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[quote="41ndone" post=378869]Was that a Hardvard sociology professor?[/quote]
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...482794-officials-say-the-cdc-is-preparing-for
Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch told The Wall Street Journal that "it's likely we'll see a global pandemic" of coronavirus, with 40 to 70 percent of the world's population likely to be infected this year.
"What proportion of those will be symptomatic, I can't give a good number," added Lipsitch, who is the Director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...482794-officials-say-the-cdc-is-preparing-for
Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch told The Wall Street Journal that "it's likely we'll see a global pandemic" of coronavirus, with 40 to 70 percent of the world's population likely to be infected this year.
"What proportion of those will be symptomatic, I can't give a good number," added Lipsitch, who is the Director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
[quote="41ndone" post=378882]Thank you. Scary if it turns out to be true.
I was thinking of putting a few dollars into the stock market to buy on the bounce. After reading that article I'm hesitant . Any thoughts??[/quote]
Yes, one. Don't hunt for investment advice on an internet chat board...
I was thinking of putting a few dollars into the stock market to buy on the bounce. After reading that article I'm hesitant . Any thoughts??[/quote]
Yes, one. Don't hunt for investment advice on an internet chat board...
And it grets more scarier.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...ncy-face-masks-brazil-south-korea/4878620002/[/URL]
Some from that article
SAN FRANCISCO — Even as President Donald Trump sought to reassure the public that the risk of coronavirus in the U.S. remains low, ominous news emerged that could heighten the level of concern.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday confirmed an infection in California that would represent the first U.S. person to contract the virus despite not visiting a foreign country recently or coming in contact with an infected patient.
"At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown,'' the CDC said in a statement. "It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States. Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.''
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...ncy-face-masks-brazil-south-korea/4878620002/[/URL]
Some from that article
SAN FRANCISCO — Even as President Donald Trump sought to reassure the public that the risk of coronavirus in the U.S. remains low, ominous news emerged that could heighten the level of concern.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday confirmed an infection in California that would represent the first U.S. person to contract the virus despite not visiting a foreign country recently or coming in contact with an infected patient.
"At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown,'' the CDC said in a statement. "It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States. Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.''
I don't want to keep posting about Corona virus, but I think this should be seen.
https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/news/over-80-under-quarantine-for-possible-coronavirus-in-nassau
Over 80 People Under Quarantine For Possible Coronavirus In Nassau
MINEOLA, N.Y. (WCBS 880) — Nassau County health officials are warning residents to remain vigilant as over 80 people remain under voluntary quarantine for possible coronavirus exposure.
The county’s Department of Health Commissioner Dr. Lawrence Eisenstein says 175 residents have had some sort of voluntary isolation from the public, family and friends after traveling to China.
Though there have not been any confirmed cases in the county, or the rest of New York, there are 83 people still under isolation. They must remain under quarantine for 14 days to prevent the possible spread of coronavirus, should they be infected.
“We check in with them every day for their temperature. They’re in communication with us, we’re in communication with them,” Dr. Eisenstein said.
Six people exhibited possible symptoms of the coronavirus – including coughing and a fever. They have all been checked and so far, five Long Islanders have been cleared.
The health department is still awaiting the results of the sixth person.
“We discuss with them the importance of them voluntarily complying with removing themselves from contact with other people, and all of them, to this point, have understood,” the health commissioner said.
All of the hospitals in Nassau County have isolation rooms and while there have not been any mandatory quarantines, Dr. Eisenstein says they are prepared to contain any possible outbreak in New York.
“If somebody were not compliant, we would take next steps. We are prepared for all circumstances,” he says.
The news comes on the same day that President Donald Trump appointed Vice President Mike Pence to oversee the federal government's response to coronavirus.
A day after saying that the situation is "very well under control in our country,'' the president on Wednesday further tried to minimize fears of the virus spreading in the U.S. But, added that he was ready to spend “whatever’s appropriate” to stop an outbreak.
Over 80,000 people have been infected globally from the viral outbreak that began in Wuhan, China and more than 2,700 people have died.
