBall coach, Mike K point guard, Arthur Ashe tennis coach, Bill Parcels on
the football staff as was Vince Lombardi in earlier days under famous coach Earl Red Black.
Pete Dawkins was a Heisman Trophy winner in the 1950s; Rollie Stichway was a terrific quarterback in the late 1950s early 1960s and played against and beat Roger Staubach and Navy! A great anecdote was when Rollie Stichway was inducted into the West Point hall of fame, Staubach attended and I thought that was admirable ( no pun intended) of him.
In the1940s many know we had Blanchard and Davis two Heisnan winners and a few national championships. I am biased and Army not the Dallas Coyboys are “America’s Team”
Geirge Washington wanted the Academy and Thomas Jefferson signed it into law - plus Grant, Eisenhower, two of the three astronauts on the first moon landing..
Pardon any typos
Enough from me!
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Class of 72
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[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=308209][quote="Class of 72" post=308195][quote="Beast of the East" post=308188]It can be argued that without Winton, perhaps Coach K never gets a call from Duke.[/quote]
Coach K's two seasons prior to Duke were disasters. His basketball record had little to do with the Duke job. It was the connection to and personal recommendation of Bobby Knight.
Question for General Sherman - I don't know the years you were at the Point but do you remember Bob Freeman who was from Texas and played with Coach K and was coached by Bobby Knight? He graduated in 1971. To show what a small world it is, he became my platoon leader after I got drafted. Great guy with great stories of Knight at the Point.[/quote]
My Dear 72:
Bob Freeman - he was on the Black Knights team late 1960s yo I believe 1971 - don’t know much about him but sounds like a cool guy and platoon leader!
Gary Winton I do
Remember and I know Louis thought highly of him...here’s what I found:
Gary Joseph Winton is an American former basketball player best known for his collegiate career at the United States Military Academy between 1974 and 1978. A 6'5" forward from Somerville, Alabama, Winton scored a then-school record 2,296 points and grabbed a still-standing school record 1,168 rebounds. Wikipedia
I did see him
play in person against SJU at a game at the Academy! We( Army) lost - people ask me why I follow St. John’s when I attended the United Ststes Military Acadrmy ( aka Army, West Point, the Black Knights of the Hudson, the Cadets)
Well initially as s boy in the 1950s I
Followed NYU the Violets of Barry Kaplan, Happy Hairston, Mal Graham, Satch Sanders ( I believe these were all NYU players) - they made the final Four but eventually gave up Dividion 1 sports ( and ROTC as well)... strange I wound up attending law school in the Village there - the antithesis of my alma mater on
The Hudson
St. John’s was the best local program +
I had friends who attended in Queens and my sister graduated from
St. John’s Law when it was in Brooklyn.
Army was always the a great sports school (all cadets have to play sports even if not on varsity) but of course these days of blue chips and pro ball, it is difficult to recruit.
As a cadet 1966-1970 there was Bobby Knight BBall coach, Mike K point guard, Arthur Ashe tennis coach, Bill Parcels on
the football staff as was Vince Lombardi in earlier days under famous coach Earl Red Black.
Pete Dawkins was a Heisman Trophy winner in the 1950s; Rollie Stichway was a terrific quarterback in the late 1950s early 1960s and played against and beat Roger Staubach and Navy! A great anecdote was when Rollie Stichway was inducted into the West Point hall of fame, Staubach attended and I thought that was admirable ( no pun intended) of him.
In the1940s many know we had Blanchard and Davis two Heisnan winners and a few national championships. I am biased and Army not the Dallas Coyboys are “America’s Team”
Geirge Washington wanted the Academy and Thomas Jefferson signed it into law - plus Grant, Eisenhower, two of the three astronauts on the first moon landing..
Pardon any typos
Enough from me![/quote]
I kept in touch with Freeman until he reached the rank of Captain and then lost touch. We were part of the 2nd Armored Division (Hell on Wheels) which was General Patton's old Division. A fellow friend re-upped in 1974 and was on the AG staff under Superintendent Goodpaster. Gary Winton played at the point under the command of (Andrew Jackson) Goodpaster. You may recall that was the period of the first female cadets. My friend was a native of Kingston NY and was able to commute to work rather than live in the barracks.
Coach K's two seasons prior to Duke were disasters. His basketball record had little to do with the Duke job. It was the connection to and personal recommendation of Bobby Knight.
Question for General Sherman - I don't know the years you were at the Point but do you remember Bob Freeman who was from Texas and played with Coach K and was coached by Bobby Knight? He graduated in 1971. To show what a small world it is, he became my platoon leader after I got drafted. Great guy with great stories of Knight at the Point.[/quote]
My Dear 72:
Bob Freeman - he was on the Black Knights team late 1960s yo I believe 1971 - don’t know much about him but sounds like a cool guy and platoon leader!
