My manifesto to Joe3

bk8664

Active member
Joe3,
I really didn’t want to take the bait, but I will.

I’ve occasionally advocated patience – and not much more than that. I have not advocated for blind optimism. You, are on the other hand, are constantly haranguing on this web site. Everyone knows how you feel. You have driven your point home. You probably have the most posts on this website – besides the moderators – and I would guess 90% of your posts are absolute complain-fests. It’s really over-the-top. Venting and being negative about the team is fine – you are entitled to that in this forum. However, you do it such an absurd extent that everyone gets sick of it. Please try and take your foot off the gas. There is a reason why other posters are specifically annoyed with you. You are too much.

Let me explain something that a lot of us intuitively already know. You apparently need it to be explained it to you:

There are probably around 340 players currently at the D1 level that were ranked in the ‘top 100’ coming out of high-school (100 freshmen, then assume attrition for departures for nba, and those just plain don’t want to play ball anymore: 85 sophomores, 80 juniors and 75 seniors) That’s a lot of top 100 guys. Three hundred-forty players divided by an average five top-100 guys per team = 68 teams with top talent (some teams will have more talent, some less). That shows that are lot of teams loaded with top-flight players. There are plenty of other teams that are trying just as hard as us. Just because you roll in a bunch of top-100 players doesn’t mean you achieve instant success. Let’s me explain: If the top 100 players mostly gravitate to the major power conferences, that means by definition, there will be plenty of teams with top 100 players that will have losing records (because all the teams with top-100 players compete against each other).

In light of that – is really that absurd or disappointing that we not have having the success that we want so early in the process? So, it’s not absurd that we are not winning games right now – and even losing in spectacular fashion.

Our program was basically in the dark ages for the better part of 15 years. We are now – finally – getting that top 100 talent back at our program. Are we are a perfectly built team? No. Do we wish the reverse weave offense – or whatever it is called – is run more efficiently? Yes. Do we wish Sanchez was eligible? Yes. The coaches had to take a lot of chances to recruit players to our moribund program. They’ve landed a lot of quality players. It hasn’t turned out perfect. We have pieces. We just need a few more – and for our guys to be learn to work together on the court.

There are no guarantees. We could be terrible again next year. Some posters are understandably distraught. But to complain and complain and complain – absolutely non-stop this early in the process is ludicrous. Give it a couple of more years for the coaches’ players to be able to mature, and for the team to fill out its roster. If it is not working then, by all means – feel free to complain all day long. Until then, it’s too much to complain ad nauseam. So please try and limit yourself.

You said in your post – that I’m “politically correct.” Well, I’ll try not to be so “politically correct” anymore if that’s what you prefer: Get lost. You are a broken record. Go back and wallow in your misery with the Mets. It seems to suite you. I presume I speak for a lot of posters when I say you bore us.
 
So in an effort to send the message that I'm "over the top", you write a 600+ word manifesto letter directly addressed to me? This is material that belongs in a personal message since it's only addressed to 1 person, not the entire forum. Right before the season starts we get tons of posts declaring this team a top 5 Big East team, possibly a Sweet 16 team, definitely 20 wins, and even ranked. Then we go out, crap the bed, and are now 9-7 1-3 in the Big East basement, and it goes from "we are a top 5 talent" to "oh we are young", "oh it's early" (even though it's halfway through), "oh, give Lavin more time". You are nothing more than just another sheep trying to fit in by bashing a known enemy. It's safe...agreeing with me on anything is dangerous and a few have had the courage to do so even if I'm right. Stop concerning yourself with MY posts, and make your own. If you don't like it, you can go kick rocks to put it nicely. Despite your attempt to make it seem like top 100 talent is not anything special, that is just false. Even some good mid major teams would go nuts over getting 1 4 star top 100 player. We have 6. If it meant nothing, ESPN wouldn't develop their own top 100. The reason it's used is to show the talent differences. By the way, even saying top 100 is misleading because our players are closer to top 50 with a few beyond that. Harrison, Sampson, Branch are all around 50. 600 words...damn...are you sure you don't have a crush?
 
