Now We're Being Compared to Syracuse Football

[mjmaherjr]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

does it say how many posts that poster has or when they signed up on that board ? If the person only recently joined their site ( after the thread here was started ) then it's definitely a poster here.

If it's from someone who has been a member there for a long time then probably not

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

So what, they have basketball in those countries too. Being diverse doesn't have anything to with a lack of interest in basketball. Nobody at St. John's cared about soccer until we became a national power. If we become a national power again in basketball, it won't matter how diverse the university is, we will have better support, end of story.

Funny you should say that. Being at a few of the soccer games and plenty of basketball games, the soccer games are much more diverse in attendance. It makes sense because soccer is truly a global sport. Basketball, while played in other countries is still mainly American. They play football in Europe but that's not anywhere the big deal it is here. Just because it exists does not mean it is embraced at nearly the same level. Yes winning helps a lot and is a bigger factor than diversity, but diversity is still a factor. Do you honestly believe randomly pulling people from all corners of the globe, and throwing them into a school with a good basketball team makes them instant fans where they all sing kumbaya? SJU is closer to the United Nations than almost any other school in the country. One of the most popular areas students are from is listed as "Foreign Countries". If I go to Australia, I will likely not be as big a rugby fan as natives. If I go to England, I will likely not be as big a cricket fan as natives. So to take it one step further, someone from Sudan is not as likely to be ingrained in the Big East basketball culture as someone from Rockville Centre who grew up watching them.

 

[NYCRedmen]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

does it say how many posts that poster has or when they signed up on that board ? If the person only recently joined their site ( after the thread here was started ) then it's definitely a poster here.

If it's from someone who has been a member there for a long time then probably not

It wasn't Joe, it was a moderator of their site lol. It should be noted that no one agreed or commented on the "English" comment. Seems like everyone chose to ignore it. Maybe we can learn a thing or two from the Syracuse posters.

 

[NYCRedmen]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

So what, they have basketball in those countries too. Being diverse doesn't have anything to with a lack of interest in basketball. Nobody at St. John's cared about soccer until we became a national power. If we become a national power again in basketball, it won't matter how diverse the university is, we will have better support, end of story.

Funny you should say that. Being at a few of the soccer games and plenty of basketball games, the soccer games are much more diverse in attendance. It makes sense because soccer is truly a global sport. Basketball, while played in other countries is still mainly American. They play football in Europe but that's not anywhere the big deal it is here. Just because it exists does not mean it is embraced at nearly the same level. Yes winning helps a lot and is a bigger factor than diversity, but diversity is still a factor. Do you honestly believe randomly pulling people from all corners of the globe, and throwing them into a school with a good basketball team makes them instant fans where they all sing kumbaya? SJU is closer to the United Nations than almost any other school in the country. One of the most popular areas students are from is listed as "Foreign Countries". If I go to Australia, I will likely not be as big a rugby fan as natives. If I go to England, I will likely not be as big a cricket fan as natives. So to take it one step further, someone from Sudan is not as likely to be ingrained in the Big East basketball culture as someone from Rockville Centre who grew up watching them.

But if are born there or go there as a young child you probably will become a rugby or cricket fan, hello?

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

I started at St. John's in 2000. It was one of the most diverse schools then as well, but I can't remember a single person whose first language wasn't English. Were there students that knew other languages? Obviously. Every other person you meet from Florida State (including Mrs. Marillac) speaks Spanish as a first language and they do just fine drawing football and basketball.

My dislike for you isn't a witch hunt. It's due to your ridiculous views and generalizations. My son's first language is Spanish. Should I throw away his St. John's basketball gear? How about his FSU football jersey? I guess he's an exception to the rule....so are the 80,000 fans that pack FSU games, right?

FSU is a terrible example. It's 70% white. SJU is 40%. Stop jumping all over me because you are trying to make it personal with your family. You are claiming I'm making more extreme statements than I actually am in an effort to make me appear even more extreme and more easily vilified. I never said throw away your basketball gear if your first language isn't English. He IS the exception.

