Phil Greene

[paultzman]

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

 

[SJUalum98]

He should play and keep on shooting. He is finally playing off the ball where he should have always been.

There simply is no other threat from behind the arc.

To put the Cuse numbers in there is very misleading because that may be the best 6/16 shooting night you ever witness if you put it in the proper context.

I am not comfortable having Myles Stewart or Felix Balamou out there just to have them out there.

Let Phil play.

 

[SJU1512]

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

 

[paultzman]

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He should play and keep on shooting. He is finally playing off the ball where he should have always been.

There simply is no other threat from behind the arc.

To put the Cuse numbers in there is very misleading because that may be the best 6/16 shooting night you ever witness if you put it in the proper context.

I am not comfortable having Myles Stewart or Felix Balamou out there just to have them out there.

Let Phil play.

Perhaps he should use his minutes better & minimize off balance jumpers and wait for kick outs. As many have noted, he is a stand still jump shooter, not a great driver & seems to have abandoned his tear drop. In my opinion his shot selection must improve.

 

[newsman13]

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He should play and keep on shooting. He is finally playing off the ball where he should have always been.

There simply is no other threat from behind the arc.

To put the Cuse numbers in there is very misleading because that may be the best 6/16 shooting night you ever witness if you put it in the proper context.

I am not comfortable having Myles Stewart or Felix Balamou out there just to have them out there.

Let Phil play.

Perhaps he should use his minutes better & minimize off balance jumpers and wait for kick outs. As many have noted, he is a stand still jump shooter, not a great driver & seems to have abandoned his tear drop. In my opinion his shot selection must improve.

There are times he kills us...but who else is there?

 

[SJU1512]

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

Phil needs to be more selective and the staff must demand such from him. He is a streaky shooter, not a good shooter and there's a difference. Yet both the volume and quality of his shots are representative of a good shooter, and the spread between the amount/type of shots he is taking vs. what he should be taking is hurting us.

There were 2-3 instances today, as there are most games, where he caught the ball with a little space, but not open, and launched. That might be a good look for Kevin Durant, but it is not for Phil Greene.

Phil has been here for four years now and his shooting ability is what it is. He's never once shot over 40%, and 40% is not a good number; 297 teams in the country are shooting over that mark collectively. In addition Phil's 3 point shooting, which really surged last year, is back down to the high 20s/low 30s percentages it was his first two years. Again not close to effective numbers.

This problem has been a long time in the making with Lavin's treatment of Phil, but it hasn't mattered much because we haven't been very good. Now we are and we can little afford another 300+ attempt year from Phil at the percentages he's shooting.

Obviously Phil has to play and he should, but the efficiency has to be improved. The solution in my view is to manage him like all streaky scorers. When he's going good, let him go like a #1 type scorer. When he's not, he needs to be reeled in with timely substitutions and usage more like a role player. This, with better shot selection on his part, could turn Phil into a more consistently productive player for us. He has the ability and the desire, it just needs to be channeled.

 

[ipd200]

I like Phil Greene. There are probably 3 or 4 shots a game I wish he didn't take but I think he plays hard when he's on the court and doesn't turn the ball over. I think this board is hard on him.

This board loves Jordan but I would rather have PGIV on the floor, Jordan turns the ball over then doesn't hustle back on defense which drives me crazy. There's a reason Sina had a career day is because Jordan was guarding him

 

[JohnnyFan]

I like Phil Greene. There are probably 3 or 4 shots a game I wish he didn't take but I think he plays hard when he's on the court and doesn't turn the ball over. I think this board is hard on him.

This board loves Jordan but I would rather have PGIV on the floor, Jordan turns the ball over then doesn't hustle back on defense which drives me crazy. There's a reason Sina had a career day is because Jordan was guarding him

I too like Phil, but understand his shortcomings. Less is sometimes more with Phil. Also agree that Jordan plays some lazy defense.

 

[Marillac]

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

Phil needs to be more selective and the staff must demand such from him. He is a streaky shooter, not a good shooter and there's a difference. Yet both the volume and quality of his shots are representative of a good shooter, and the spread between the amount/type of shots he is taking vs. what he should be taking is hurting us.

There were 2-3 instances today, as there are most games, where he caught the ball with a little space, but not open, and launched. That might be a good look for Kevin Durant, but it is not for Phil Greene.

Phil has been here for four years now and his shooting ability is what it is. He's never once shot over 40%, and 40% is not a good number; 297 teams in the country are shooting over that mark collectively. In addition Phil's 3 point shooting, which really surged last year, is back down to the high 20s/low 30s percentages it was his first two years. Again not close to effective numbers.

This problem has been a long time in the making with Lavin's treatment of Phil, but it hasn't mattered much because we haven't been very good. Now we are and we can little afford another 300+ attempt year from Phil at the percentages he's shooting.

Obviously Phil has to play and he should, but the efficiency has to be improved. The solution in my view is to manage him like all streaky scorers. When he's going good, let him go like a #1 type scorer. When he's not, he needs to be reeled in with timely substitutions and usage more like a role player. This, with better shot selection on his part, could turn Phil into a more consistently productive player for us. He has the ability and the desire, it just needs to be channeled.

Completely agree. Greene is very good catching inside-out set shots and step-back in rhythm. When he's not set and not in rhythm, he is awful. He took too many off-balance jumpers today. That's not his game. With Phil,you know right away if the ball is going in.

This is where Jordan needs to be a better teammate. When he forces those jumpers or turns it over early, guys start to get itchy trigger fingers. That is what turned last year into every man for themselves. He needs to understand he is a beast taking the ball to the lane and doing that more will lead to more layups, fouls, and kick-outs to Greene and Harrison. When he tries to be Kobe he just makes everyone around him settle for bad shots instead of setting them up.