With outbreaks reported in Italy, South Korea and Iran, officials from the CDC said Tuesday that it is inevitable that the coronavirus will spread more widely in America, where the total number of cases is at 60. On Wednesday, the first coronavirus case of unknown origin was confirmed in Northern California, a sign that the virus may already spreading in a U.S. community.
“It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen — and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” said Dr. Nancy Messonnier of the CDC.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), told WCBS 880 that the coronavirus is likely to become a global pandemic if containment measures aren’t improved.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday that he believes it's "highly probable" that coronavirus will spread to New York.
“It is highly probable that you’ll see a continuing spread of this virus. It’s highly probable that we will have people in New York State who test positive,” he said during a press conference.
He adds that the large amount of tourists that flock to the state and New York City every day puts our area at great risk and the state's Department of Health will work with area airports to make sure employees are properly trained and have access to cleaning and protective equipment.
“New York is the front door, internationally. We have people traveling here from all across the world. You see how it’s spreading and affecting different countries – Italy recently – but that will continue. Again, I think it’s highly probable and no one should be surprised when we have positive cases in New York,” Cuomo said.
The governor also plans to ask for several million dollars to assist the health department for when the virus ultimately comes to the state.
“We’ll be sending an emergency supplemental appropriations bill up next week to the Legislature, asking for an additional $40 million as an emergency supplemental appropriation for the Department of Health," Cuomo said.
The money would go to hiring additional staff, procuring equipment and any other resources necessary to respond to the potential novel coronavirus pandemic.
Cuomo will also propose legislation to grant authority to Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker to ensure local health departments and public and private hospitals statewide take certain actions and measures as needed.
The governor is also calling on the federal government to authorize the Wadsworth Center and NYC Public Health Lab to test for the virus.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said no one should take the coronavirus situation lightly, but stresses there is no cause for panic.
"New Yorkers I have often said do not scare easily, do not get intimidated, do not panic," de Blasio said. "New Yorkers are very, very consistent. They're tough, they're resolute, they help each other, they know how to deal with pretty much anything so I'm going to ask everyone who's listening to me right now — this is not the time to sow panic, this is the time to share information and help people. This can be dealt with, the places that have had the problem are the places that did not deal with reality; tat were not honest and open; that did not help people understand what to do; that did not make help available easily. We're doing the exact opposite here in New York City."
While there have been no confirmed cases of coronavirus in the city, de Blasio said all elements of the city government are in a state of high vigilance.
The city has 1,200 hospital beds that can be made available immediately, should the need arise, and public health officials have already distributed 1.5 million masks across the city. Requests are out for another 300,000 surgical masks.
He is also calling on the CDC to work with local laboratories to expedite testings and is also urging the agency to expand its testing protocol upon entry to any traveler returning from Hong Kong, Iran, Italy, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand.
The mayor said the current protocol is too narrowly focused on travelers returning from China.
Meanwhile, Syracuse University has announced it will be suspending its study abroad program in Italy due to the spread of the virus.
School officials say 342 students currently studying in Florence will be returning to the United States after spring break in March.
https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/news/over-80-under-quarantine-for-possible-coronavirus-in-nassau
Over 80 People Under Quarantine For Possible Coronavirus In Nassau
MINEOLA, N.Y. (WCBS 880) — Nassau County health officials are warning residents to remain vigilant as over 80 people remain under voluntary quarantine for possible coronavirus exposure.
The county’s Department of Health Commissioner Dr. Lawrence Eisenstein says 175 residents have had some sort of voluntary isolation from the public, family and friends after traveling to China.
Though there have not been any confirmed cases in the county, or the rest of New York, there are 83 people still under isolation. They must remain under quarantine for 14 days to prevent the possible spread of coronavirus, should they be infected.
“We check in with them every day for their temperature. They’re in communication with us, we’re in communication with them,” Dr. Eisenstein said.
Six people exhibited possible symptoms of the coronavirus – including coughing and a fever. They have all been checked and so far, five Long Islanders have been cleared.