As for the difference between the Cuse forum and here, the Cuse forum truly IS diverse in opinion. Ironic, because so many on here seem to embrace diversity at every chance, yet some views are not allowed. If you don't agree with me, try to use reason, not insults. Notice I'm never the one insulting as per usual. Now that people know it wasn't me who posted that on the Cuse site, the normal thing to do would be to apologize for falsely accusing me, but somehow I don't see that in the cards. They definitely don't seem to take things as seriously on that forum compared to here.

 

[Marillac]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

I started at St. John's in 2000. It was one of the most diverse schools then as well, but I can't remember a single person whose first language wasn't English. Were there students that knew other languages? Obviously. Every other person you meet from Florida State (including Mrs. Marillac) speaks Spanish as a first language and they do just fine drawing football and basketball.

My dislike for you isn't a witch hunt. It's due to your ridiculous views and generalizations. My son's first language is Spanish. Should I throw away his St. John's basketball gear? How about his FSU football jersey? I guess he's an exception to the rule....so are the 80,000 fans that pack FSU games, right?

FSU is a terrible example. It's 70% white. SJU is 40%. Stop jumping all over me because you are trying to make it personal with your family. You are claiming I'm making more extreme statements than I actually am in an effort to make me appear even more extreme and more easily vilified. I never said throw away your basketball gear if your first language isn't English. He IS the exception.

Have you ever been to FSU? Do you know that most of the Cuban-Americans and Colombian-Americans that attend FSU identify themselves as white? So when they get that little checklist, they select white. Makes it a little tougher for a bigot like yourself to generalize, doesn't it? I mean, in your mind you are picturing a bunch of white kids running around based on that statistic. You've never been to the school, yet you are telling me it's a bad example.

 

[NYCRedmen]

Joe, you should read their forum a bit more carefully, they take things very seriously over there. Just go see what happens to anyone who ever brings up whether Boeheim should retire, they get tarred and feathered.

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

I started at St. John's in 2000. It was one of the most diverse schools then as well, but I can't remember a single person whose first language wasn't English. Were there students that knew other languages? Obviously. Every other person you meet from Florida State (including Mrs. Marillac) speaks Spanish as a first language and they do just fine drawing football and basketball.

My dislike for you isn't a witch hunt. It's due to your ridiculous views and generalizations. My son's first language is Spanish. Should I throw away his St. John's basketball gear? How about his FSU football jersey? I guess he's an exception to the rule....so are the 80,000 fans that pack FSU games, right?

FSU is a terrible example. It's 70% white. SJU is 40%. Stop jumping all over me because you are trying to make it personal with your family. You are claiming I'm making more extreme statements than I actually am in an effort to make me appear even more extreme and more easily vilified. I never said throw away your basketball gear if your first language isn't English. He IS the exception.

Have you ever been to FSU? Do you know that most of the Cuban-Americans and Colombian-Americans that attend FSU identify themselves as white? So when they get that little checklist, they select white. Makes it a little tougher for a bigot like yourself to generalize, doesn't it? I mean, in your mind you are picturing a bunch of white kids running around based on that statistic. You've never been to the school, yet you are telling me it's a bad example.

Very creative manipulating stats to suit your POV. Now race essentially doesn't exist and it's just what you identify with. Interesting. You can say someone identifies with an alien or a robot...still doesn't change the fact that SJU is lightyears more diverse than FSU. You are probably one of those people who says the NBA is diverse but Nascar isn't.

By the way, you just generalized all Cuban and Colombian-Americans at FSU! How dare you! It really is quite comical when people argue with themselves. First he says generalizing is a mortal sin, now he says he generalizes...but that's ok.

 

[Marillac]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

I started at St. John's in 2000. It was one of the most diverse schools then as well, but I can't remember a single person whose first language wasn't English. Were there students that knew other languages? Obviously. Every other person you meet from Florida State (including Mrs. Marillac) speaks Spanish as a first language and they do just fine drawing football and basketball.

My dislike for you isn't a witch hunt. It's due to your ridiculous views and generalizations. My son's first language is Spanish. Should I throw away his St. John's basketball gear? How about his FSU football jersey? I guess he's an exception to the rule....so are the 80,000 fans that pack FSU games, right?

