Offensive Rebounding

[quote="Paul Massell" post=322695][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=322692][quote="Paul Massell" post=322687]Lavin actually said that rebounding was over emphasized when he was coach. This is actually a pervasive strategy now in the NBA now that goes along with the "small ball" mentality and a lot of NBA teams don't play their bigs regularly or have smaller guys like Draymond Green doing the traditional work that was the two roles of the 4 and 5/ center and power forward and guys who are 5's are now three point shooters. This is not about Mullin being clueless or stubborn. He is following a strategy that the top franchises, coaches in the NBA and increasingly coaches in the NCAA are following. Like it or not, he is ahead of the curve on this.[/quote]. agree PM but, most of our BE opponents seem to feel differently and do convert quite a few more Offrnsive Rebounds into baskets than we do .. And , since most of our Games are Razor close , not picking up 4-6 points here and there can be the difference in winning and losing . Also too, in those close games , we tend to bomb away from 3 point range , miss and not even try to get a put back . It gives opponents to go from a 2-4 lead to 6-8 and it’s at that point we have no chance to win . Last night Case in point . We almost blew a game we had wrapped up earlier in OT .[/quote]

I'd like to see some happy medium and perhaps that is why we see Fig and Heron following their shot some where other players don't or perhaps they are doing that against the overall strategy. I don't know but I don't love it either. I'm just saying that there is a strategy here and it is not because Mullin is clueless as some try to make him out. He is ahead of the curve in college basketball and if the NCAA is going to follow the NBA this is the future.[/quote]

Mully may be ahead of the curve trend wise but he is way behind the curve in many other ways.
To be successful with that system you need reliable outside shooters. You also need the level of depth that NBA and blue blood programs have to keep your stars fresh. You need coaches that coach to their player's strengths.
There's no team in the Big East that has emphasized the minimal effort in offensive rebounding that this staff has....none.
That statistic is evident in most of our games. The disparity in the Providence game was typical.
Get the right players and that strategy is great. Will we have the players with the skill sets next year to play 5 out?
 
[quote="Knight" post=322699]So what is the called? Shoot and retreat or Chuck and run.[/quote]

The Shootreat system !! I like the way it sounds :)
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=322703]
Mully may be ahead of the curve trend wise but he is way behind the curve in many other ways.
To be successful with that system you need reliable outside shooters. You also need the level of depth that NBA and blue blood programs have to keep your stars fresh. You need coaches that coach to their player's strengths.
There's no team in the Big East that has emphasized the minimal effort in offensive rebounding that this staff has....none.
That statistic is evident in most of our games. The disparity in the Providence game was typical.
Get the right players and that strategy is great. Will we have the players with the skill sets next year to play 5 out?[/quote]

yes it is evident. that is what we are talking about. you say "the minimal effort in offensive rebounding" but what is being said here is that the highest paid basketball experts in the world who set the standard for the world of basketball, literally, are saying that it is not "the minimal effort in offensive rebounding" but rather emphasis upon transition defense even if that means, offensive rebounds are not a priority. Or as the sage Steve Lavin said, rebounds aren't important... (paraphrase...)

If you look at it objectively you could also see that while the offensive rebounds have suffered, the defensive numbers have improved significantly and are are even near the top of the league where just the opposite was true two seasons back.
 
Watching five guys run away after a shot, or zero players on the foul line for a foul shot, goes against everything we have seen all of our lives, including me. It's hard to fathom, and when you think about it two competing truths are involved.

1. There is only one ball and if you have it good things can happen and nothing very bad
2. There is no offense designed better than a three on one, two on one, etc.

By using the SJU approach you are freely giving more overall possessions of the ball, and the thinking is that with a five versus five defense at (mostly) all times you can drive possesion efficiciency rates down at a higher rate than the extra possessions allowed. Perhaps what makes this so hard to actually watch is the normal human reaction to have concern when the opponent has the ball more than SJU since nothing good can happen!

One thing for sure is that when the other team gets four offensive rebounds, that is NOT by staff design. We send five to the defensive glass quite a bit.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=322687]Lavin actually said that rebounding was over emphasized when he was coach. This is actually a pervasive strategy now in the NBA now that goes along with the "small ball" mentality and a lot of NBA teams don't play their bigs regularly or have smaller guys like Draymond Green doing the traditional work that was the two roles of the 4 and 5/ center and power forward and guys who are 5's are now three point shooters. This is not about Mullin being clueless or stubborn. He is following a strategy that the top franchises, coaches in the NBA and increasingly coaches in the NCAA are following. Like it or not, he is ahead of the curve on this.[/quote]

There has always been a difference between the college and NBA games. The NBA protects offensive players much more (absurd zero-step, zone was illegal for years, and ticky-tack fouls called, etc.).

NBA players are far more skilled and make a higher % of shots. There are almost no bad or clueless player as well unlike even the best college teams.

They also box out more consistently and have an ability to kill you on the other end off any miss.

On top of all that the NBA regular season is almost deemphasized in recent years. 82 games + the playoffs is crazy. Teams rest players entire games. You’ll never see that in college.
 
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