The health department is still awaiting the results of the sixth person.
“We discuss with them the importance of them voluntarily complying with removing themselves from contact with other people, and all of them, to this point, have understood,” the health commissioner said.
All of the hospitals in Nassau County have isolation rooms and while there have not been any mandatory quarantines, Dr. Eisenstein says they are prepared to contain any possible outbreak in New York.
“If somebody were not compliant, we would take next steps. We are prepared for all circumstances,” he says.
The news comes on the same day that President Donald Trump appointed Vice President Mike Pence to oversee the federal government's response to coronavirus.
A day after saying that the situation is "very well under control in our country,'' the president on Wednesday further tried to minimize fears of the virus spreading in the U.S. But, added that he was ready to spend “whatever’s appropriate” to stop an outbreak.
Over 80,000 people have been infected globally from the viral outbreak that began in Wuhan, China and more than 2,700 people have died.
With outbreaks reported in Italy, South Korea and Iran, officials from the CDC said Tuesday that it is inevitable that the coronavirus will spread more widely in America, where the total number of cases is at 60. On Wednesday, the first coronavirus case of unknown origin was confirmed in Northern California, a sign that the virus may already spreading in a U.S. community.
“It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen — and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” said Dr. Nancy Messonnier of the CDC.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), told WCBS 880 that the coronavirus is likely to become a global pandemic if containment measures aren’t improved.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday that he believes it's "highly probable" that coronavirus will spread to New York.
“It is highly probable that you’ll see a continuing spread of this virus. It’s highly probable that we will have people in New York State who test positive,” he said during a press conference.
He adds that the large amount of tourists that flock to the state and New York City every day puts our area at great risk and the state's Department of Health will work with area airports to make sure employees are properly trained and have access to cleaning and protective equipment.
“New York is the front door, internationally. We have people traveling here from all across the world. You see how it’s spreading and affecting different countries – Italy recently – but that will continue. Again, I think it’s highly probable and no one should be surprised when we have positive cases in New York,” Cuomo said.
The governor also plans to ask for several million dollars to assist the health department for when the virus ultimately comes to the state.
“We’ll be sending an emergency supplemental appropriations bill up next week to the Legislature, asking for an additional $40 million as an emergency supplemental appropriation for the Department of Health," Cuomo said.
The money would go to hiring additional staff, procuring equipment and any other resources necessary to respond to the potential novel coronavirus pandemic.
Cuomo will also propose legislation to grant authority to Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker to ensure local health departments and public and private hospitals statewide take certain actions and measures as needed.
The governor is also calling on the federal government to authorize the Wadsworth Center and NYC Public Health Lab to test for the virus.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said no one should take the coronavirus situation lightly, but stresses there is no cause for panic.
"New Yorkers I have often said do not scare easily, do not get intimidated, do not panic," de Blasio said. "New Yorkers are very, very consistent. They're tough, they're resolute, they help each other, they know how to deal with pretty much anything so I'm going to ask everyone who's listening to me right now — this is not the time to sow panic, this is the time to share information and help people. This can be dealt with, the places that have had the problem are the places that did not deal with reality; tat were not honest and open; that did not help people understand what to do; that did not make help available easily. We're doing the exact opposite here in New York City."
While there have been no confirmed cases of coronavirus in the city, de Blasio said all elements of the city government are in a state of high vigilance.
The city has 1,200 hospital beds that can be made available immediately, should the need arise, and public health officials have already distributed 1.5 million masks across the city. Requests are out for another 300,000 surgical masks.
He is also calling on the CDC to work with local laboratories to expedite testings and is also urging the agency to expand its testing protocol upon entry to any traveler returning from Hong Kong, Iran, Italy, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand.
The mayor said the current protocol is too narrowly focused on travelers returning from China.
Meanwhile, Syracuse University has announced it will be suspending its study abroad program in Italy due to the spread of the virus.
School officials say 342 students currently studying in Florence will be returning to the United States after spring break in March.