Gary Winton I do
Remember and I know Louis thought highly of him...here’s what I found:
Gary Joseph Winton is an American former basketball player best known for his collegiate career at the United States Military Academy between 1974 and 1978. A 6'5" forward from Somerville, Alabama, Winton scored a then-school record 2,296 points and grabbed a still-standing school record 1,168 rebounds. Wikipedia
I did see him
play in person against SJU at a game at the Academy! We( Army) lost - people ask me why I follow St. John’s when I attended the United Ststes Military Acadrmy ( aka Army, West Point, the Black Knights of the Hudson, the Cadets)
Well initially as s boy in the 1950s I
Followed NYU the Violets of Barry Kaplan, Happy Hairston, Mal Graham, Satch Sanders ( I believe these were all NYU players) - they made the final Four but eventually gave up Dividion 1 sports ( and ROTC as well)... strange I wound up attending law school in the Village there - the antithesis of my alma mater on
The Hudson
St. John’s was the best local program +
I had friends who attended in Queens and my sister graduated from
St. John’s Law when it was in Brooklyn.
Army was always the a great sports school (all cadets have to play sports even if not on varsity) but of course these days of blue chips and pro ball, it is difficult to recruit.
As a cadet 1966-1970 there was Bobby Knight BBall coach, Mike K point guard, Arthur Ashe tennis coach, Bill Parcels on
the football staff as was Vince Lombardi in earlier days under famous coach Earl Red Black.
Pete Dawkins was a Heisman Trophy winner in the 1950s; Rollie Stichway was a terrific quarterback in the late 1950s early 1960s and played against and beat Roger Staubach and Navy! A great anecdote was when Rollie Stichway was inducted into the West Point hall of fame, Staubach attended and I thought that was admirable ( no pun intended) of him.
In the1940s many know we had Blanchard and Davis two Heisnan winners and a few national championships. I am biased and Army not the Dallas Coyboys are “America’s Team”
Geirge Washington wanted the Academy and Thomas Jefferson signed it into law - plus Grant, Eisenhower, two of the three astronauts on the first moon landing..
Pardon any typos
Enough from me![/quote]
I kept in touch with Freeman until he reached the rank of Captain and then lost touch. We were part of the 2nd Armored Division (Hell on Wheels) which was General Patton's old Division. A fellow friend re-upped in 1974 and was on the AG staff under Superintendent Goodpaster. Gary Winton played at the point under the command of (Andrew Jackson) Goodpaster. You may recall that was the period of the first female cadets. My friend was a native of Kingston NY and was able to commute to work rather than live in the barracks.
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=308209][quote="Class of 72" post=308195][quote="Beast of the East" post=308188]It can be argued that without Winton, perhaps Coach K never gets a call from Duke.[/quote]
Coach K's two seasons prior to Duke were disasters. His basketball record had little to do with the Duke job. It was the connection to and personal recommendation of Bobby Knight.
Question for General Sherman - I don't know the years you were at the Point but do you remember Bob Freeman who was from Texas and played with Coach K and was coached by Bobby Knight? He graduated in 1971. To show what a small world it is, he became my platoon leader after I got drafted. Great guy with great stories of Knight at the Point.[/quote]
My Dear 72:
Bob Freeman - he was on the Black Knights team late 1960s yo I believe 1971 - don’t know much about him but sounds like a cool guy and platoon leader!
Gary Winton I do
Remember and I know Louis thought highly of him...here’s what I found:
Gary Joseph Winton is an American former basketball player best known for his collegiate career at the United States Military Academy between 1974 and 1978. A 6'5" forward from Somerville, Alabama, Winton scored a then-school record 2,296 points and grabbed a still-standing school record 1,168 rebounds. Wikipedia
I did see him
play in person against SJU at a game at the Academy! We( Army) lost - people ask me why I follow St. John’s when I attended the United Ststes Military Acadrmy ( aka Army, West Point, the Black Knights of the Hudson, the Cadets)
Well initially as s boy in the 1950s I
Followed NYU the Violets of Barry Kaplan, Happy Hairston, Mal Graham, Satch Sanders ( I believe these were all NYU players) - they made the final Four but eventually gave up Dividion 1 sports ( and ROTC as well)... strange I wound up attending law school in the Village there - the antithesis of my alma mater on
The Hudson
St. John’s was the best local program +
I had friends who attended in Queens and my sister graduated from
St. John’s Law when it was in Brooklyn.
Army was always the a great sports school (all cadets have to play sports even if not on varsity) but of course these days of blue chips and pro ball, it is difficult to recruit.
As a cadet 1966-1970 there was Bobby Knight BBall coach, Mike K point guard, Arthur Ashe tennis coach, Bill Parcels on
the football staff as was Vince Lombardi in earlier days under famous coach Earl Red Black.
