NBA Scouts - St John's Guys Not Ready

[Class of 72]

While a few of our guys have shown flashes of brilliant, athletic NBA type play, the real standard is that they have to do it consistently, which I have not seen yet this season.

Unless an NBA team is drafting for the center position, the real standard in the NBA is being able to shoot and score on a consistent basis. Without a shot, you don't have a shot at an NBA team. That is why every year there are so many foreign players in the draft. Shooting, not athleticism, is the what puts points on the board. NONE of our players have that skill and most are average defenders. Those two skills can be improved with hard work and dedication (see Chris Mullin) but I do not see those qualities in these players.

 

[beast of the east]

. FWIW I still think D'lo has a decent shot of sticking with an NBA team.

As a player?
He is the classic definition of a tweener...except in this case, he is a tweener without a spectacular skill.
Too small to be a SG. Too inconsistent to be a SG. Too slow and without a handle to be a PG.

End result? Good college career and a ticket to Europe to earn some bucks.

I tend to agree that I don't see Harrison as NBA player. The comparison some people gave awhile back was Eddie House. Harrison is a little taller but they have similar bodies and stats as well. He did stick in the NBA for awhile.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/arizona-state/eddie-house/1999-2000

Now, here's what will surprise you. I think Harrison has an NBA body and moxie, and capabilities. One reason I'm so hard on him, is that there is no way he should be shooting in the high 30s and only 34 from the college 3 point stripe (20'6"). I think there are a lot of reasons, like focus, shot selection, and even if I gave you that he takes it on himself and has to force because of teammates. So I think that if he tightened up his game, and got his shooting percentage in the 45-48% range, he'd be an NBA prospect.

 

[westchesterjoe]

. FWIW I still think D'lo has a decent shot of sticking with an NBA team.

As a player?
He is the classic definition of a tweener...except in this case, he is a tweener without a spectacular skill.
Too small to be a SG. Too inconsistent to be a SG. Too slow and without a handle to be a PG.

End result? Good college career and a ticket to Europe to earn some bucks.

I tend to agree that I don't see Harrison as NBA player. The comparison some people gave awhile back was Eddie House. Harrison is a little taller but they have similar bodies and stats as well. He did stick in the NBA for awhile.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/arizona-state/eddie-house/1999-2000

Now, here's what will surprise you. I think Harrison has an NBA body and moxie, and capabilities. One reason I'm so hard on him, is that there is no way he should be shooting in the high 30s and only 34 from the college 3 point stripe (20'6"). I think there are a lot of reasons, like focus, shot selection, and even if I gave you that he takes it on himself and has to force because of teammates. So I think that if he tightened up his game, and got his shooting percentage in the 45-48% range, he'd be an NBA prospect.

Doubtful he makes the NBA. for all the reasons already mentioned..Hardy had a much better all around game and didn't get drafted, after a monster senior year.

 

[westchesterjoe]

I think Jordan is the only guy on the roster with a shot of ever making a NBA team....thoughts?

Great potential, but very raw. He's no Marcus Smart, let's put it that way. He'll need three years to make the first round. He is an unproven distributor and a below average shooter at this point.

THe fact that the scout didn't even mention him (that I saw at least) says a lot.

Marillac, one scout felt strongly that Pointer could be an effective NBA two guard, because of his solid offensive rebounding & heady play. Your thoughts?

Didn't know that the guy that convinced Portland to take Larue Martin first in the NBA draft was still scouting.

Or, the one who picked Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan..

 

[logen]

I think Jordan is the only guy on the roster with a shot of ever making a NBA team....thoughts?

Great potential, but very raw. He's no Marcus Smart, let's put it that way. He'll need three years to make the first round. He is an unproven distributor and a below average shooter at this point.

THe fact that the scout didn't even mention him (that I saw at least) says a lot.

Marillac, one scout felt strongly that Pointer could be an effective NBA two guard, because of his solid offensive rebounding & heady play. Your thoughts?

Didn't know that the guy that convinced Portland to take Larue Martin first in the NBA draft was still scouting.

Or, the one who picked Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan..

Actually, since it was generally conceded that both Portland and Houston needed a center and were going to draft that way, the real mistake by Portland was drafting Bowie over Hakeem Alujowan. Portland had Clyde Drexler at the off-guard and didn't "need" Jordan. Had ANY team known how great Jordan would become his drafting would have been the ultimate no-brainer but no one could have really foreseen what happened. Houston also passed on MJ but you never hear them criticized because Hakeem was great also but certainly no Jordan. An interesting argument is had Jordan not left for baseball and Houston never won the championships while he was gone would they also have gotten the "ESPN hindsight" whipping that Portland got?

 

[simplyred]

Houston picked Hakeem #1. Portland went 2nd and took Bowie over Jordan. Even if you needed a center, Bowie spent 6 years at UK, sitting two out with broken legs. He would break a bone rolling over in bed. That's why the pick was so ridiculous.