[quote="41ndone" post=378906]True, just hoping there are some wall street types on here who might enlighten me. But I hear what you are saying.
I figure long term you don't loose.[/quote] To be completely honest it'a impossible for any of us to predict. Will it end up like Sars ?
What's weird about this one is you would think healthcare would bounce. I was saying this on tuesday to people I think it's not just Corona I think it had to do with Bernie margin in Nevada. Gundlach just said the same thing today in an interview and he pointed to stocks like United Healthcare getting smoked
Tomorrow and especially monday will be interesting
I figure long term you don't loose.[/quote] To be completely honest it'a impossible for any of us to predict. Will it end up like Sars ?
What's weird about this one is you would think healthcare would bounce. I was saying this on tuesday to people I think it's not just Corona I think it had to do with Bernie margin in Nevada. Gundlach just said the same thing today in an interview and he pointed to stocks like United Healthcare getting smoked
Tomorrow and especially monday will be interesting
[quote="Hatten #1" post=378918]And it grets more scarier.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...ncy-face-masks-brazil-south-korea/4878620002/[/URL]
Some from that article
SAN FRANCISCO — Even as President Donald Trump sought to reassure the public that the risk of coronavirus in the U.S. remains low, ominous news emerged that could heighten the level of concern.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday confirmed an infection in California that would represent the first U.S. person to contract the virus despite not visiting a foreign country recently or coming in contact with an infected patient.
"At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown,'' the CDC said in a statement. "It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States. Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.''[/quote] bringing internet virus to new meaning
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...ncy-face-masks-brazil-south-korea/4878620002/[/URL]
Some from that article
SAN FRANCISCO — Even as President Donald Trump sought to reassure the public that the risk of coronavirus in the U.S. remains low, ominous news emerged that could heighten the level of concern.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday confirmed an infection in California that would represent the first U.S. person to contract the virus despite not visiting a foreign country recently or coming in contact with an infected patient.
"At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown,'' the CDC said in a statement. "It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States. Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.''[/quote] bringing internet virus to new meaning
[quote="Logen" post=379116]It is estimated that upwards of 30,000 people die in the US alone annually from the flu. Estimates are in the hundreds of thousands world-wide. I am not seeking to discount the potential seriousness, just trying to offer a bit of perspective.[/quote]
As long as you are not saying that you are more likely to die of the flu. Millions of people get the flu but the morality rate is so low it's almost insignificant, unless you're the one dying. Covid-19 is still running aroung a 2-3% mortality rate. If there were ever as many folks getting Covid as influenza you would be piling bodies behind the hospital. The key is to reduce the incidence of contamination and transmission.
As long as you are not saying that you are more likely to die of the flu. Millions of people get the flu but the morality rate is so low it's almost insignificant, unless you're the one dying. Covid-19 is still running aroung a 2-3% mortality rate. If there were ever as many folks getting Covid as influenza you would be piling bodies behind the hospital. The key is to reduce the incidence of contamination and transmission.
[quote="Logen" post=379116]It is estimated that upwards of 30,000 people die in the US alone annually from the flu. Estimates are in the hundreds of thousands world-wide. I am not seeking to discount the potential seriousness, just trying to offer a bit of perspective.[/quote]
That's correct. That turns about to be 0.001% of people that get infected. So let's put that into perspective
[URL]https://www.nydailynews.com/ne...0229-ljovjday4nf4pku2jpog4crzvm-story.html#nt[/URL]=oft-Triple%20Chain~Recommender~~content_id-duplicate-duplicate~~1~yes-art~automated~automatedpage
According to the Daily News, 83,000+ cases worldwide that we know about, 2800+ deaths. That's 0.034% of known cases ending up dead.
+ We don't know how it spreads. But it seems to spread easily so far.
+ We don't have a vaccine for it
+ We don't even have accurate data from its source of origin: China.
Fact is that we don't know what we don't know yet, but if the same number of people in this country catch this as catch the flu, then the math gets pretty scary pretty fast.