So in an effort to send the message that I'm "over the top", you write a 600+ word manifesto letter directly addressed to me? This is material that belongs in a personal message since it's only addressed to 1 person, not the entire forum. Right before the season starts we get tons of posts declaring this team a top 5 Big East team, possibly a Sweet 16 team, definitely 20 wins, and even ranked. Then we go out, crap the bed, and are now 9-7 1-3 in the Big East basement, and it goes from "we are a top 5 talent" to "oh we are young", "oh it's early" (even though it's halfway through), "oh, give Lavin more time". You are nothing more than just another sheep trying to fit in by bashing a known enemy. It's safe...agreeing with me on anything is dangerous and a few have had the courage to do so even if I'm right. Stop concerning yourself with MY posts, and make your own. If you don't like it, you can go kick rocks to put it nicely. Despite your attempt to make it seem like top 100 talent is not anything special, that is just false. Even some good mid major teams would go nuts over getting 1 4 star top 100 player. We have 6. If it meant nothing, ESPN wouldn't develop their own top 100. The reason it's used is to show the talent differences. By the way, even saying top 100 is misleading because our players are closer to top 50 with a few beyond that. Harrison, Sampson, Branch are all around 50. 600 words...damn...are you sure you don't have a crush?


look at the bright side. You're the only person in the sites history to get their own manifesto.

A lot of us publicity whores are jealous :)
 
God forbid I ever posted a manifesto on anyone on here...I would either have people begging for me to be banned or I would just have my IP banned forever. Personally attack Joe: good boy...that was warranted! Joe personally attacks someone else: BAD! Back in the doghouse for you. Funny how double standards work. I think I add a lot more to this forum than people realize or would like to admit and I know other posters agree deep down but are too scared to admit it, hiding in the closet from the majority who hate me. I make a few posts people don't agree with, and they are writing essays about how 2 horns began developing on my head. I am the Sandusky without the crime...the guy people on here love to hate and I mean LOVE to hate. Wahh, he posts too much. Wahh he bores me. Wahh he makes this board hard to read. Wahh he this. Wahh he that. Really close to just telling a mod to ban me after being attacked in all directions for 1.5 years now. If more was done by mods to minimize the stupid posts clearly designed to personally attack and draw conflict like this one, the board would be a much better place.
 
God forbid I ever posted a manifesto on anyone on here...I would either have people begging for me to be banned or I would just have my IP banned forever. Personally attack Joe: good boy...that was warranted! Joe personally attacks someone else: BAD! Back in the doghouse for you. Funny how double standards work. I think I add a lot more to this forum than people realize or would like to admit and I know other posters agree deep down but are too scared to admit it, hiding in the closet from the majority who hate me. I make a few posts people don't agree with, and they are writing essays about how 2 horns began developing on my head. I am the Sandusky without the crime...the guy people on here love to hate and I mean LOVE to hate. Wahh, he posts too much. Wahh he bores me. Wahh he makes this board hard to read. Wahh he this. Wahh he that. Really close to just telling a mod to ban me after being attacked in all directions for 1.5 years now. If more was done by mods to minimize the stupid posts clearly designed to personally attack and draw conflict like this one, the board would be a much better place.

