i recall a game at the garden where crawford was guarding barry kramer of nyu. kramer went up for a jumper with crawfords hand in his face. kramer hung in the air until crawfords hand came down and then hit the shot. that was the year kramer was second in the nation in scoring . am i getting old or what?
NYU/St. John's Discussion
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used to fall asleep listening to NYU Violet games on the radio - Satch Sanders, Happy Hairston, Barry Kramer, …who else…Mal Graham, …did the same with the Yankees listening on the radio - such fond memories of a day before too much regular TV let alone the current million channel 24 hour cable "thing".
Was it better or worse yesteryear or today - or somewhere in the middle. When is enough enough.
Anyway great that we are in the midst of a program rising. If the stars continue to align and Lavin remains healthy, this run could surpass Louie's due to Coach Lavin's wide net of recruiting and public and magnetic persona. Louie had his own way but this time it could move beyond the 1970-80-90s,
all the best
Was it better or worse yesteryear or today - or somewhere in the middle. When is enough enough.
Anyway great that we are in the midst of a program rising. If the stars continue to align and Lavin remains healthy, this run could surpass Louie's due to Coach Lavin's wide net of recruiting and public and magnetic persona. Louie had his own way but this time it could move beyond the 1970-80-90s,
all the best
Don't have any strong memories of the Satch Sanders teams, but during the post-Sanders Barry Kramer era NYU also had Gene Fisch, a short PG (a big HS star in Syracuse) who looked and played a lot like our own Albie Swartz from the mid-60s, and Bob Patton, a 6'-5" Barry Kramer lookalike (though not play-alike). They also had Ray Bennett, a highly touted 6'-9" center who quickly showed that he possibly had the worst hands in the history of the sport.
For those who followed the the Violets in those year, you can read the famous pre-season assessment of them -- they were picked to win the national title -- in SI's December '63 issue athttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1075468/index.htm
Class of 72
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LOL! Moose, we may need a new thread here! Some of our fans love to reminisce. They make me feel young!
Wow, I never heard of some of the players they are mentioning from 1962!
But since they are here I would like to ask a few musical questions to go even further off-topic than Carlos Galan (hey, at least I mentioned his name here): Did you guys sing or chant " Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow" or "Louie, Louie" during games? Was "Puff-the Magic Dragon" really about smoking pot? In blow out games, did the home team PA guy play "Wipe Out"? And finally, was it "far out" to play Booker T. And the MG's "Green Onions" while cruising in your 1962 Corvettes?
Oh, and weren't the only Dominicans in New York City nuns and priests at that time? LOL!
I was at NYU but in many ways my favorite STJ team of all time (recruting at both schools in major decline right after the Molinas point shaving scandal). Donnie Burks and a team of role players for STJ but you could sense from the opening tip that Coach Lapchick was the dominant basketball figure in old MSG and that if there was a way to win with a depleted team, he would find it.
In a broad sense it is related to St. John's because this was the evolution of some of us to follow St. John's - e.g. when the Violets of NYU gave up big time sports we turned to the other big time program.
on these posts sometimes many posters diverge a bit - the NYU stuff is still college Bball. Whatever.
all the best
on these posts sometimes many posters diverge a bit - the NYU stuff is still college Bball. Whatever.
all the best
NYU gave up all sports in the late 60s, early 70s when it went through a hellish financial crisis that almost destroyed the school.
All sports were cut including the vaunted basketball program. More importantly, NYU sold its Bronx campus - now home of Bronx Community College, I believe - and dismantled its engineering department. The school barely survived.
Basketball was resurrected as a DIII program in the 1980s and still functions there to this day. The Board and co. are happy there and I doubt you will ever see a move back to DI. The mens teams have been to a few DIII Final Fours but have yet to win it all. The womens team did win it all back in 1997 on a last second drive - the only time NYU had the lead in the game and still the best sporting event Main Man has ever attended.
As a side note, undergrads still benefit from the cutbacks to this day. Rare is the class that's scheduled on a Friday - a carryover from when the university was open Monday thru Thursday to cut back on energy costs, etc. back in the bad old days.
All sports were cut including the vaunted basketball program. More importantly, NYU sold its Bronx campus - now home of Bronx Community College, I believe - and dismantled its engineering department. The school barely survived.
Basketball was resurrected as a DIII program in the 1980s and still functions there to this day. The Board and co. are happy there and I doubt you will ever see a move back to DI. The mens teams have been to a few DIII Final Fours but have yet to win it all. The womens team did win it all back in 1997 on a last second drive - the only time NYU had the lead in the game and still the best sporting event Main Man has ever attended.
As a side note, undergrads still benefit from the cutbacks to this day. Rare is the class that's scheduled on a Friday - a carryover from when the university was open Monday thru Thursday to cut back on energy costs, etc. back in the bad old days.
redmen1969
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If I recall correctly he used to kick his rear-end when he took a long J. Sort of like Dick Barnett (Dick Barnett, right?)
