Ponds Plans
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[quote="Paultzman" post=329549]Not exactly a surprise;
Zach B
This year, Shamorie Ponds isn’t planning to test NBA Draft waters, his father tells me. A definitive decision will come after season, but all signs point to him going pro: #sjubb[/quote]
I said this after last year. Some of the warts in his game are always going to be there (height, no wingspan, below average athleticism, to name three). He did work on some things the scouts told him to work on (not always to this team's benefit), but if they are still down on him after doing that, it might not get any better. He might as well see what he can get now, rather then wait a year to cash in, and likely be in the same spot.
Zach B
This year, Shamorie Ponds isn’t planning to test NBA Draft waters, his father tells me. A definitive decision will come after season, but all signs point to him going pro: #sjubb[/quote]
I said this after last year. Some of the warts in his game are always going to be there (height, no wingspan, below average athleticism, to name three). He did work on some things the scouts told him to work on (not always to this team's benefit), but if they are still down on him after doing that, it might not get any better. He might as well see what he can get now, rather then wait a year to cash in, and likely be in the same spot.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/12/shamorie-ponds-plans-to-make-definitive-nba-decision/
“A source within the program said the expectation is the 6-foot-1 Ponds will go pro, which is why the coaching staff signed junior college point guard Cam Mack.”
“A source within the program said the expectation is the 6-foot-1 Ponds will go pro, which is why the coaching staff signed junior college point guard Cam Mack.”
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[quote="Paultzman" post=329549]Not exactly a surprise;
Zach B
This year, Shamorie Ponds isn’t planning to test NBA Draft waters, his father tells me. A definitive decision will come after season, but all signs point to him going pro: #sjubb[/quote]
If he stays we might really have something next year, wishful thinking i guess, glass half full.
Zach B
This year, Shamorie Ponds isn’t planning to test NBA Draft waters, his father tells me. A definitive decision will come after season, but all signs point to him going pro: #sjubb[/quote]
If he stays we might really have something next year, wishful thinking i guess, glass half full.
[quote="Tommy O 54" post=329552][quote="Paultzman" post=329549]Not exactly a surprise;
Zach B
This year, Shamorie Ponds isn’t planning to test NBA Draft waters, his father tells me. A definitive decision will come after season, but all signs point to him going pro: #sjubb[/quote]
If he stays we might really have something next year, wishful thinking i guess, glass half full.[/quote]
Very wishful
Zach B
This year, Shamorie Ponds isn’t planning to test NBA Draft waters, his father tells me. A definitive decision will come after season, but all signs point to him going pro: #sjubb[/quote]
If he stays we might really have something next year, wishful thinking i guess, glass half full.[/quote]
Very wishful
beast of the east
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By signing with an agent, this will end his college career. With a highly refined game, he would be worth a late first round gamble that he could translate college success at the NBA level. With his recent ineffectiveness and quiet periods in games masquerading as patience, scouts can only conclude that in the NBA where everything is bigger, stronger, and faster, successful transition wouldn't be likely at this point.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.
Man, I hope he stays. IMO, the Duke game was an ugly preview of how he'd fare right now in the NBA. As Dickie V (who I can't stand, but nevertheless makes valid points once in a while) said during the broadcast--when you're as small as Ponds, you've got to prove you're really, really special to make it in the NBA. I think he can, but he still has work to do. Stay Shamorie, stay!
redfan259999888
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[quote="P Simmons" post=329562]Man, I hope he stays. IMO, the Duke game was an ugly preview of how he'd fare right now in the NBA. As Dickie V (who I can't stand, but nevertheless makes valid points once in a while) said during the broadcast--when you're as small as Ponds, you've got to prove you're really, really special to make it in the NBA. I think he can, but he still has work to do. Stay Shamorie, stay![/quote]
He's no Spud Webb or Mugsy Bogues.
He's no Spud Webb or Mugsy Bogues.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=329554]By signing with an agent, this will end his college career. With a highly refined game, he would be worth a late first round gamble that he could translate college success at the NBA level. With his recent ineffectiveness and quiet periods in games masquerading as patience, scouts can only conclude that in the NBA where everything is bigger, stronger, and faster, successful transition wouldn't be likely at this point.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
I believe with the new rules he is allowed to sign with an agent this year and even attend the combine, stay in the draft, and still return if he isn’t drafted.
Barring a huge run in the tournament or a great combine (if he is invited), he will go undrafted IMO. His junior season has raised more questions than it has provided answers...his antics on the court, questionable hustle, inconsistent defense, being shut down on multiple occasions by more physically gifted players, etc.