Taking shots at the mods. Smart move.
 
i might as well get in on it while the roast is on...reading your posts day in and day out is like Chinese water torture. same days i feel it would be less painful to take a shot in the nuts from mike Tyson, than read one of your posts. you might as well just copy and paste your previous posts because its the same garbage...other than that i feel you bring a good presence to the board
 
God forbid I ever posted a manifesto on anyone on here...I would either have people begging for me to be banned or I would just have my IP banned forever. Personally attack Joe: good boy...that was warranted! Joe personally attacks someone else: BAD! Back in the doghouse for you. Funny how double standards work. I think I add a lot more to this forum than people realize or would like to admit and I know other posters agree deep down but are too scared to admit it, hiding in the closet from the majority who hate me. I make a few posts people don't agree with, and they are writing essays about how 2 horns began developing on my head. I am the Sandusky without the crime...the guy people on here love to hate and I mean LOVE to hate. Wahh, he posts too much. Wahh he bores me. Wahh he makes this board hard to read. Wahh he this. Wahh he that. Really close to just telling a mod to ban me after being attacked in all directions for 1.5 years now. If more was done by mods to minimize the stupid posts clearly designed to personally attack and draw conflict like this one, the board would be a much better place.

Taking shots at the mods. Smart move.

Did I not make a valid point? How is "Joe3 Manifesto" a relevant thread to have on this site about SJ basketball? It's not basketball directed...it's directed specifically at 1 person. It's like being in English class, raising your hand and ranting about a student in the room. How is it relevant to English? It's not. And this thread has no relevance in a basketball forum. What English teacher would let that kid rant about another student? And what mod would allow some nut job to write a 600 word manifesto directed at 1 person written for no other reason than bashing?
 
i might as well get in on it while the roast is on...reading your posts day in and day out is like Chinese water torture. same days i feel it would be less painful to take a shot in the nuts from mike Tyson, than read one of your posts. you might as well just copy and paste your previous posts because its the same garbage...other than that i feel you bring a good presence to the board

"I might as well get it on while the roast is on"

That quote says a LOT about the culture of this forum. Think about what you just wrote. Do you not see a problem with that? Hey, look there's a man on the ground being kicked. Let's go get some kicks in too! No mercy!

By the way, how do you delete your account?
 
i might as well get in on it while the roast is on...reading your posts day in and day out is like Chinese water torture. same days i feel it would be less painful to take a shot in the nuts from mike Tyson, than read one of your posts. you might as well just copy and paste your previous posts because its the same garbage...other than that i feel you bring a good presence to the board

"I might as well get it on while the roast is on"

That quote says a LOT about the culture of this forum. Think about what you just wrote. Do you not see a problem with that? Hey, look there's a man on the ground being kicked. Let's go get some kicks in too! No mercy!

In your life there will be plenty of places you go where they don't suffer fools. In those places you won't be welcome. At least here they don't throw you out . . . any more.
 
i might as well get in on it while the roast is on...reading your posts day in and day out is like Chinese water torture. same days i feel it would be less painful to take a shot in the nuts from mike Tyson, than read one of your posts. you might as well just copy and paste your previous posts because its the same garbage...other than that i feel you bring a good presence to the board

"I might as well get it on while the roast is on"

That quote says a LOT about the culture of this forum. Think about what you just wrote. Do you not see a problem with that? Hey, look there's a man on the ground being kicked. Let's go get some kicks in too! No mercy!

In your life there will be plenty of places you go where they don't suffer fools. In those places you won't be welcome. At least here they don't throw you out . . . any more.

Not surprised. You were always one for pouring it on, never shutting the lid. I sure hope you don't have to come across anyone like that in life.
 
i might as well get in on it while the roast is on...reading your posts day in and day out is like Chinese water torture. same days i feel it would be less painful to take a shot in the nuts from mike Tyson, than read one of your posts. you might as well just copy and paste your previous posts because its the same garbage...other than that i feel you bring a good presence to the board

"I might as well get it on while the roast is on"

That quote says a LOT about the culture of this forum. Think about what you just wrote. Do you not see a problem with that? Hey, look there's a man on the ground being kicked. Let's go get some kicks in too! No mercy!

By the way, how do you delete your account?

you ignore the part where i say you bring a good presence to the board...
 