1 in 1000 dies from the flu. 30,000 deaths a year. 30,000 x 1,000 = 30 million flu cases a year.
3.4 people die for every 100 infected with the Corona-virus (per daily news). 30 Million Corona-virus cases in this country would result in 1,020,000 deaths if those stats hold. That ratio could go down, but it's trending up. A week ago it was being reported as being between 2% and 3%.
I think we are well past the point of people being able to ignore this and the threat it represents.
I know we are MILES past the point we should still be using the flu as a reason not to be concerned.
That's correct. That turns about to be 0.001% of people that get infected. So let's put that into perspective
[URL]https://www.nydailynews.com/ne...0229-ljovjday4nf4pku2jpog4crzvm-story.html#nt[/URL]=oft-Triple%20Chain~Recommender~~content_id-duplicate-duplicate~~1~yes-art~automated~automatedpage
According to the Daily News, 83,000+ cases worldwide that we know about, 2800+ deaths. That's 0.034% of known cases ending up dead.
+ We don't know how it spreads. But it seems to spread easily so far.
+ We don't have a vaccine for it
+ We don't even have accurate data from its source of origin: China.
Fact is that we don't know what we don't know yet, but if the same number of people in this country catch this as catch the flu, then the math gets pretty scary pretty fast.
1 in 1000 dies from the flu. 30,000 deaths a year. 30,000 x 1,000 = 30 million flu cases a year.
3.4 people die for every 100 infected with the Corona-virus (per daily news). 30 Million Corona-virus cases in this country would result in 1,020,000 deaths if those stats hold. That ratio could go down, but it's trending up. A week ago it was being reported as being between 2% and 3%.
I think we are well past the point of people being able to ignore this and the threat it represents.
I know we are MILES past the point we should still be using the flu as a reason not to be concerned.
There are also still 7,500 of the 86,991 still in serious or critical condition.
If you want to keep tracking stats this site is pretty comprehensive.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]
If you want to keep tracking stats this site is pretty comprehensive.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]
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[quote="austour" post=379198][quote="Logen" post=379116]It is estimated that upwards of 30,000 people die in the US alone annually from the flu. Estimates are in the hundreds of thousands world-wide. I am not seeking to discount the potential seriousness, just trying to offer a bit of perspective.[/quote]
As long as you are not saying that you are more likely to die of the flu. Millions of people get the flu but the morality rate is so low it's almost insignificant, unless you're the one dying. Covid-19 is still running aroung a 2-3% mortality rate. If there were ever as many folks getting Covid as influenza you would be piling bodies behind the hospital. The key is to reduce the incidence of contamination and transmission.[/quote]
I agree! The morality rate in this country has reached an all time low.
As long as you are not saying that you are more likely to die of the flu. Millions of people get the flu but the morality rate is so low it's almost insignificant, unless you're the one dying. Covid-19 is still running aroung a 2-3% mortality rate. If there were ever as many folks getting Covid as influenza you would be piling bodies behind the hospital. The key is to reduce the incidence of contamination and transmission.[/quote]
I agree! The morality rate in this country has reached an all time low.
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[quote="SJUFAN2" post=379210][quote="Logen" post=379116]It is estimated that upwards of 30,000 people die in the US alone annually from the flu. Estimates are in the hundreds of thousands world-wide. I am not seeking to discount the potential seriousness, just trying to offer a bit of perspective.[/quote]
That's correct. That turns about to be 0.001% of people that get infected. So let's put that into perspective
[URL]https://www.nydailynews.com/ne...0229-ljovjday4nf4pku2jpog4crzvm-story.html#nt[/URL]=oft-Triple%20Chain~Recommender~~content_id-duplicate-duplicate~~1~yes-art~automated~automatedpage
According to the Daily News, 83,000+ cases worldwide that we know about, 2800+ deaths. That's 0.034% of known cases ending up dead.
+ We don't know how it spreads. But it seems to spread easily so far.
+ We don't have a vaccine for it
+ We don't even have accurate data from its source of origin: China.