FSU is a terrible example. It's 70% white. SJU is 40%. Stop jumping all over me because you are trying to make it personal with your family. You are claiming I'm making more extreme statements than I actually am in an effort to make me appear even more extreme and more easily vilified. I never said throw away your basketball gear if your first language isn't English. He IS the exception.

Have you ever been to FSU? Do you know that most of the Cuban-Americans and Colombian-Americans that attend FSU identify themselves as white? So when they get that little checklist, they select white. Makes it a little tougher for a bigot like yourself to generalize, doesn't it? I mean, in your mind you are picturing a bunch of white kids running around based on that statistic. You've never been to the school, yet you are telling me it's a bad example.

Very creative manipulating stats to suit your POV. Now race essentially doesn't exist and it's just what you identify with. Interesting. You can say someone identifies with an alien or a robot...still doesn't change the fact that SJU is lightyears more diverse than FSU. You are probably one of those people who says the NBA is diverse but Nascar isn't.

Are you serious? Most Cuban-Americansare WHITE...just like you. You're right, though, it's the same thing as identifying with an alien or a robot.

The fact is you googled the FSU student demographics and without ever visiting the campus, you drew your conclusions off that %. This is what you always do. FSU, according to the stats, has a 10% Hispanic population. That is less than the national average. Does that make any sense to you? Of course not.

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

I started at St. John's in 2000. It was one of the most diverse schools then as well, but I can't remember a single person whose first language wasn't English. Were there students that knew other languages? Obviously. Every other person you meet from Florida State (including Mrs. Marillac) speaks Spanish as a first language and they do just fine drawing football and basketball.

My dislike for you isn't a witch hunt. It's due to your ridiculous views and generalizations. My son's first language is Spanish. Should I throw away his St. John's basketball gear? How about his FSU football jersey? I guess he's an exception to the rule....so are the 80,000 fans that pack FSU games, right?

FSU is a terrible example. It's 70% white. SJU is 40%. Stop jumping all over me because you are trying to make it personal with your family. You are claiming I'm making more extreme statements than I actually am in an effort to make me appear even more extreme and more easily vilified. I never said throw away your basketball gear if your first language isn't English. He IS the exception.

Have you ever been to FSU? Do you know that most of the Cuban-Americans and Colombian-Americans that attend FSU identify themselves as white? So when they get that little checklist, they select white. Makes it a little tougher for a bigot like yourself to generalize, doesn't it? I mean, in your mind you are picturing a bunch of white kids running around based on that statistic. You've never been to the school, yet you are telling me it's a bad example.

Very creative manipulating stats to suit your POV. Now race essentially doesn't exist and it's just what you identify with. Interesting. You can say someone identifies with an alien or a robot...still doesn't change the fact that SJU is lightyears more diverse than FSU. You are probably one of those people who says the NBA is diverse but Nascar isn't.

Are you serious? Most Cuban-Americansare WHITE...just like you. You're right, though, it's the same thing as identifying with an alien or a robot.

The fact is you googled the FSU student demographics and without ever visiting the campus, you drew your conclusions off that %. This is what you always do. FSU, according to the stats, has a 10% Hispanic population. That is less than the national average. Does that make any sense to you? Of course not.

And Italians are black right?

 

[Marillac]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

I started at St. John's in 2000. It was one of the most diverse schools then as well, but I can't remember a single person whose first language wasn't English. Were there students that knew other languages? Obviously. Every other person you meet from Florida State (including Mrs. Marillac) speaks Spanish as a first language and they do just fine drawing football and basketball.

My dislike for you isn't a witch hunt. It's due to your ridiculous views and generalizations. My son's first language is Spanish. Should I throw away his St. John's basketball gear? How about his FSU football jersey? I guess he's an exception to the rule....so are the 80,000 fans that pack FSU games, right?

FSU is a terrible example. It's 70% white. SJU is 40%. Stop jumping all over me because you are trying to make it personal with your family. You are claiming I'm making more extreme statements than I actually am in an effort to make me appear even more extreme and more easily vilified. I never said throw away your basketball gear if your first language isn't English. He IS the exception.