I am one of the first members of this site although I haven't posted much since the Mavin was banned. The reason I don't post much is that the board has become so predictable. It is the same after every game. If we win against a top opponent then Lavin is the greatest coach ever and we should be ranked in the top five, if we lose then Lavin is a bum and we need to scrap the whole team. You forget we are talking about kids here. Is Lavin perfect? no but is he better than some of our previous coaches i.e. Norm, Jarvis 1 &2 and fraud Frascilla unquestionably? Also as the announcers keep saying we are the youngest team in the US who just lost their best player to the pros and their Xs and Os guy to the same place. So stop the infighting and get behind the team which is what the board was created for in the first place.
 
So in an effort to send the message that I'm "over the top", you write a 600+ word manifesto letter directly addressed to me? This is material that belongs in a personal message since it's only addressed to 1 person, not the entire forum. Right before the season starts we get tons of posts declaring this team a top 5 Big East team, possibly a Sweet 16 team, definitely 20 wins, and even ranked. Then we go out, crap the bed, and are now 9-7 1-3 in the Big East basement, and it goes from "we are a top 5 talent" to "oh we are young", "oh it's early" (even though it's halfway through), "oh, give Lavin more time". You are nothing more than just another sheep trying to fit in by bashing a known enemy. It's safe...agreeing with me on anything is dangerous and a few have had the courage to do so even if I'm right. Stop concerning yourself with MY posts, and make your own. If you don't like it, you can go kick rocks to put it nicely. Despite your attempt to make it seem like top 100 talent is not anything special, that is just false. Even some good mid major teams would go nuts over getting 1 4 star top 100 player. We have 6. If it meant nothing, ESPN wouldn't develop their own top 100. The reason it's used is to show the talent differences. By the way, even saying top 100 is misleading because our players are closer to top 50 with a few beyond that. Harrison, Sampson, Branch are all around 50. 600 words...damn...are you sure you don't have a crush?

To be fair, no publication ever predicted St. John's to finish top 5 in the conference this year. Quite the opposite. Most had us at the very bottom.

Bottom line, fans on this board and JJ were overzealous. We thought that the incoming freshmen were going to be college ready (which was unfair) and that the sophomores would take a big leap forward (they haven't). At this point, all we can hope is that the coaching staff continues to work on improving their game and that eventually it clicks.
 
God forbid I ever posted a manifesto on anyone on here...I would either have people begging for me to be banned or I would just have my IP banned forever. Personally attack Joe: good boy...that was warranted! Joe personally attacks someone else: BAD! Back in the doghouse for you. Funny how double standards work. I think I add a lot more to this forum than people realize or would like to admit and I know other posters agree deep down but are too scared to admit it, hiding in the closet from the majority who hate me. I make a few posts people don't agree with, and they are writing essays about how 2 horns began developing on my head. I am the Sandusky without the crime...the guy people on here love to hate and I mean LOVE to hate. Wahh, he posts too much. Wahh he bores me. Wahh he makes this board hard to read. Wahh he this. Wahh he that. Really close to just telling a mod to ban me after being attacked in all directions for 1.5 years now. If more was done by mods to minimize the stupid posts clearly designed to personally attack and draw conflict like this one, the board would be a much better place.
There you go again with these insane comparisons.. Sandusky?? Really?? It's not about being PC.. have some common sense. Don't compare REAL tragedies with the 'attacks' you feel you endure on here. Just like you did with mentioning the hurricane on SI to Orlando's eligibility situation. INSANE!!! You post about someone having COURAGE to agree with your posts.. It doesn't take any courage at all to hide behind a screen name. Courage are the men/women who protect this great country. Firemen who run into burning buildings while others run out. Police.. etc... you get the point, that is true courage. Your responses remind me very much of my niece who is 21. Everything is a crisis. Can't ever look on the positive side of anything. I had her a shirt made up for Christmas that simply said DRAMA QUEEN. I can have one made up for you as well, size medium?
 