Fact is that we don't know what we don't know yet, but if the same number of people in this country catch this as catch the flu, then the math gets pretty scary pretty fast.
1 in 1000 dies from the flu. 30,000 deaths a year. 30,000 x 1,000 = 30 million flu cases a year.
3.4 people die for every 100 infected with the Corona-virus (per daily news). 30 Million Corona-virus cases in this country would result in 1,020,000 deaths if those stats hold. That ratio could go down, but it's trending up. A week ago it was being reported as being between 2% and 3%.
I think we are well past the point of people being able to ignore this and the threat it represents.
I know we are MILES past the point we should still be using the flu as a reason not to be concerned.[/quote]
One could extrapolate anything from broad speculation. However, never have I seen such restrictive measures taken by countries to contain the spread of this virus. China has literally quarantined cities larger than New York and workers in Italy have been forced to work from home in many cases. All American students have been repatriated. Does that sound like people are not concerned? What is disturbing is how many politicians have weaponized this potential calamity in order to tarnish our President while at the same time demanding open borders to undocumented people. The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling.
AT PRESENT, I am more concerned that my elderly relatives can catch the flu than the Corona virus because there are millions of carriers rather than a few hundred isolated people. Another fun fact is that the vast majority of the cases of illness and death are in China or people who returned from China as is the case in Italy.
So, I am not sure what governments are ignoring this issue as you imply but 99.99% of the American general population has not had any contact with carriers so wild speculation with extrapolated numbers looks great on CNN but I'm sure most people will use appropriate measures to stay safe and lead their normal lives.
That's correct. That turns about to be 0.001% of people that get infected. So let's put that into perspective
[URL]https://www.nydailynews.com/ne...0229-ljovjday4nf4pku2jpog4crzvm-story.html#nt[/URL]=oft-Triple%20Chain~Recommender~~content_id-duplicate-duplicate~~1~yes-art~automated~automatedpage
According to the Daily News, 83,000+ cases worldwide that we know about, 2800+ deaths. That's 0.034% of known cases ending up dead.
+ We don't know how it spreads. But it seems to spread easily so far.
+ We don't have a vaccine for it
+ We don't even have accurate data from its source of origin: China.
Fact is that we don't know what we don't know yet, but if the same number of people in this country catch this as catch the flu, then the math gets pretty scary pretty fast.
1 in 1000 dies from the flu. 30,000 deaths a year. 30,000 x 1,000 = 30 million flu cases a year.
3.4 people die for every 100 infected with the Corona-virus (per daily news). 30 Million Corona-virus cases in this country would result in 1,020,000 deaths if those stats hold. That ratio could go down, but it's trending up. A week ago it was being reported as being between 2% and 3%.
I think we are well past the point of people being able to ignore this and the threat it represents.
I know we are MILES past the point we should still be using the flu as a reason not to be concerned.[/quote]
One could extrapolate anything from broad speculation. However, never have I seen such restrictive measures taken by countries to contain the spread of this virus. China has literally quarantined cities larger than New York and workers in Italy have been forced to work from home in many cases. All American students have been repatriated. Does that sound like people are not concerned? What is disturbing is how many politicians have weaponized this potential calamity in order to tarnish our President while at the same time demanding open borders to undocumented people. The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling.
AT PRESENT, I am more concerned that my elderly relatives can catch the flu than the Corona virus because there are millions of carriers rather than a few hundred isolated people. Another fun fact is that the vast majority of the cases of illness and death are in China or people who returned from China as is the case in Italy.
So, I am not sure what governments are ignoring this issue as you imply but 99.99% of the American general population has not had any contact with carriers so wild speculation with extrapolated numbers looks great on CNN but I'm sure most people will use appropriate measures to stay safe and lead their normal lives.
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Wash your hands
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] One could extrapolate anything from broad speculation.[/quote]Except this isn't speculation...its DATA. Simply put, current data shows this virus is 25-35 times more fatal than the flu. It seems to be VERY easy to transmit. Hadn't you heard? China has quarantined entire cities.
