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mjmaherjr

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Overall the kids we have are good kids. They make mistakes on the court like other kids maybe some more and maybe some the same mistakes but the kids are good kids. We can be unhappy with where we are as a team conference record wise but the kids dont deserve thread titles with their names on them knocking them.

And no-one including staff deserves personal shots. We are all adults if we cant set an example and treat people the way we'd want to be treated then it says more about us than the kids
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=328925]Overall the kids we have are good kids. They make mistakes on the court like other kids maybe some more and maybe some the same mistakes but the kids are good kids. We can be unhappy with where we are as a team conference record wise but the kids dont deserve thread titles with their names on them knocking them.[/quote]

Agree 100% Mike
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=328925]Overall the kids we have are good kids. They make mistakes on the court like other kids maybe some more and maybe some the same mistakes but the kids are good kids. We can be unhappy with where we are as a team conference record wise but the kids dont deserve thread titles with their names on them knocking them.

And no-one including staff deserves personal shots. We are all adults if we cant set an example and treat people the way we'd want to be treated then it says more about us than the kids[/quote]

Well said, Mike. Need to keep things in perspective.
 
Nobody said the kids weren’t bad kids But they have been a disappointment and the coach has been below average.

Let’s be honest Chris Mullin is not a good coach and there’s no shame in saying that. It may hurt to say but these are the facts.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=328933]Nobody said the kids weren’t bad kids But they have been a disappointment and the coach has been below average.

Let’s be honest Chris Mullin is not a good coach and there’s no shame in saying that. It may hurt to say but these are the facts.[/quote]

Agree.

The players are usually off-limits, IMO. The coach or staff is fair game, as long as no one is making it personal or throwing personal jabs the staff.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=328933]Nobody said the kids weren’t bad kids But they have been a disappointment and the coach has been below average.

Let’s be honest Chris Mullin is not a good coach and there’s no shame in saying that. It may hurt to say but these are the facts.[/quote]

He isn't a good coach, but making fun of his complexion was pretty silly.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=328937][quote="Sju grad 13" post=328933]Nobody said the kids weren’t bad kids But they have been a disappointment and the coach has been below average.

Let’s be honest Chris Mullin is not a good coach and there’s no shame in saying that. It may hurt to say but these are the facts.[/quote]

He isn't a good coach, but making fun of his complexion was pretty silly.[/quote]

I don’t know who did that but I’m just focusing on his mediocrity.
 
If the season ending, and tournament ending slump is eating at us fans, imagine what it's doing to the players and staff.
 
the only thing consistent at st johns is how the coaching staff year after year seems to lose the team. players getting suspended, transfers, injuries, ineligibility, etc.....we seemed doomed
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=328954]If the season ending, and tournament ending slump is eating at us fans, imagine what it's doing to the players and staff.[/quote]

Well if Shamorie Instagram is any indication. He’s not taking the losing well.

“Sometimes I feel the pressure on me”
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=328962][quote="Ray Morgan" post=328954]If the season ending, and tournament ending slump is eating at us fans, imagine what it's doing to the players and staff.[/quote]

Well if Shamorie Instagram is any indication. He’s not taking the losing well.

“Sometimes I feel the pressure on me”[/quote]

Some thrive under pressure, and some can't take it. It's not a knock on SP.
But you gotta want "all eyes on me.", it's your team kid, and you're the star on that team, so you're the leader.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=328972][quote="Sju grad 13" post=328962][quote="Ray Morgan" post=328954]If the season ending, and tournament ending slump is eating at us fans, imagine what it's doing to the players and staff.[/quote]

Well if Shamorie Instagram is any indication. He’s not taking the losing well.

“Sometimes I feel the pressure on me”[/quote]

Some thrive under pressure, and some can't take it. It's not a knock on SP.
But you gotta want "all eyes on me.", it's your team kid, and you're the star on that team, so you're the leader.[/quote]

Actually, Ponds did exactly what I wanted him to do today. When he saw a good shot, he took it. None of this passing off a good shot, in hopes of getting a great one that might never come. He was aggressive from the start today, but his shot was off, for the most part.

If an off shooting night from Ponds is ultimately going to be what costs us a game, then we just have to live with that, IMO.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=328925]Overall the kids we have are good kids. They make mistakes on the court like other kids maybe some more and maybe some the same mistakes but the kids are good kids. We can be unhappy with where we are as a team conference record wise but the kids dont deserve thread titles with their names on them knocking them.

And no-one including staff deserves personal shots. We are all adults if we cant set an example and treat people the way we'd want to be treated then it says more about us than the kids[/quote]

Yeah these kids are great kids...... they averaged like 2 technical fouls a game. True role models. I had to explain to my son every game I brought him to not to act like these clowns. Although I can’t really blame them because their coach is the epitome of low class and clueless on top of that. Mr Cragg please bail us out of this nightmare.
 
Mike well said these are college kids, who have ups and downs as do we all. As we all were hoping for more its not over yet!
 