He looked like a better prospect last year at this time.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
I believe with the new rules he is allowed to sign with an agent this year and even attend the combine, stay in the draft, and still return if he isn’t drafted.
Barring a huge run in the tournament or a great combine (if he is invited), he will go undrafted IMO. His junior season has raised more questions than it has provided answers...his antics on the court, questionable hustle, inconsistent defense, being shut down on multiple occasions by more physically gifted players, etc.
He looked like a better prospect last year at this time.
JohnnyFever
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Sometimes I question whether or not good college players realize just how hard it is to make it to the NBA and then stick even on a bench. It's Ponds' choice so good for him if he chooses overseas or wherever and still hope he gets drafted...but he has been very quiet even against pretty mediocre teams. Forget his name but the Duke kid literally stopped him completely in his tracks with ease. When Duke did that, everyone else started double-teaming him and it pretty much ensured he would not take over games like he used to. Sure he can still drop 17 or 20 or whatever, but it's been a while since he was at the point he was last year just tearing though teams by himself. Have to be honest, I just can't see Ponds slicing up NBA defenders who are way bigger, faster, and more athletic. Maybe he can be a catch and shoot guy off the bench if he refines his shooting from long range but idk. I wish the kid well, just wish more players would realize how sticking around to get a degree is a very smart idea.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=329578]Sometimes I question whether or not good college players realize just how hard it is to make it to the NBA and then stick even on a bench. It's Ponds' choice so good for him if he chooses overseas or wherever and still hope he gets drafted...but he has been very quiet even against pretty mediocre teams. Forget his name but the Duke kid literally stopped him completely in his tracks with ease. When Duke did that, everyone else started double-teaming him and it pretty much ensured he would not take over games like he used to. Sure he can still drop 17 or 20 or whatever, but it's been a while since he was at the point he was last year just tearing though teams by himself. Have to be honest, I just can't see Ponds slicing up NBA defenders who are way bigger, faster, and more athletic. Maybe he can be a catch and shoot guy off the bench if he refines his shooting from long range but idk. I wish the kid well, just wish more players would realize how sticking around to get a degree is a very smart idea.[/quote]
He can always come back and finish his degree.
I bolded those two sentences in your post Zaun, because if true, I don't think that's something he can correct (certainly not enough to get into mid-first round level of the draft). If that's the case, if that's still going to be the case next year, then it's understandable that he would want to cash out now, IMO, even if it's not in the NBA.
Also, if he does not get drafted, I'm sure he'll get tryout offers from multiple teams. He could figure out which of those teams (if any) he has the best chance to stick on, and sign a 2-way contract (or something like that) with them.
He can always come back and finish his degree.
I bolded those two sentences in your post Zaun, because if true, I don't think that's something he can correct (certainly not enough to get into mid-first round level of the draft). If that's the case, if that's still going to be the case next year, then it's understandable that he would want to cash out now, IMO, even if it's not in the NBA.
Also, if he does not get drafted, I'm sure he'll get tryout offers from multiple teams. He could figure out which of those teams (if any) he has the best chance to stick on, and sign a 2-way contract (or something like that) with them.
ManhattAn1
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Someone mentioned he is on track to graduate this spring.
Players are usually on campus for summer sessions to practice so you see more and more players graduating in 3 years.
Players are usually on campus for summer sessions to practice so you see more and more players graduating in 3 years.
[quote="SJU61982" post=329580][quote="Mike Zaun" post=329578]Sometimes I question whether or not good college players realize just how hard it is to make it to the NBA and then stick even on a bench. It's Ponds' choice so good for him if he chooses overseas or wherever and still hope he gets drafted...but he has been very quiet even against pretty mediocre teams. Forget his name but the Duke kid literally stopped him completely in his tracks with ease. When Duke did that, everyone else started double-teaming him and it pretty much ensured he would not take over games like he used to. Sure he can still drop 17 or 20 or whatever, but it's been a while since he was at the point he was last year just tearing though teams by himself. Have to be honest, I just can't see Ponds slicing up NBA defenders who are way bigger, faster, and more athletic. Maybe he can be a catch and shoot guy off the bench if he refines his shooting from long range but idk. I wish the kid well, just wish more players would realize how sticking around to get a degree is a very smart idea.[/quote]
He can always come back and finish his degree.
I bolded those two sentences in your post Zaun, because if true, I don't think that's something he can correct (certainly not enough to get into mid-first round level of the draft). If that's the case, if that's still going to be the case next year, then it's understandable that he would want to cash out now, IMO, even if it's not in the NBA.