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] However, never have I seen such restrictive measures taken by countries to contain the spread of this virus. China has literally quarantined cities larger than New York and workers in Italy have been forced to work from home in many cases. All American students have been repatriated. Does that sound like people are not concerned? [/quote] And yet, silly people on internet chat boards are more concerned about the flu. When was the last time China quarantined cities for the flu?
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] What is disturbing is how many politicians have weaponized this potential calamity in order to tarnish our President while at the same time demanding open borders to undocumented people. [/quote]All of us on this thread were working hard to avoid making this political (myself included). But since you had to go there:
Horseshit. Nobody is for "open borders and undocumented people." You need to stop watching Faux News. This isn't going to spread from a few avocado farmers hoping the fence in Nogales. This is moving from country to country in business class on American Airlines.
And as for Agent Orange here's the BS he and his administration have been pushing out this week on the virus:
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/factchecking-trumps-coronavirus-press-conference/[/URL]]Administration Comments on COVID-19[/url]
Add to that the facts that he and the right wing gaslighting machine are now calling this a democratic hoax, and the guy he's put in charge of this potential disaster is an anti-science religious fundamentalist, and you have to ask yourself: What could possibly go right?
You Trump guys do realize that a virus doesn't care about your political party, right? This is about life and death. Being underprepared in these circumstances is criminal and politicizing a possible pandemic is grotesque.
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling.[/quote] It's actually staggering, but not in the way you meant.
Trump's budget proposal last month called for a 9% cut in funding to the CDC. Despite all this unfolding in China at the time over the last 4+ months. You just can't make this stuff up.
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] AT PRESENT, I am more concerned that my elderly relatives can catch the flu than the Corona virus because there are millions of carriers rather than a few hundred isolated people. Another fun fact is that the vast majority of the cases of illness and death are in China or people who returned from China as is the case in Italy.[/quote]Fun fact...the vast majority of victims of a pandemic aren't from the country of origin for the disease.
"AT PRESENT", you are more concerned about the flu when it comes to your elderly family members. What's it going to take to move the needle on that for you? Just curious to know if you've completely shoved your head in the sand for good, or if you are checking around now and again for more information.
See, we know how to deal with the flu. We have vaccines, and treatments that keep the fatality rate low and can help slow the spread of the flu, and yet we still have 30,000,000 cases of it in the US every year. How do we slow down the spread of something we know little about?
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] So, I am not sure what governments are ignoring this issue as you imply but 99.99% of the American general population has not had any contact with carriers so wild speculation with extrapolated numbers looks great on CNN...[/quote] I didn't imply that gov'ts were ignoring this or that they weren't concerned. To suggest that I was is horsecrap.
I was STATING that people (like you) need to start being MORE concerned about this then they are about the flu, and that we are way past the point that ANYONE should be implying, stating, inferring that the flu is a bigger or similar threat. Its NOT.
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] but I'm sure most people will use appropriate measures to stay safe and lead their normal lives. [/quote]
What measures are those exactly? I want to make sure I'm safe.
Seriously? You are "sure that people will take appropriate measures to stay safe and lead normal lives"? Based on WHAT? People go to work sick and send their flu ridden kids to school EVERY day in this country because they have no other option, they have to work and pay the bills. That's why the flu spreads every year. And that is with a virus where we know the incubation period, we know how long people are contagious, and still it spreads.
We don't know any of those things about the COVID-19 virus yet, other than its far more fatal than the flu so far, and your response is that "I'm sure" everything will be just fine ?!?!?!
I sincerely do HOPE that you end up being right and this ends up being much ado about nothing. But HOPE is not a strategy. We should be preparing for a worst case scenario, and acting accordingly at this point.