 

[SJU14]

I like Phil Greene. There are probably 3 or 4 shots a game I wish he didn't take but I think he plays hard when he's on the court and doesn't turn the ball over. I think this board is hard on him.

This board loves Jordan but I would rather have PGIV on the floor, Jordan turns the ball over then doesn't hustle back on defense which drives me crazy. There's a reason Sina had a career day is because Jordan was guarding him

Wow, haven't really heard that one before. The board loves Jordan? He gets ripped apart every game for each play he makes here. He could hit every shot he takes and people would still question what he does. I also wouldn't say that Sinas career day was because of Jordan's defense. Jordan is one of, if not the best on ball defender we have. Sina hit a couple prayers that he won't hit for the rest of the season. He was also covered by Branch for most of his time in, as Jordan covered Gibbs for most the game.

 

[paultzman]

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

Phil needs to be more selective and the staff must demand such from him. He is a streaky shooter, not a good shooter and there's a difference. Yet both the volume and quality of his shots are representative of a good shooter, and the spread between the amount/type of shots he is taking vs. what he should be taking is hurting us.

There were 2-3 instances today, as there are most games, where he caught the ball with a little space, but not open, and launched. That might be a good look for Kevin Durant, but it is not for Phil Greene.

Phil has been here for four years now and his shooting ability is what it is. He's never once shot over 40%, and 40% is not a good number; 297 teams in the country are shooting over that mark collectively. In addition Phil's 3 point shooting, which really surged last year, is back down to the high 20s/low 30s percentages it was his first two years. Again not close to effective numbers.

This problem has been a long time in the making with Lavin's treatment of Phil, but it hasn't mattered much because we haven't been very good. Now we are and we can little afford another 300+ attempt year from Phil at the percentages he's shooting.

Obviously Phil has to play and he should, but the efficiency has to be improved. The solution in my view is to manage him like all streaky scorers. When he's going good, let him go like a #1 type scorer. When he's not, he needs to be reeled in with timely substitutions and usage more like a role player. This, with better shot selection on his part, could turn Phil into a more consistently productive player for us. He has the ability and the desire, it just needs to be channeled.

Well said. Thanks!

 

[Section3]

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

No quarrel...just think we need to limit his role to spot up shooter who only releases when he has time to gather himself...

 

[Section3]

He should play and keep on shooting. He is finally playing off the ball where he should have always been.

There simply is no other threat from behind the arc.

To put the Cuse numbers in there is very misleading because that may be the best 6/16 shooting night you ever witness if you put it in the proper context.

I am not comfortable having Myles Stewart or Felix Balamou out there just to have them out there.

Let Phil play.

I had hope (not necessarily high hopes) for Balamou...but he hasn' produced on either side of the ball and seems to lack any confidence...frankly, would prefer to see Stewart

 

[Section3]

I like Phil Greene. There are probably 3 or 4 shots a game I wish he didn't take but I think he plays hard when he's on the court and doesn't turn the ball over. I think this board is hard on him.

This board loves Jordan but I would rather have PGIV on the floor, Jordan turns the ball over then doesn't hustle back on defense which drives me crazy. There's a reason Sina had a career day is because Jordan was guarding him

Greene's shot volume and low % are tantamount to turnovers...fact that he often takes them in bunches results in momentum swings in the wrong direction often putting us in a hole

 

[MarkRedman]

Phil has a good mid range jump shot
But his percentage seems to drop considerably when he ventures out to 3 point land
Yes, Phil has his warts but so does everyone other guy on this team
For example, Dom should never be allowed to lead a fast break
Rysheed is very careless with the ball and turns it over way too much for a PG, etc
Happy New Year fellow Redmen.comers
Thanks, Paul, for all that you do to make it possible for us to discuss SJU hoops

 

[fun]

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

Somebody has to take Sampson's shots. Addition by subtraction.

 

[fuchsia]

The discussion seems to accept a three guard offense as a given. I thought there were times yesterday where we might have had more success with CO and JDR clogging the middle and Dom going outside as a guard on defense and a constant slashing source of double screens and give and go cuts for DLo and Sheed on offense. If you establish that then other stuff works better as well.

 

[beast of the east]

I really like the ball movement this year, but to me at least there are too many short possessions with questionable shot selection. My concerns that I voiced continually during the offseason were mainly centered around a three guard offense where two of the three (Harrison and Greene) shoot less than 40% from the field. When that happens, it's difficult to offset the height disadvantage in most games with a better offensive flow and more dangerous outside shooters. We've compensated for this so far with an aggressive, tireless, swarming defense which has made a huge difference in outcomes. The ball is moving much better on offense, but even accepting all valid criticisms here of Greene's shot selection, I just don't see him changing at this point.

 

[beast of the east]

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

Somebody has to take Sampson's shots. Addition by subtraction.

Purely on stats, which are deceptive, it's hard to remove a 50% FG shooter and distribute his offensive load to sub 40% shooters. It's too bad that the offense the last two seasons never looked cohesive for long stretches. I'm with you, though - I think Sampson had the potential to evolve to a very dangerous player here, and his absence creates a void on offense

 

[fun]

Purely on stats, which are deceptive, it's hard to remove a 50% FG shooter and distribute his offensive load to sub 40% shooters. It's too bad that the offense the last two seasons never looked cohesive for long stretches. I'm with you, though - I think Sampson had the potential to evolve to a very dangerous player here, and his absence creates a void on offense

Last year PG took 12 percent of total FGA and shot 40 percent.

This year PG takes 21 percent of total FGA and shoots 38 percent.

By way of contrast last year alleged black hole Jakarr Sampson took 19 percent of total FGA and made 50 percent.

Maybe Greene is showcasing himself for the D League.