Also, if he does not get drafted, I'm sure he'll get tryout offers from multiple teams. He could figure out which of those teams (if any) he has the best chance to stick on, and sign a 2-way contract (or something like that) with them.[/quote]
I’m out of my depth on this, but I’ve heard others talk about how second round picks have some cap-saving value the last few years that they didn’t use to have and second round picks are retained because of it.
Shamorie is a very young junior. I would advise him to enter the draft, hire an agent, attend the combine, keep up with school work, and go pro if drafted. If not, go back to school. If he doesn’t keep up with school he will be forced to make a decision out of necessity. That is almost always unwise. He will be a grad student next year if he comes back so he can take a small course load and stop attending classes in the spring if he wanted.
He can always come back and finish his degree.
I bolded those two sentences in your post Zaun, because if true, I don't think that's something he can correct (certainly not enough to get into mid-first round level of the draft). If that's the case, if that's still going to be the case next year, then it's understandable that he would want to cash out now, IMO, even if it's not in the NBA.
Also, if he does not get drafted, I'm sure he'll get tryout offers from multiple teams. He could figure out which of those teams (if any) he has the best chance to stick on, and sign a 2-way contract (or something like that) with them.[/quote]
I’m out of my depth on this, but I’ve heard others talk about how second round picks have some cap-saving value the last few years that they didn’t use to have and second round picks are retained because of it.
Shamorie is a very young junior. I would advise him to enter the draft, hire an agent, attend the combine, keep up with school work, and go pro if drafted. If not, go back to school. If he doesn’t keep up with school he will be forced to make a decision out of necessity. That is almost always unwise. He will be a grad student next year if he comes back so he can take a small course load and stop attending classes in the spring if he wanted.
I believe Paultz that he is not coming back, so even though the team has not (yet) achieved what I am sure he had hoped, I just wish the young man the best and thank him for his choice to play here. Hopefully he can lead the team on a run that helps the team and his future prospects.
beast of the east
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[quote="Manhattan1" post=329589]Someone mentioned he is on track to graduate this spring.
Players are usually on campus for summer sessions to practice so you see more and more players graduating in 3 years.[/quote]
I can't wait for the announcement that he is transferring to UCONN or some other knife in our heart.
Players are usually on campus for summer sessions to practice so you see more and more players graduating in 3 years.[/quote]
I can't wait for the announcement that he is transferring to UCONN or some other knife in our heart.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=329554]By signing with an agent, this will end his college career. With a highly refined game, he would be worth a late first round gamble that he could translate college success at the NBA level. With his recent ineffectiveness and quiet periods in games masquerading as patience, scouts can only conclude that in the NBA where everything is bigger, stronger, and faster, successful transition wouldn't be likely at this point.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
It's very very easy for people like us to overlook this. Most of these kids come from nothing, and have played their way out of the projects to get to a good D-1 program. He's not simply going to overlook a year of professional income to appease the prototypical SJU fan old-school middle aged guys from Queens. As much as we want him to.
He owes us nothing. And we should be proud at the prospect of putting one of our guys in the NBA. That is a big contribution in and of itself to our future recruiting.
I've said it on here once before, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, because you aren't doing it in your post, but it's cringeworthy when men come on here and serve up backhanded criticisms to start players in a weird effort to get them to stay at school, just completely weird to me. All of a sudden everyone who wants him to stay is a NBA scout and can pinpoint the weaknesses of his game. It's not fair and not right to the player. Let the kid eat.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
It's very very easy for people like us to overlook this. Most of these kids come from nothing, and have played their way out of the projects to get to a good D-1 program. He's not simply going to overlook a year of professional income to appease the prototypical SJU fan old-school middle aged guys from Queens. As much as we want him to.
He owes us nothing. And we should be proud at the prospect of putting one of our guys in the NBA. That is a big contribution in and of itself to our future recruiting.
I've said it on here once before, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, because you aren't doing it in your post, but it's cringeworthy when men come on here and serve up backhanded criticisms to start players in a weird effort to get them to stay at school, just completely weird to me. All of a sudden everyone who wants him to stay is a NBA scout and can pinpoint the weaknesses of his game. It's not fair and not right to the player. Let the kid eat.
beast of the east
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[quote="Chris7" post=329600][quote="Beast of the East" post=329554]By signing with an agent, this will end his college career. With a highly refined game, he would be worth a late first round gamble that he could translate college success at the NBA level. With his recent ineffectiveness and quiet periods in games masquerading as patience, scouts can only conclude that in the NBA where everything is bigger, stronger, and faster, successful transition wouldn't be likely at this point.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
It's very very easy for people like us to overlook this. Most of these kids come from nothing, and have played their way out of the projects to get to a good D-1 program. He's not simply going to overlook a year of professional income to appease the prototypical SJU fan old-school middle aged guys from Queens. As much as we want him to.
