Now We're Being Compared to Syracuse Football
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Pleasedontbanmeagain
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I noticed someone there made my same hypothesis about why many students on our campus don't seem to care about basketball. If you were raised in a home where your parents are from South America, Mexico, Africa, etc. and your first language is not even English and your first culture is not American, chances are you will not know much about Big East basketball since the family hasn't been here long nor acculturated themselves completely yet. Basketball is an American sport. Am I saying to refuse children of immigrants acceptance to SJU? Absolutely not. But it's just one big factor in the lack of unity or sizable fanbase. It's also consistent as Cuse has much less diversity than us.
Some of those guys make good points. Then you have the guy who says the big east is on it's way to becoming the maac, as in the metro Atlantic athletic conference a conference that I love BTW, and at the point what's the use in reading.
Pleasedontbanmeagain
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Cuse football is about as irrelevant a program as there is in major college football. Cut and dry. They had to take someone else down with them (SJU) to try and cope with the pain and feel better about themselves.
Stony Brook came within a hair of knocking them off last year. Cuse football is more at SB/Buffalo level than Virginia Tech.
Stony Brook came within a hair of knocking them off last year. Cuse football is more at SB/Buffalo level than Virginia Tech.
Northern Storm
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Does anyone really care what SU fans think or say? I for one don't, which is why I never read their comments, let alone go to their boards. :blink:
I came to the US in 1968. By 1973, I was enjoying my beloved Knicks win a championship. My dad rooted for anyone but the Knicks (I was never sure why). By 1976 or so, I became a St. John's fan. Other that some limited interest during the World Cup and Olympics, I have no interest in or knowledge of anything about soccer. Generalizations are easy to make but they aren't always completely accurate.
Pleasedontbanmeagain
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It depends what conversation you want to have: rules or exceptions. I tend to focus on rules because they actually do allow for generalizations. Somewhere along the lines it seems that generalizing anything is seen as a mortal sin. It's just how life works. I can generalize accurately. Generally in Florida it's hotter than New York. Generally in Seattle it rains more than Los Angeles. Generally, Valentine's day incorporates the color pink. Generally, people go to sleep at night. Generalizations are not vicious...it's just knowing how things are most of the time.
Think about it logically. Is a country more likely to be united if it's full of people with the same backgrounds and similar cultures, or if it's full of totally different backgrounds and totally different cultures? Same goes for college fan bases (barring the very few exceptions). In fact, anywhere outside of America or Europe, you would be condemned for even implying that diversity is something that should be lauded. The more different you are, the less you have in common and the less likely you are to join for a similar cause. It's just that simple. The only way we get our status and fanbase back is if we start appearing in the top 25 routinely and we start at the very least competing seriously against Cuse and G'Town. To offset the diversity aspect, we will need to win that much more to get the fans out in large numbers.
No sh@t. You are like Jason Bourne when you walk into a room...except instead of immediately locating exits and potential threats, you have everyone labeled and their life stories written in the first 10 seconds. You resort to generalizations because they are easier for you to digest. You generalize everything. If you are in a relationship, that girl/guy must have the patience of a saint.
Quote from the Syracuse board. Was this posted by Joe?
I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.
I grew up a St. John's fan. I think that place is structurally too flawed to resurrect a hoops program (even though it takes a hand full of kids to make it happen). Walk around that campus in 2013, there are not a lot of kids that care about Big East hoops, or frankly grew up with English as the first language at home.
Pleasedontbanmeagain
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No I didn't, which is why I noticed that whoever wrote that is arguing the same thing I am. The only difference is I get excommunicated for saying that laced with insults and on the Cuse board they accept his opinion and seem to know there is a truth to it.
NYCRedmen
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The English as a second language is a bunch of garbage, like someone else posted, start winning and they will come, period. We've been to one NCAA Tournament the last 10 years. If we were a regular NCAA tourney team the last 10 years does anyone here really think our attendance/fan base would not be better.
Pleasedontbanmeagain
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It just goes to show how radical you are in your crusade against me being at the point where you just assume anyone who sides with me could only be me using a different moniker. Pretty pathetic. You try to sing kumbaya and seem so accepting of everyone and every culture, then you act like this towards me. Hypocrite much? When did you go to SJU? I'm AT SJU now, so don't try to tell me you know better than me. Every single time I've been there I've heard other languages...it's extremely common. This isn't the 1960's or 1970's anymore. It's a top 3 MOST DIVERSE school in the COUNTRY! If you think that has nothing to do with the attendance issues and fanbase issues then you are just plain nuts. The assertion that you can have 10 people from Mexico, 10 from Sudan, 10 from Haiti, 10 from Ireland, 10 from Japan, and 10 from Iraq and expect them to all cheer for SJU hoops and have lots in common is so insane that I don't think you actually believe it.
By the way I never said it was the single factor. Of course winning has lots to do with it as well, but what I said also plays a significant factor. I would absolutely love to turn Creighton's student body into the UN and see what happened to their attendance and hype for their basketball team. I would bet my life you would see declines in attendance.
NYCRedmen
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So what, they have basketball in those countries too. Being diverse doesn't have anything to with a lack of interest in basketball. Nobody at St. John's cared about soccer until we became a national power. If we become a national power again in basketball, it won't matter how diverse the university is, we will have better support, end of story.
I started at St. John's in 2000. It was one of the most diverse schools then as well, but I can't remember a single person whose first language wasn't English. Were there students that knew other languages? Obviously. Every other person you meet from Florida State (including Mrs. Marillac) speaks Spanish as a first language and they do just fine drawing football and basketball.
My dislike for you isn't a witch hunt. It's due to your ridiculous views and generalizations. My son's first language is Spanish. Should I throw away his St. John's basketball gear? How about his FSU football jersey? I guess he's an exception to the rule....so are the 80,000 fans that pack FSU games, right?