God forbid I ever posted a manifesto on anyone on here...I would either have people begging for me to be banned or I would just have my IP banned forever. Personally attack Joe: good boy...that was warranted! Joe personally attacks someone else: BAD! Back in the doghouse for you. Funny how double standards work. I think I add a lot more to this forum than people realize or would like to admit and I know other posters agree deep down but are too scared to admit it, hiding in the closet from the majority who hate me. I make a few posts people don't agree with, and they are writing essays about how 2 horns began developing on my head. I am the Sandusky without the crime...the guy people on here love to hate and I mean LOVE to hate. Wahh, he posts too much. Wahh he bores me. Wahh he makes this board hard to read. Wahh he this. Wahh he that. Really close to just telling a mod to ban me after being attacked in all directions for 1.5 years now. If more was done by mods to minimize the stupid posts clearly designed to personally attack and draw conflict like this one, the board would be a much better place.
There you go again with these insane comparisons.. Sandusky?? Really?? It's not about being PC.. have some common sense. Don't compare REAL tragedies with the 'attacks' you feel you endure on here. Just like you did with mentioning the hurricane on SI to Orlando's eligibility situation. INSANE!!! You post about someone having COURAGE to agree with your posts.. It doesn't take any courage at all to hide behind a screen name. Courage are the men/women who protect this great country. Firemen who run into burning buildings while others run out. Police.. etc... you get the point, that is true courage. Your responses remind me very much of my niece who is 21. Everything is a crisis. Can't ever look on the positive side of anything. I had her a shirt made up for Christmas that simply said DRAMA QUEEN. I can have one made up for you as well, size medium?

You could find eating a banana to be offensive. You are the absolute textbook PC fan and I don't mean Providence College. What I would give to be a fly on the wall with you taking English class reading poems with tons of metaphors or similes you found offensive. I am offended by your feeling of offensiveness!
 
God forbid I ever posted a manifesto on anyone on here...I would either have people begging for me to be banned or I would just have my IP banned forever. Personally attack Joe: good boy...that was warranted! Joe personally attacks someone else: BAD! Back in the doghouse for you. Funny how double standards work. I think I add a lot more to this forum than people realize or would like to admit and I know other posters agree deep down but are too scared to admit it, hiding in the closet from the majority who hate me. I make a few posts people don't agree with, and they are writing essays about how 2 horns began developing on my head. I am the Sandusky without the crime...the guy people on here love to hate and I mean LOVE to hate. Wahh, he posts too much. Wahh he bores me. Wahh he makes this board hard to read. Wahh he this. Wahh he that. Really close to just telling a mod to ban me after being attacked in all directions for 1.5 years now. If more was done by mods to minimize the stupid posts clearly designed to personally attack and draw conflict like this one, the board would be a much better place.
There you go again with these insane comparisons.. Sandusky?? Really?? It's not about being PC.. have some common sense. Don't compare REAL tragedies with the 'attacks' you feel you endure on here. Just like you did with mentioning the hurricane on SI to Orlando's eligibility situation. INSANE!!! You post about someone having COURAGE to agree with your posts.. It doesn't take any courage at all to hide behind a screen name. Courage are the men/women who protect this great country. Firemen who run into burning buildings while others run out. Police.. etc... you get the point, that is true courage. Your responses remind me very much of my niece who is 21. Everything is a crisis. Can't ever look on the positive side of anything. I had her a shirt made up for Christmas that simply said DRAMA QUEEN. I can have one made up for you as well, size medium?

You could find eating a banana to be offensive. You are the absolute textbook PC fan and I don't mean Providence College. What I would give to be a fly on the wall with you taking English class reading poems with tons of metaphors or similes you found offensive. I am offended by your feeling of offensiveness!

Did you still want to know how to delete an account?
 