He owes us nothing. And we should be proud at the prospect of putting one of our guys in the NBA. That is a big contribution in and of itself to our future recruiting.
I've said it on here once before, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, because you aren't doing it in your post, but it's cringeworthy when men come on here and serve up backhanded criticisms to start players in a weird effort to get them to stay at school, just completely weird to me. All of a sudden everyone who wants him to stay is a NBA scout and can pinpoint the weaknesses of his game. It's not fair and not right to the player. Let the kid eat.[/quote]
Your interpretation is wrong, way wrong. Any kid who can play in the NBA, Harkless, Sampson, Artest, maybe Ponds, is crazy to stick around, and just about every coach would advise him to take the money, and any fan as well. Ponds may be closer to borderline, but it wouldn't seem out of line if our fans said the same about LJ, Simon, or Heron aiming towards the NBA draft this year.
Thus far, the inklings that have been published vis a vis NBA scouts is that Ponds hasn't helped his case as a first round draft pick during the Big East season. I think should he turn pro and get drafted 1st round, any true fan of the program would be elated, or if he managed to get drafted 2nd round and stuck on an NBA roster.
What I was referring to is Ponds leaving and playing overseas, which just about any D1 player can do (see Phil Missere a walk on here who has had a nice career). I would venture to guess that coming back and having a bang up senior season would increase his NBA visibility and prospects much greater than playing pro ball in Zimbabwe.
The point I would agree is that he owes SJU nothing, and certainly whatever makes him happy after 3 years here he should pursue.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
It's very very easy for people like us to overlook this. Most of these kids come from nothing, and have played their way out of the projects to get to a good D-1 program. He's not simply going to overlook a year of professional income to appease the prototypical SJU fan old-school middle aged guys from Queens. As much as we want him to.
He owes us nothing. And we should be proud at the prospect of putting one of our guys in the NBA. That is a big contribution in and of itself to our future recruiting.
I've said it on here once before, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, because you aren't doing it in your post, but it's cringeworthy when men come on here and serve up backhanded criticisms to start players in a weird effort to get them to stay at school, just completely weird to me. All of a sudden everyone who wants him to stay is a NBA scout and can pinpoint the weaknesses of his game. It's not fair and not right to the player. Let the kid eat.[/quote]
Your interpretation is wrong, way wrong. Any kid who can play in the NBA, Harkless, Sampson, Artest, maybe Ponds, is crazy to stick around, and just about every coach would advise him to take the money, and any fan as well. Ponds may be closer to borderline, but it wouldn't seem out of line if our fans said the same about LJ, Simon, or Heron aiming towards the NBA draft this year.
Thus far, the inklings that have been published vis a vis NBA scouts is that Ponds hasn't helped his case as a first round draft pick during the Big East season. I think should he turn pro and get drafted 1st round, any true fan of the program would be elated, or if he managed to get drafted 2nd round and stuck on an NBA roster.
What I was referring to is Ponds leaving and playing overseas, which just about any D1 player can do (see Phil Missere a walk on here who has had a nice career). I would venture to guess that coming back and having a bang up senior season would increase his NBA visibility and prospects much greater than playing pro ball in Zimbabwe.
The point I would agree is that he owes SJU nothing, and certainly whatever makes him happy after 3 years here he should pursue.
[quote="Chris7" post=329600][quote="Beast of the East" post=329554]By signing with an agent, this will end his college career. With a highly refined game, he would be worth a late first round gamble that he could translate college success at the NBA level. With his recent ineffectiveness and quiet periods in games masquerading as patience, scouts can only conclude that in the NBA where everything is bigger, stronger, and faster, successful transition wouldn't be likely at this point.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
It's very very easy for people like us to overlook this. Most of these kids come from nothing, and have played their way out of the projects to get to a good D-1 program. He's not simply going to overlook a year of professional income to appease the prototypical SJU fan old-school middle aged guys from Queens. As much as we want him to.
He owes us nothing. And we should be proud at the prospect of putting one of our guys in the NBA. That is a big contribution in and of itself to our future recruiting.