Around the time Barry Kramer was at NYU Columbia came along with a pretty good team led by Jim(?) McMillan - I remember we were playing them in the Garden and some Columbia kid (probably dating a SJU girl) was sitting in our student section and our fans were throwing around his freshman beanie ( Freshman beabies - now that's old!) I thought pretty soon they were going to start throwing the kid around
A bit of trivia regarding NYU's athletics:
The nickname of NYU's athletic teams is the "Violets". The Violets has to be the lamest team name in all of NCAA sports.
NYU is a member of the University Athletic Association which is composed of many of the most prestigious academic schools that play NCAA D3 athletics:
- - Washington University St. louis
- - University of Rochester
- - University of Chicago (a former member of the Big Ten conference)
- - Emory University
- - Case Western
- - Brandeis University
- - Carnegie Mellon University, and
- - NYU.
Johns Hopkins is a former member of the University Athletic Association being a member from 1986 to 2001.
The Men's Ice Hockey team is NYU's most successful season for their Ice Hockey team came during the 2003–2004 season, in which the team finished second (2nd) in the nation, losing to Oakland University of Michigan.
NYU Men's Basketball team appeared in the Division III National Championship game in 1994.
This season the NYU Violets' basketball is 7 wins and no losses.
The nickname of NYU's athletic teams is the "Violets". The Violets has to be the lamest team name in all of NCAA sports.
NYU is a member of the University Athletic Association which is composed of many of the most prestigious academic schools that play NCAA D3 athletics:
- - Washington University St. louis
- - University of Rochester
- - University of Chicago (a former member of the Big Ten conference)
- - Emory University
- - Case Western
- - Brandeis University
- - Carnegie Mellon University, and
- - NYU.
Johns Hopkins is a former member of the University Athletic Association being a member from 1986 to 2001.
The Men's Ice Hockey team is NYU's most successful season for their Ice Hockey team came during the 2003–2004 season, in which the team finished second (2nd) in the nation, losing to Oakland University of Michigan.
NYU Men's Basketball team appeared in the Division III National Championship game in 1994.
This season the NYU Violets' basketball is 7 wins and no losses.
Kramer had relatively small hands and cradled the ball as he went up for his jumper, then leaned in as he positioned the ball to shoot, not classic form. Also, I think it is Violet, no S, just as it is Columbia Lion, Princeton Tiger. Was originally class of 64 and finally graduated in 67.
If I recall correctly he used to kick his rear-end when he took a long J. Sort of like Dick Barnett (Dick Barnett, right?)
Around the time Barry Kramer was at NYU Columbia came along with a pretty good team led by Jim(?) McMillan - I remember we were playing them in the Garden and some Columbia kid (probably dating a SJU girl) was sitting in our student section and our fans were throwing around his freshman beanie ( Freshman beabies - now that's old!) I thought pretty soon they were going to start throwing the kid around
Jim McMillan and Heyward Dotson did not get to Columbia until Barry Kramer ha graduated from NYU. nYU still had Mal Graham who played a few years for the Celtics and is now a Judge in Mass. Those were the days when education was taken seriously and players used basketball to help them get a degree and a career.
If I recall correctly he used to kick his rear-end when he took a long J. Sort of like Dick Barnett (Dick Barnett, right?)
Around the time Barry Kramer was at NYU Columbia came along with a pretty good team led by Jim(?) McMillan - I remember we were playing them in the Garden and some Columbia kid (probably dating a SJU girl) was sitting in our student section and our fans were throwing around his freshman beanie ( Freshman beabies - now that's old!) I thought pretty soon they were going to start throwing the kid around
Jim McMillan and Heyward Dotson did not get to Columbia until Barry Kramer ha graduated from NYU. nYU still had Mal Graham who played a few years for the Celtics and is now a Judge in Mass. Those were the days when education was taken seriously and players used basketball to help them get a degree and a career.
Those McMillan-Dotson teams were awfully good. I remember losing to them in the Holiday Festival one year. When those two were sophs (I think), they played alongside the 7-foot Dave "Shorty" Newmark, who got a lot of press because of his size, but who didn't quite turn out to be the Ivy League version of Lew Alcindor.
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If I recall correctly he used to kick his rear-end when he took a long J. Sort of like Dick Barnett (Dick Barnett, right?)
Around the time Barry Kramer was at NYU Columbia came along with a pretty good team led by Jim(?) McMillan - I remember we were playing them in the Garden and some Columbia kid (probably dating a SJU girl) was sitting in our student section and our fans were throwing around his freshman beanie ( Freshman beabies - now that's old!) I thought pretty soon they were going to start throwing the kid around
Manhatten had decent teams; we had some competitive games with them. Even St.Francis played us tough.