He's a refresher on what a particularly virulent strain of FLU did to the planet just 100 years ago, when we knew next to nothing about it or how to fight it:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html[/URL]
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] However, never have I seen such restrictive measures taken by countries to contain the spread of this virus. China has literally quarantined cities larger than New York and workers in Italy have been forced to work from home in many cases. All American students have been repatriated. Does that sound like people are not concerned? [/quote] And yet, silly people on internet chat boards are more concerned about the flu. When was the last time China quarantined cities for the flu?
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] What is disturbing is how many politicians have weaponized this potential calamity in order to tarnish our President while at the same time demanding open borders to undocumented people. [/quote]All of us on this thread were working hard to avoid making this political (myself included). But since you had to go there:
Horseshit. Nobody is for "open borders and undocumented people." You need to stop watching Faux News. This isn't going to spread from a few avocado farmers hoping the fence in Nogales. This is moving from country to country in business class on American Airlines.
And as for Agent Orange here's the BS he and his administration have been pushing out this week on the virus:
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/factchecking-trumps-coronavirus-press-conference/[/URL]]Administration Comments on COVID-19[/url]
Add to that the facts that he and the right wing gaslighting machine are now calling this a democratic hoax, and the guy he's put in charge of this potential disaster is an anti-science religious fundamentalist, and you have to ask yourself: What could possibly go right?
You Trump guys do realize that a virus doesn't care about your political party, right? This is about life and death. Being underprepared in these circumstances is criminal and politicizing a possible pandemic is grotesque.
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling.[/quote] It's actually staggering, but not in the way you meant.
Trump's budget proposal last month called for a 9% cut in funding to the CDC. Despite all this unfolding in China at the time over the last 4+ months. You just can't make this stuff up.
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] AT PRESENT, I am more concerned that my elderly relatives can catch the flu than the Corona virus because there are millions of carriers rather than a few hundred isolated people. Another fun fact is that the vast majority of the cases of illness and death are in China or people who returned from China as is the case in Italy.[/quote]Fun fact...the vast majority of victims of a pandemic aren't from the country of origin for the disease.
"AT PRESENT", you are more concerned about the flu when it comes to your elderly family members. What's it going to take to move the needle on that for you? Just curious to know if you've completely shoved your head in the sand for good, or if you are checking around now and again for more information.
See, we know how to deal with the flu. We have vaccines, and treatments that keep the fatality rate low and can help slow the spread of the flu, and yet we still have 30,000,000 cases of it in the US every year. How do we slow down the spread of something we know little about?
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] So, I am not sure what governments are ignoring this issue as you imply but 99.99% of the American general population has not had any contact with carriers so wild speculation with extrapolated numbers looks great on CNN...[/quote] I didn't imply that gov'ts were ignoring this or that they weren't concerned. To suggest that I was is horsecrap.
I was STATING that people (like you) need to start being MORE concerned about this then they are about the flu, and that we are way past the point that ANYONE should be implying, stating, inferring that the flu is a bigger or similar threat. Its NOT.
[quote="Class of 72" post=379232] but I'm sure most people will use appropriate measures to stay safe and lead their normal lives. [/quote]
What measures are those exactly? I want to make sure I'm safe.
Seriously? You are "sure that people will take appropriate measures to stay safe and lead normal lives"? Based on WHAT? People go to work sick and send their flu ridden kids to school EVERY day in this country because they have no other option, they have to work and pay the bills. That's why the flu spreads every year. And that is with a virus where we know the incubation period, we know how long people are contagious, and still it spreads.
We don't know any of those things about the COVID-19 virus yet, other than its far more fatal than the flu so far, and your response is that "I'm sure" everything will be just fine ?!?!?!
I sincerely do HOPE that you end up being right and this ends up being much ado about nothing. But HOPE is not a strategy. We should be preparing for a worst case scenario, and acting accordingly at this point.
He's a refresher on what a particularly virulent strain of FLU did to the planet just 100 years ago, when we knew next to nothing about it or how to fight it:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html[/URL]
Please keep this politics-free. Beast and I disagree on much stuff but I enjoy his company and our private discussions. The greater the emotionality on this topic, the less the fact-based learning, which I believe is what we need in anticipation of some rough road ahead.
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