MJ very well said. Point I was trying to make on another now locked thread but you made it much better than I did.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=328925]Overall the kids we have are good kids. They make mistakes on the court like other kids maybe some more and maybe some the same mistakes but the kids are good kids. We can be unhappy with where we are as a team conference record wise but the kids dont deserve thread titles with their names on them knocking them.

And no-one including staff deserves personal shots. We are all adults if we cant set an example and treat people the way we'd want to be treated then it says more about us than the kids[/quote]

I disagree on the last point. The coaches get paid plenty to take shots against them. This all falls on them. They recruited this team. They "coached" this team. The blame of sucking the last month falls on them. If they don't make the tournament these kids will be looking back on this season their whole lives.
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=328982][quote="mjmaherjr" post=328925]Overall the kids we have are good kids. They make mistakes on the court like other kids maybe some more and maybe some the same mistakes but the kids are good kids. We can be unhappy with where we are as a team conference record wise but the kids dont deserve thread titles with their names on them knocking them.

And no-one including staff deserves personal shots. We are all adults if we cant set an example and treat people the way we'd want to be treated then it says more about us than the kids[/quote]

Yeah these kids are great kids...... they averaged like 2 technical fouls a game. True role models. I had to explain to my son every game I brought him to not to act like these clowns. Although I can’t really blame them because their coach is the epitome of low class and clueless on top of that. Mr Cragg please bail us out of this nightmare.[/quote]

I can't help but be disappointed by your post. Just what has anyone on this staff done to be worthy of the term "low class"? Grow up in flatbush maybe? Father a customs agent? Aunts who are nuns? No PhD?

I've had season tickets since I was a student. My adult children have been to games with me since they were 5 or 6. Not once have I had to condemn a players on court actions by explaining it to them. At last count I had 13 techs on the team, which is less than 0.5 per game - way more than last season but you exaggerated. All player techs were two categories - double techs for 2 players shoving, and mouthing too much at a ref in frustration. Personally I'd be much more concerned with how a parent unduly describes the class and character of students and coaches based on wins or losses than how our guys actually conducted themselves
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=328925]Overall the kids we have are good kids. They make mistakes on the court like other kids maybe some more and maybe some the same mistakes but the kids are good kids. We can be unhappy with where we are as a team conference record wise but the kids dont deserve thread titles with their names on them knocking them.

And no-one including staff deserves personal shots. We are all adults if we cant set an example and treat people the way we'd want to be treated then it says more about us than the kids[/quote]

Classy, as usual.
 
There is stuff that has been going on this season that will become news all too soon. I wish we could all control our emotions better and not make a disappointing season a reason to attack some really good kids and men who coach them. When the news comes out some of you will regret the nasty stuff you've been saying. At least those of you with brains.

In the end, our roster is just too thin and too short. In game strategy can only do so much when you basically have 2 small forwards as your big men, and three guards comprising your rotation. Basketball is unforgiving when it comes to height, and in the absence of height, the lack of depth has been a crusher for us.

When you have to double down, teams with skilled big men will kick it to open perimeter players. One on one, we got crushed by big men who seemed to score at will. In our losses, teams made their open looks when we doubled down. Hard to come up with a strategy to beat that.

There's really only one strategy that could have helped this team win over the past three and that is make your outside shots and make sure you get good looks. They failed in the former, and did okay in the latter. If this team doesn't make shots, they don't win. period.

In terms of roster, I'd take each of our starting 5 in a heartbeat. After that the falloff was radical. There wasn't a single game where our bigs, Keita and Roberts outplayed the opposition, and nearly all the time they were tremendously overmatched either by skilled Euro plodders, athletic and talented bigs, really anyone 6'8 or better. The height differential was too much for our top 5 to make up for considering the lack of depth. In college 2 fouls in the 1st half puts you on the bench, 3 in early 2nd half bendches you again, and 4 anytime above 7 minutes benches you. With just 5 capable players, it was too much to ask our smaller guys to play physical against larger opponents.

The staff greatly overrated what Keita would bring. The knee injury hurt for sure, but he hasn't shown much. Roberts get puched around too easily.

Heron and Ponds injuries hurt a ton.

I didn't go over the top after big wins, and i didn't lose it after we lost winnable games.


Still and all, 10 wins were attainable, and 9 looks like would have locked up a bid - certainly 10 would. Big disappointment, but I'd also remind you guys that just 3 weeks ago, the biggest and nastiest critics right now were singng that they loved this team and it was among their favorite. You can't have it both ways after a 3 game collapse.


Think of our collective mindset. We would have collecitvely been calling for Xavier's coach to be fired after their miserable start. We'd be moaning over Nova and MArquette's late season swoon, and if we were Providence fans, moaning how Cooley can't coach and the team sucks. Forget about being a DePaul fan, who makes our program seem like Duke.

Facts are facts though. We lost 2 to Providence, Xavier, and DePaul, and without inspection makes for an unsuccessful campaign. It's disappointing, and depressing.

I had said a few weeks ago that 9-9 in conference without a bid would make this season a disappointment. 8-10 certainly is a failed season. I'd like for us to have been healthy and see how it went, but injuries are part of the game.
 
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