Pete Dawkins was a Heisman Trophy winner in the 1950s; Rollie Stichway was a terrific quarterback in the late 1950s early 1960s and played against and beat Roger Staubach and Navy! A great anecdote was when Rollie Stichway was inducted into the West Point hall of fame, Staubach attended and I thought that was admirable ( no pun intended) of him.
In the1940s many know we had Blanchard and Davis two Heisnan winners and a few national championships. I am biased and Army not the Dallas Coyboys are “America’s Team”
Geirge Washington wanted the Academy and Thomas Jefferson signed it into law - plus Grant, Eisenhower, two of the three astronauts on the first moon landing..
Pardon any typos
Enough from me![/quote]
General, as we have discussed in PM's I was at NYU while you were at West Point. It was Barry Kramer '64 and Bruce Kaplan '66 for the Violet. Also you left out the "lonesome end" Bill Carpenter for the USMA.
Coach K's two seasons prior to Duke were disasters. His basketball record had little to do with the Duke job. It was the connection to and personal recommendation of Bobby Knight.
Question for General Sherman - I don't know the years you were at the Point but do you remember Bob Freeman who was from Texas and played with Coach K and was coached by Bobby Knight? He graduated in 1971. To show what a small world it is, he became my platoon leader after I got drafted. Great guy with great stories of Knight at the Point.[/quote]
My Dear 72:
Bob Freeman - he was on the Black Knights team late 1960s yo I believe 1971 - don’t know much about him but sounds like a cool guy and platoon leader!
Gary Winton I do
Remember and I know Louis thought highly of him...here’s what I found:
Gary Joseph Winton is an American former basketball player best known for his collegiate career at the United States Military Academy between 1974 and 1978. A 6'5" forward from Somerville, Alabama, Winton scored a then-school record 2,296 points and grabbed a still-standing school record 1,168 rebounds. Wikipedia
I did see him
play in person against SJU at a game at the Academy! We( Army) lost - people ask me why I follow St. John’s when I attended the United Ststes Military Acadrmy ( aka Army, West Point, the Black Knights of the Hudson, the Cadets)
Well initially as s boy in the 1950s I
Followed NYU the Violets of Barry Kaplan, Happy Hairston, Mal Graham, Satch Sanders ( I believe these were all NYU players) - they made the final Four but eventually gave up Dividion 1 sports ( and ROTC as well)... strange I wound up attending law school in the Village there - the antithesis of my alma mater on
The Hudson
St. John’s was the best local program +
I had friends who attended in Queens and my sister graduated from
St. John’s Law when it was in Brooklyn.
Army was always the a great sports school (all cadets have to play sports even if not on varsity) but of course these days of blue chips and pro ball, it is difficult to recruit.
As a cadet 1966-1970 there was Bobby Knight BBall coach, Mike K point guard, Arthur Ashe tennis coach, Bill Parcels on
the football staff as was Vince Lombardi in earlier days under famous coach Earl Red Black.
Pete Dawkins was a Heisman Trophy winner in the 1950s; Rollie Stichway was a terrific quarterback in the late 1950s early 1960s and played against and beat Roger Staubach and Navy! A great anecdote was when Rollie Stichway was inducted into the West Point hall of fame, Staubach attended and I thought that was admirable ( no pun intended) of him.
In the1940s many know we had Blanchard and Davis two Heisnan winners and a few national championships. I am biased and Army not the Dallas Coyboys are “America’s Team”
Geirge Washington wanted the Academy and Thomas Jefferson signed it into law - plus Grant, Eisenhower, two of the three astronauts on the first moon landing..
Pardon any typos
Enough from me![/quote]
General, as we have discussed in PM's I was at NYU while you were at West Point. It was Barry Kramer '64 and Bruce Kaplan '66 for the Violet. Also you left out the "lonesome end" Bill Carpenter for the USMA.
[quote="fuchsia" post=308292]General, as we have discussed in PM's I was at NYU while you were at West Point. It was Barry Kramer '64 and Bruce Kaplan '66 for the Violet. Also you left out the "lonesome end" Bill Carpenter for the USMA.[/quote]
General, I may have missed it (it was a long post), but you also left out the first Army footballer I ever watched: Dawkins's backfield teammate and two-time All-America, Bob Anderson, who led Army in rushing during each of his three varsity seasons, and helped lead them to a 19-6-2 (.741) record over his career ... and whose total career rushing yardage was second only to the legendary Glenn Davis. And as you no doubt, Anderson was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2004.
General, I may have missed it (it was a long post), but you also left out the first Army footballer I ever watched: Dawkins's backfield teammate and two-time All-America, Bob Anderson, who led Army in rushing during each of his three varsity seasons, and helped lead them to a 19-6-2 (.741) record over his career ... and whose total career rushing yardage was second only to the legendary Glenn Davis. And as you no doubt, Anderson was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2004.
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