 

[Marillac]

Harrison has no shot in the NBA. None.
He is short, has no length, and he is SLOW.

 

[logen]

Houston picked Hakeem #1. Portland went 2nd and took Bowie over Jordan. Even if you needed a center, Bowie spent 6 years at UK, sitting two out with broken legs. He would break a bone rolling over in bed. That's why the pick was so ridiculous.

If you are right, and you sound like you are, my mind is even farther gone that I thought...!!!!!!!

 

[1and1sju]

. FWIW I still think D'lo has a decent shot of sticking with an NBA team.

As a player?
He is the classic definition of a tweener...except in this case, he is a tweener without a spectacular skill.
Too small to be a SG. Too inconsistent to be a SG. Too slow and without a handle to be a PG.

End result? Good college career and a ticket to Europe to earn some bucks.

I tend to agree that I don't see Harrison as NBA player. The comparison some people gave awhile back was Eddie House. Harrison is a little taller but they have similar bodies and stats as well. He did stick in the NBA for awhile.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/arizona-state/eddie-house/1999-2000

Now, here's what will surprise you. I think Harrison has an NBA body and moxie, and capabilities. One reason I'm so hard on him, is that there is no way he should be shooting in the high 30s and only 34 from the college 3 point stripe (20'6"). I think there are a lot of reasons, like focus, shot selection, and even if I gave you that he takes it on himself and has to force because of teammates. So I think that if he tightened up his game, and got his shooting percentage in the 45-48% range, he'd be an NBA prospect.

I don't think you can say he's shooting mid 30s% because he's tight or takes it on himself. This isn't an aberration.
It's been three seasons. He's taken 500 3pointers. This is who he is.

 

[Andrew]

Houston picked Hakeem #1. Portland went 2nd and took Bowie over Jordan. Even if you needed a center, Bowie spent 6 years at UK, sitting two out with broken legs. He would break a bone rolling over in bed. That's why the pick was so ridiculous.

If you are right, and you sound like you are, my mind is even farther gone that I thought...!!!!!!!

Yes. Hakeem was the first pick and a Hall of Famer.

 

[beast of the east]

Houston picked Hakeem #1. Portland went 2nd and took Bowie over Jordan. Even if you needed a center, Bowie spent 6 years at UK, sitting two out with broken legs. He would break a bone rolling over in bed. That's why the pick was so ridiculous.

Actually, I recall reading a scouting report on Olajuwon after the draft. It said he had absolutely horrendous lateral movement and would never be an offensive force in the NBA given his poor mobility with the ball down low. Bowie on the other hand was a highly skilled big man for Kentucky, and risk of injuries non withstanding was felt to be an NBA ready center. Who knows how he would have turned out if the injuries didn't dog him. We know how Hakeem turned out, which is a good lesson for anyone in any discipline to not let anyone's judgment limit what you can become or are.

 

[simplyred]

Hakeem was new to the game but had tremendous talent. Bowie was and incredibly skilled player in HS. He was a 7 footer who could dribble, run and shoot. The problem is that the history of injuries during college were glaring. This wasn't a guy, like Noel, who fell and broke his leg during his Sr. season. Bowie had 2 freakish leg breaks that never really healed. He had a chronic problem that was known. There was no mystery to fact that he would like never have a long career. Not worth that high a pick.

 

[Ray Morgan]

. FWIW I still think D'lo has a decent shot of sticking with an NBA team.

As a player?
He is the classic definition of a tweener...except in this case, he is a tweener without a spectacular skill.
Too small to be a SG. Too inconsistent to be a SG. Too slow and without a handle to be a PG.

End result? Good college career and a ticket to Europe to earn some bucks.

I tend to agree that I don't see Harrison as NBA player. The comparison some people gave awhile back was Eddie House. Harrison is a little taller but they have similar bodies and stats as well. He did stick in the NBA for awhile.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/arizona-state/eddie-house/1999-2000

Now, here's what will surprise you. I think Harrison has an NBA body and moxie, and capabilities. One reason I'm so hard on him, is that there is no way he should be shooting in the high 30s and only 34 from the college 3 point stripe (20'6"). I think there are a lot of reasons, like focus, shot selection, and even if I gave you that he takes it on himself and has to force because of teammates. So I think that if he tightened up his game, and got his shooting percentage in the 45-48% range, he'd be an NBA prospect.

I think you would be right about Harrison having a shot to make the NBA, if this was 1965. The Knicks probably would have given the hometown player a chance with a 6th round pick, or however many rounds they drafted back then. Certainly couldn't have contributed less than Butch Komives. No NBA team is looking for an average athlete with average or below average size for a 2 that has below average range for a NBA 2. I like the old school game he has. It just doesn't work in today's NBA.

 

[monte]

Harrison has no shot in the NBA. None.
He is short, has no length, and he is SLOW.

He may not be Felix Balamou, but he is neither short nor slow.