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[quote="Paultzman" post=298868][quote="Chicago Days" post=298866]http://www.slccbruins.com/news/2018/7/23/mens-basketball-salt-lake-signs-duo-to-2018-19-class.aspx?path=mbball

Re Cameron Mack. Seems he's a 'project' in a couple ways. He left SFA for Hutchinson Community then went to Salt Lake City CC.
FWIW 247 had him #236 ranked and a 3 * out of HS.
I have no clue and am open to the kid.
Just hope we know what we're doing.[/quote]
Figueroa connection it appears[/quote]

Good, that's more understandable then.
 
Thankfully, only 10 days until our exhibition and two weeks until the games start for real. I'm prepared to suspend my disbelief in the heavy transfer market recruiting strategy so long as we win like we should this year in the hope/belief that we'll be attractive to HS recruits come early 2019.
 
My guess is that we really need a guy that can play Pg, and I’m not sure that Davis is that guy. We need somebody ready to play Pg from day 1. Staff must feel that Mikey Dixon is more of a 2 than a 1 and we need more help there. This kid has good size and it looks like really good passing skills. Better D1 schools jumping into the picture now because apparently he’s doing well in JC ball, including Gonzaga who I always take as a good sign. I’m sure our staff knows talent. That’s not the problem. Getting the talent in here seeksnto be.
 
[quote="Adam" post=298864]Yeah...

The whole thing with transfers is they seem to take significantly less effort. That is not directed towards Matt, because I think he has done an amazing job, but rather the rest of the staff.

This approach is getting concerning when our 2019 class is empty and we're targeting 2/3* transfers who haven't played more than 4 minutes of D1 ball. Massive difference between him and Simon/Clark/Heron/Dixon/etc.

I love getting Heron for this year, but he's a once in a blue moon transfer. The model is not sustainable.

Staff really needs to start going all out for some of these borderline 3/4* players. Not just for a few weeks/months (like with transfers), but for a few years.

Put some damn effort in...[/quote]

He’s not a sit out transfer. It would be same situation as LJ and essentially a ‘19 recruit.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=298882]My guess is that we really need a guy that can play Pg, and I’m not sure that Davis is that guy. We need somebody ready to play Pg from day 1. Staff must feel that Mikey Dixon is more of a 2 than a 1 and we need more help there. This kid has good size and it looks like really good passing skills. Better D1 schools jumping into the picture now because apparently he’s doing well in JC ball, including Gonzaga who I always take as a good sign. I’m sure our staff knows talent. That’s not the problem. Getting the talent in here seeksnto be.[/quote]

K, I've now watched Mack's clips from 2013 - 17. The kid has an outside shot, but his game is more dishing and driving.
Prototypical definition of a PG.
Seems quick and athletic.
Wonder why he hasn't stuck at 3 stops?
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=298884][quote="Adam" post=298864]Yeah...

The whole thing with transfers is they seem to take significantly less effort. That is not directed towards Matt, because I think he has done an amazing job, but rather the rest of the staff.

This approach is getting concerning when our 2019 class is empty and we're targeting 2/3* transfers who haven't played more than 4 minutes of D1 ball. Massive difference between him and Simon/Clark/Heron/Dixon/etc.

I love getting Heron for this year, but he's a once in a blue moon transfer. The model is not sustainable.

Staff really needs to start going all out for some of these borderline 3/4* players. Not just for a few weeks/months (like with transfers), but for a few years.

Put some damn effort in...[/quote]

He’s not a sit out transfer. It would be same situation as LJ and essentially a ‘19 recruit.[/quote]

That's better, but I'm still skeptical judging by his resume. Especially given his position, which we don't have an issue recruiting. If he were a big then I'd be more intrigued.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=298889][quote="MCNPA" post=298882]My guess is that we really need a guy that can play Pg, and I’m not sure that Davis is that guy. We need somebody ready to play Pg from day 1. Staff must feel that Mikey Dixon is more of a 2 than a 1 and we need more help there. This kid has good size and it looks like really good passing skills. Better D1 schools jumping into the picture now because apparently he’s doing well in JC ball, including Gonzaga who I always take as a good sign. I’m sure our staff knows talent. That’s not the problem. Getting the talent in here seeksnto be.[/quote]

K, I've now watched Mack's clips from 2013 - 17. The kid has an outside shot, but his game is more dishing and driving.
Prototypical definition of a PG.
Seems quick and athletic.
Wonder why he hasn't stuck at 3 stops?[/quote]

I don’t know. He didn’t really play at SF Austin. Seems like he decided it wasn’t for him right away. He committed to Hutchinson but i don’t see anything showing he actually went there nor played there. For all intents and purposes, he didn’t really bounce spots as much as he seems he really never got settled. Maybe he just wasn’t happy at SF Austin so he decided on juco route and switched Jucos after committing? None of it seems like a real red flag and I’m sure staff knows the story.
 
[quote="Adam" post=298864]Yeah...

The whole thing with transfers is they seem to take significantly less effort. That is not directed towards Matt, because I think he has done an amazing job, but rather the rest of the staff.

This approach is getting concerning when our 2019 class is empty and we're targeting 2/3* transfers who haven't played more than 4 minutes of D1 ball. Massive difference between him and Simon/Clark/Heron/Dixon/etc.

I love getting Heron for this year, but he's a once in a blue moon transfer. The model is not sustainable.