Have you ever been to FSU? Do you know that most of the Cuban-Americans and Colombian-Americans that attend FSU identify themselves as white? So when they get that little checklist, they select white. Makes it a little tougher for a bigot like yourself to generalize, doesn't it? I mean, in your mind you are picturing a bunch of white kids running around based on that statistic. You've never been to the school, yet you are telling me it's a bad example.

Very creative manipulating stats to suit your POV. Now race essentially doesn't exist and it's just what you identify with. Interesting. You can say someone identifies with an alien or a robot...still doesn't change the fact that SJU is lightyears more diverse than FSU. You are probably one of those people who says the NBA is diverse but Nascar isn't.

By the way, you just generalized all Cuban and Colombian-Americans at FSU! How dare you! It really is quite comical when people argue with themselves. First he says generalizing is a mortal sin, now he says he generalizes...but that's ok.

Generalizing is done by everyone. Your generalizing always brings you to the same conclusions...and they are almost always racial. You have no personal knowledge of Florida, Spanish speakers, or Florida State, yet you can write a book on it all based on one stat. You are a bigot. There is no denying it.



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[Marillac]

Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?

I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.

No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.

BS you didn't write that. I didn't know a single person whose first language wasn't English while I was at St. John's. Nobody else would stake that ridiculous claim.

It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.

By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.

I started at St. John's in 2000. It was one of the most diverse schools then as well, but I can't remember a single person whose first language wasn't English. Were there students that knew other languages? Obviously. Every other person you meet from Florida State (including Mrs. Marillac) speaks Spanish as a first language and they do just fine drawing football and basketball.

My dislike for you isn't a witch hunt. It's due to your ridiculous views and generalizations. My son's first language is Spanish. Should I throw away his St. John's basketball gear? How about his FSU football jersey? I guess he's an exception to the rule....so are the 80,000 fans that pack FSU games, right?

FSU is a terrible example. It's 70% white. SJU is 40%. Stop jumping all over me because you are trying to make it personal with your family. You are claiming I'm making more extreme statements than I actually am in an effort to make me appear even more extreme and more easily vilified. I never said throw away your basketball gear if your first language isn't English. He IS the exception.

Have you ever been to FSU? Do you know that most of the Cuban-Americans and Colombian-Americans that attend FSU identify themselves as white? So when they get that little checklist, they select white. Makes it a little tougher for a bigot like yourself to generalize, doesn't it? I mean, in your mind you are picturing a bunch of white kids running around based on that statistic. You've never been to the school, yet you are telling me it's a bad example.

Very creative manipulating stats to suit your POV. Now race essentially doesn't exist and it's just what you identify with. Interesting. You can say someone identifies with an alien or a robot...still doesn't change the fact that SJU is lightyears more diverse than FSU. You are probably one of those people who says the NBA is diverse but Nascar isn't.

Are you serious? Most Cuban-Americansare WHITE...just like you. You're right, though, it's the same thing as identifying with an alien or a robot.

The fact is you googled the FSU student demographics and without ever visiting the campus, you drew your conclusions off that %. This is what you always do. FSU, according to the stats, has a 10% Hispanic population. That is less than the national average. Does that make any sense to you? Of course not.

And Italians are black right?

We all are if you go back 50,000 years. I'm done with you. You are shot.

 

[Class of 72]

The point of the Syracuse thread has been lost on most here. They simply compared their once nationally relevant football program to our basketball program. After the fifties and sixties, they became only regionally relevant. After the eighties and the Carnesseca retirement, same thing happened to SJU mostly the result of bad coaching hires.

As for little Joe and his conspiracy theories, it is all BS.
SJU has always been a school composed of the children of immigrants, Irish and Italian at first but now it reflects a new NYC. A friends daughter attended Cal Berkley where Asians make up the majority. Last I checked, they are still in the PAC 12 and play football. Imagine that! A school with that many Asians still giving out 80 scholarships for football instead of Ping Pong! LOL!!!

 

[NYCRedmen]

Excellent point Class of 72.