God forbid I ever posted a manifesto on anyone on here...I would either have people begging for me to be banned or I would just have my IP banned forever. Personally attack Joe: good boy...that was warranted! Joe personally attacks someone else: BAD! Back in the doghouse for you. Funny how double standards work. I think I add a lot more to this forum than people realize or would like to admit and I know other posters agree deep down but are too scared to admit it, hiding in the closet from the majority who hate me. I make a few posts people don't agree with, and they are writing essays about how 2 horns began developing on my head. I am the Sandusky without the crime...the guy people on here love to hate and I mean LOVE to hate. Wahh, he posts too much. Wahh he bores me. Wahh he makes this board hard to read. Wahh he this. Wahh he that. Really close to just telling a mod to ban me after being attacked in all directions for 1.5 years now. If more was done by mods to minimize the stupid posts clearly designed to personally attack and draw conflict like this one, the board would be a much better place.
There you go again with these insane comparisons.. Sandusky?? Really?? It's not about being PC.. have some common sense. Don't compare REAL tragedies with the 'attacks' you feel you endure on here. Just like you did with mentioning the hurricane on SI to Orlando's eligibility situation. INSANE!!! You post about someone having COURAGE to agree with your posts.. It doesn't take any courage at all to hide behind a screen name. Courage are the men/women who protect this great country. Firemen who run into burning buildings while others run out. Police.. etc... you get the point, that is true courage. Your responses remind me very much of my niece who is 21. Everything is a crisis. Can't ever look on the positive side of anything. I had her a shirt made up for Christmas that simply said DRAMA QUEEN. I can have one made up for you as well, size medium?

You could find eating a banana to be offensive. You are the absolute textbook PC fan and I don't mean Providence College. What I would give to be a fly on the wall with you taking English class reading poems with tons of metaphors or similes you found offensive. I am offended by your feeling of offensiveness!

Did you still want to know how to delete an account?

Let's start a kickstarter fund to help Joe3 start his own site.
 
God forbid I ever posted a manifesto on anyone on here...I would either have people begging for me to be banned or I would just have my IP banned forever. Personally attack Joe: good boy...that was warranted! Joe personally attacks someone else: BAD! Back in the doghouse for you. Funny how double standards work. I think I add a lot more to this forum than people realize or would like to admit and I know other posters agree deep down but are too scared to admit it, hiding in the closet from the majority who hate me. I make a few posts people don't agree with, and they are writing essays about how 2 horns began developing on my head. I am the Sandusky without the crime...the guy people on here love to hate and I mean LOVE to hate. Wahh, he posts too much. Wahh he bores me. Wahh he makes this board hard to read. Wahh he this. Wahh he that. Really close to just telling a mod to ban me after being attacked in all directions for 1.5 years now. If more was done by mods to minimize the stupid posts clearly designed to personally attack and draw conflict like this one, the board would be a much better place.
There you go again with these insane comparisons.. Sandusky?? Really?? It's not about being PC.. have some common sense. Don't compare REAL tragedies with the 'attacks' you feel you endure on here. Just like you did with mentioning the hurricane on SI to Orlando's eligibility situation. INSANE!!! You post about someone having COURAGE to agree with your posts.. It doesn't take any courage at all to hide behind a screen name. Courage are the men/women who protect this great country. Firemen who run into burning buildings while others run out. Police.. etc... you get the point, that is true courage. Your responses remind me very much of my niece who is 21. Everything is a crisis. Can't ever look on the positive side of anything. I had her a shirt made up for Christmas that simply said DRAMA QUEEN. I can have one made up for you as well, size medium?

You could find eating a banana to be offensive. You are the absolute textbook PC fan and I don't mean Providence College. What I would give to be a fly on the wall with you taking English class reading poems with tons of metaphors or similes you found offensive. I am offended by your feeling of offensiveness!

Did you still want to know how to delete an account?

Let's start a kickstarter fund to help Joe3 start his own site.

Just what we need. A 4th site.

He wouldn't blaze a trail since another former poster has his own playground now.
 
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