Staff really needs to start going all out for some of these borderline 3/4* players. Not just for a few weeks/months (like with transfers), but for a few years.

Put some damn effort in...[/quote]

For whatever reason this staff cannot get high level prep kids. Shamorie Ponds was an exception. Those that did come in the 3/4 star range have all left the program. I am at a loss to explain it because just having a losing record can't be the reason. Could be lack of selling skills on the part of the California trio who never recruited or not maintaining a connection with recruits. Whatever the reason this was/is the year to change the increasing perception that this staff has less recruiting skills than the last regime.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=298875]Thankfully, only 10 days until our exhibition and two weeks until the games start for real. I'm prepared to suspend my disbelief in the heavy transfer market recruiting strategy so long as we win like we should this year in the hope/belief that we'll be attractive to HS recruits come early 2019.[/quote]

Agree, NCJ. It's the 'win-and-they-will-come' mantra. Let's keep chanting.
 
MCNPA wrote: I don’t know. He didn’t really play at SF Austin. Seems like he decided it wasn’t for him right away. He committed to Hutchinson but i don’t see anything showing he actually went there nor played there. For all intents and purposes, he didn’t really bounce spots as much as he seems he really never got settled. Maybe he just wasn’t happy at SF Austin so he decided on juco route and switched Jucos after committing? None of it seems like a real red flag and I’m sure staff knows the story.

MCNPA, the problem with that theory is the only game he played (4 minutes) was against Central Arkansas on March 8th, so he sat the whole year until then - don't know if it was injury, bad fit or what. I did find a pre-season analysis that said while he was brought in to run the offense there was a kid who had a good freshman year who was going to compete for that role. I am willing to trust the staff here, given the home runs with guys like Simon, Clark and it looks like Figgy & Keita, but there are some ??? with this kid.
 
Happy I think given what they're looking for from Cameron Mack,scoring and slashing, Charles Manning would have been the choice for a local kid rather than Joe. As you know Joe is kinda a throwback "pure point guard" who passes first and creates tempo not only by pushing the ball up but with terrific ball pressure on defense. Observing the staff's recruiting from a distance they have demonstrated a reluctance to recruit those kinds of ball players especially if they're not big guards. My idea wrt kids like Joe is that what he may lack shooting the ball he makes up for by getting his team mates better shots. Even when he's making "drive and kick" plays to shooters, his passes are right in the shooting pocket allowing for better rhythm shots. Take that plus what he gives you in transition and on defense. AND the fact that he makes winning plays and you have a kid that can help a winning team at any level.
 
[quote="jpm114" post=298901]Happy I think given what they're looking for from Cameron Mack,scoring and slashing, Charles Manning would have been the choice for a local kid rather than Joe. As you know Joe is kinda a throwback "pure point guard" who passes first and creates tempo not only by pushing the ball up but with terrific ball pressure on defense. Observing the staff's recruiting from a distance they have demonstrated a reluctance to recruit those kinds of ball players especially if they're not big guards. My idea wrt kids like Joe is that what he may lack shooting the ball he makes up for by getting his team mates better shots. Even when he's making "drive and kick" plays to shooters, his passes are right in the shooting pocket allowing for better rhythm shots. Take that plus what he gives you in transition and on defense. AND the fact that he makes winning plays and you have a kid that can help a winning team at any level.[/quote]

I've noticed that they steer clear of that type player, although I would not have been able to phrase it as eloquently as jpm114. My big question is who on the staff is the main culprit?

If they ever land kids like Cockburn and Achiuwa, it seems like that type point guard would be perfect.
 
Cameron Mack seems to dish on his drives as much as he scores, maybe a poor man's Shamorie Ponds, coming out of HS.
And he seems an adept ball-handler.
I worry about three things: Can we 'land' him? Are there 'issues' with him that explain his many stops?
Would we 'like' that explanation?
 
[quote="jpm114" post=298901]Happy I think given what they're looking for from Cameron Mack,scoring and slashing, Charles Manning would have been the choice for a local kid rather than Joe. As you know Joe is kinda a throwback "pure point guard" who passes first and creates tempo not only by pushing the ball up but with terrific ball pressure on defense. Observing the staff's recruiting from a distance they have demonstrated a reluctance to recruit those kinds of ball players especially if they're not big guards. My idea wrt kids like Joe is that what he may lack shooting the ball he makes up for by getting his team mates better shots. Even when he's making "drive and kick" plays to shooters, his passes are right in the shooting pocket allowing for better rhythm shots. Take that plus what he gives you in transition and on defense. AND the fact that he makes winning plays and you have a kid that can help a winning team at any level.[/quote] It seems like the staff not only has a problem recruiting a pure pg, but also a pure Center. Can’t have a team made up of solely wings.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=298905] It seems like the staff not only has a problem recruiting a pure pg, but also a pure Center. Can’t have a team made up of solely wings.[/quote]

In their defense, attracting quality big men is hard.

But the hatred for pure point guards must really run deep if you are located in the tri-state area and don't attempt to bring one in.
 
Very curious about Cameron Mack. Looks like a good slashing/dishing PG.
Guessing, we think we can land him via the Figgy connection?
And 3 stops in 1 year, kind of scares me, but whatever.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=298988]Very curious about Cameron Mack. Looks like a good slashing/dishing PG.
Guessing, we think we can land him via the Figgy connection?
And 3 stops in 1 year, kind of scares me, but whatever.[/quote]
They just know each other, would not draw any significant conclusions from that.
 
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