 

[beast of the east]

The point of the Syracuse thread has been lost on most here. They simply compared their once nationally relevant football program to our basketball program. After the fifties and sixties, they became only regionally relevant. After the eighties and the Carnesseca retirement, same thing happened to SJU mostly the result of bad coaching hires.

As for little Joe and his conspiracy theories, it is all BS.
SJU has always been a school composed of the children of immigrants, Irish and Italian at first but now it reflects a new NYC. A friends daughter attended Cal Berkley where Asians make up the majority. Last I checked, they are still in the PAC 12 and play football. Imagine that! A school with that many Asians still giving out 80 scholarships for football instead of Ping Pong! LOL!!!

Basketball is pretty much a universal sport. Just yesterday, an Asian kid was walking up the street past my house with a few friends. He couldn't take his eye off the hoop in my driveway as he walked towards my house, and kept launching imaginary jump shots as he went by. It's not a significant event, but made me realize that ALL kids, children of immigrants, or maybe even born somewhere else, can be as rabid basketball fans as the guys on redmen.com.

When I was in LA last fall, went to a Clippers game, was mildly surprised at how many Latinos and Asians were at the game. I'm guessing the Clippers draw a different crowd than the Lakers, but it was a lot of fun with their fans totally into their team.

Considering 45% of SJU is Pelle eligible, with a higher minority population than in the sellout days of MSG and CA, the student makeup if anything would translate into more students at the game, not less. Still, for some reason, the student sections behind each basket are packed with white kids.

 

[Redmen07]

I noticed someone there made my same hypothesis about why many students on our campus don't seem to care about basketball. If you were raised in a home where your parents are from South America, Mexico, Africa, etc. and your first language is not even English and your first culture is not American, chances are you will not know much about Big East basketball since the family hasn't been here long nor acculturated themselves completely yet. Basketball is an American sport. Am I saying to refuse children of immigrants acceptance to SJU? Absolutely not. But it's just one big factor in the lack of unity or sizable fanbase. It's also consistent as Cuse has much less diversity than us.

I agree with you on this. SJU is a multicultural melting pot, you will probably find more die hard soccer fans because of the large immigrant, or first generation American populations than Big East basketball fans.

 

[Andrew]

The NBA is by far the most nationally diverse major sport in this country. There are players from all of the major continents except Asia which was represented in the past by Yao Ming.

 

[SJU85]

I noticed someone there made my same hypothesis about why many students on our campus don't seem to care about basketball. If you were raised in a home where your parents are from South America, Mexico, Africa, etc. and your first language is not even English and your first culture is not American, chances are you will not know much about Big East basketball since the family hasn't been here long nor acculturated themselves completely yet. Basketball is an American sport. Am I saying to refuse children of immigrants acceptance to SJU? Absolutely not. But it's just one big factor in the lack of unity or sizable fanbase. It's also consistent as Cuse has much less diversity than us.

What is the percentage of students currently enrolled at St. John's whose first language is not English?

 

[fun]

What is the percentage of students currently enrolled at St. John's whose first language is not English?

Well esia, if chew count ebonics as a second langwich, then 100 percent - the white race of native English speakers (37.2) = 62.8 percent non English speakers.

Ethnicity of Students from U.S.
0.2% American Indian/Alaskan Native
19.3% Asian
20.0% Black/African-American
17.2% Hispanic/Latino
4.0% Multi-race (not Hispanic/Latino)
0.3% Native Hawaiian/ Pacific Islander
37.2% White
2.0% Unknown

Or if you prefer,

International Students 3.3% from 92 countries. 3 percent of 15000 = ~ 500.

Must just seem like more.

=29

 

[fuchsia]

We live in a country where everyone with the exception of Native Americans and the descendants of African slaves, voted with their feet to be here. The reasons for those votes, both historic and current, vary from famine to persecution, from true love to pure hate. I continue to be in awe of a country with the capacity for self-correction. I try to enter new situations with the desire to find out from whom can I learn. I continue to be grateful that St. John's adheres to its Vincentian mission. I worry about those who confront difference overwhelmed with a sense of discomfort and a first question that no matter how disguised equates to "Who should we fear and what should we do to those who we fear?"