I've said it on here once before, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, because you aren't doing it in your post, but it's cringeworthy when men come on here and serve up backhanded criticisms to start players in a weird effort to get them to stay at school, just completely weird to me. All of a sudden everyone who wants him to stay is a NBA scout and can pinpoint the weaknesses of his game. It's not fair and not right to the player. Let the kid eat.[/quote]
What does a year of non-NBA professional income actually look like? Lovett is making 60k in Serbia before agent fees, middlemen, and taxes. Is that better than room, board, and education + resume building in New York? I don’t think so.
I’ve never met an American that played abroad who wasn’t stiffed by his club overseas. Also, look at the tax rates in Europe. Not pretty.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
It's very very easy for people like us to overlook this. Most of these kids come from nothing, and have played their way out of the projects to get to a good D-1 program. He's not simply going to overlook a year of professional income to appease the prototypical SJU fan old-school middle aged guys from Queens. As much as we want him to.
He owes us nothing. And we should be proud at the prospect of putting one of our guys in the NBA. That is a big contribution in and of itself to our future recruiting.
I've said it on here once before, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, because you aren't doing it in your post, but it's cringeworthy when men come on here and serve up backhanded criticisms to start players in a weird effort to get them to stay at school, just completely weird to me. All of a sudden everyone who wants him to stay is a NBA scout and can pinpoint the weaknesses of his game. It's not fair and not right to the player. Let the kid eat.[/quote]
What does a year of non-NBA professional income actually look like? Lovett is making 60k in Serbia before agent fees, middlemen, and taxes. Is that better than room, board, and education + resume building in New York? I don’t think so.
I’ve never met an American that played abroad who wasn’t stiffed by his club overseas. Also, look at the tax rates in Europe. Not pretty.
[quote="Marillac" post=329606][quote="Chris7" post=329600][quote="Beast of the East" post=329554]By signing with an agent, this will end his college career. With a highly refined game, he would be worth a late first round gamble that he could translate college success at the NBA level. With his recent ineffectiveness and quiet periods in games masquerading as patience, scouts can only conclude that in the NBA where everything is bigger, stronger, and faster, successful transition wouldn't be likely at this point.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
It's very very easy for people like us to overlook this. Most of these kids come from nothing, and have played their way out of the projects to get to a good D-1 program. He's not simply going to overlook a year of professional income to appease the prototypical SJU fan old-school middle aged guys from Queens. As much as we want him to.
He owes us nothing. And we should be proud at the prospect of putting one of our guys in the NBA. That is a big contribution in and of itself to our future recruiting.
I've said it on here once before, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, because you aren't doing it in your post, but it's cringeworthy when men come on here and serve up backhanded criticisms to start players in a weird effort to get them to stay at school, just completely weird to me. All of a sudden everyone who wants him to stay is a NBA scout and can pinpoint the weaknesses of his game. It's not fair and not right to the player. Let the kid eat.[/quote]
What does a year of non-NBA professional income actually look like? Lovett is making 60k in Serbia before agent fees, middlemen, and taxes. Is that better than room, board, and education + resume building in New York? I don’t think so.
I’ve never met an American that played abroad who wasn’t stiffed by his club overseas. Also, look at the tax rates in Europe. Not pretty.[/quote]
Interesting point.
He may feel he has nothing to prove, but a return to campus, and a better campaign personally and by the team could elevate his NBA draft status. Except for injury and loss of 1 year of income, playing in front of packed houses around the country in college isn't the worst thing either, at least to me.[/quote]
It's very very easy for people like us to overlook this. Most of these kids come from nothing, and have played their way out of the projects to get to a good D-1 program. He's not simply going to overlook a year of professional income to appease the prototypical SJU fan old-school middle aged guys from Queens. As much as we want him to.
He owes us nothing. And we should be proud at the prospect of putting one of our guys in the NBA. That is a big contribution in and of itself to our future recruiting.
I've said it on here once before, and I'm not pointing my finger at you, because you aren't doing it in your post, but it's cringeworthy when men come on here and serve up backhanded criticisms to start players in a weird effort to get them to stay at school, just completely weird to me. All of a sudden everyone who wants him to stay is a NBA scout and can pinpoint the weaknesses of his game. It's not fair and not right to the player. Let the kid eat.[/quote]
What does a year of non-NBA professional income actually look like? Lovett is making 60k in Serbia before agent fees, middlemen, and taxes. Is that better than room, board, and education + resume building in New York? I don’t think so.
I’ve never met an American that played abroad who wasn’t stiffed by his club overseas. Also, look at the tax rates in Europe. Not pretty.[/quote]
Interesting point.