MSG/ACC
- Thread starter paultzman
- Start date
I find it funny that there is not another city in this country, where these out-of-region conferences want to play a tournament. Most don’t even have any natural fan bases here etc. Time for us to get our act together get a consistent winner and some rivalries going..
Last edited:
JohnnyFever
Active member
This is another reason we have to win consistently again...we are on the verge of losing our storied home. Every year we seem to play less at MSG and now other conferences are trying to steal it for their tournaments. MSG is absolutely crucial to hold onto with everything we've got. There's a reason Seton Hall and Rutgers are near NYC but not New York's Team. It's one thing to play in Queens in a residential area and quite another to play in midtown Manhattan under the brightest lights in the country. As I've said, it's the only true recruiting advantage we have left.
[quote="MCNPA" post=299233]I find it funny that there is not another city in this country, where these out-of-region conferences want to play a tournament. Most don’t even have any natural fan bases here etc. Time for us to get our act together get a consistent winner and some rivalries going..[/quote]
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.
jetstorm
Member
[quote="Section9" post=299235][quote="MCNPA" post=299233]I find it funny that there is not another city in this country, where these out-of-region conferences want to play a tournament. Most don’t even have any natural fan bases here etc. Time for us to get our act together get a consistent winner and some rivalries going..[/quote]
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10!
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10!
[quote="jetstorm" post=299236][quote="Section9" post=299235][quote="MCNPA" post=299233]I find it funny that there is not another city in this country, where these out-of-region conferences want to play a tournament. Most don’t even have any natural fan bases here etc. Time for us to get our act together get a consistent winner and some rivalries going..[/quote]
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10![/quote]
Syracuse and Duke have large NYC fanbases, though. UNC's not bad either, in that department. Those three schools should fill MSG by themselves (heck, any one of them could probably do it).
ACC has a much better shot of doing damage, attendance wise, then the Big 10 did.
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10![/quote]
Syracuse and Duke have large NYC fanbases, though. UNC's not bad either, in that department. Those three schools should fill MSG by themselves (heck, any one of them could probably do it).
ACC has a much better shot of doing damage, attendance wise, then the Big 10 did.
[quote="SJU61982" post=299238][quote="jetstorm" post=299236][quote="Section9" post=299235][quote="MCNPA" post=299233]I find it funny that there is not another city in this country, where these out-of-region conferences want to play a tournament. Most don’t even have any natural fan bases here etc. Time for us to get our act together get a consistent winner and some rivalries going..[/quote]
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10![/quote]
Syracuse and Duke have large NYC fanbases, though. UNC's not bad either, in that department. Those three schools should fill MSG by themselves (heck, any one of them could probably do it).
ACC has a much better shot of doing damage, attendance wise, then the Big 10 did.[/quote]
Exactly
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10![/quote]
Syracuse and Duke have large NYC fanbases, though. UNC's not bad either, in that department. Those three schools should fill MSG by themselves (heck, any one of them could probably do it).
ACC has a much better shot of doing damage, attendance wise, then the Big 10 did.[/quote]
Exactly
[quote="SJU61982" post=299238][quote="jetstorm" post=299236][quote="Section9" post=299235][quote="MCNPA" post=299233]I find it funny that there is not another city in this country, where these out-of-region conferences want to play a tournament. Most don’t even have any natural fan bases here etc. Time for us to get our act together get a consistent winner and some rivalries going..[/quote]
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10![/quote]
Syracuse and Duke have large NYC fanbases, though. UNC's not bad either, in that department. Those three schools should fill MSG by themselves (heck, any one of them could probably do it).
ACC has a much better shot of doing damage, attendance wise, then the Big 10 did.[/quote]
Include Boston College with those three.
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10![/quote]
Syracuse and Duke have large NYC fanbases, though. UNC's not bad either, in that department. Those three schools should fill MSG by themselves (heck, any one of them could probably do it).
ACC has a much better shot of doing damage, attendance wise, then the Big 10 did.[/quote]
Include Boston College with those three.
I'm more concerned about the ACC than B1G. What is this about a 2022 opt out? First I've heard of it.
Hopefully the Big East is negotiating a new deal as we speak.
Also hope that SJU stops thinking small minded in regards to rolling back SJU MSG games. Time to treat that as our home, it's the best thing we've got.
Thank God for Nova in all this... time for other to step up.
Hopefully the Big East is negotiating a new deal as we speak.
Also hope that SJU stops thinking small minded in regards to rolling back SJU MSG games. Time to treat that as our home, it's the best thing we've got.
Thank God for Nova in all this... time for other to step up.
Last edited:
[quote="IDRAFT" post=299248]I can see why the ACC wants in, having a harder time understanding why MSG would mess with success. The Big East schools continue to show that they can fill MSG for the tournament. Full is full. How does the ACC top that?[/quote]
More teams = more games = more money.
More teams = more games = more money.
[URL][URL]https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article220552260.html[/URL][/URL]
When the ACC tacked on two years to its tournament rotation last month, adding Washington in 2021 and Brooklyn in 2022 onto previously announced trips to Charlotte this March and Greensboro in 2020, the abbreviated nature of the extension was no accident.
The ACC, like the Big Ten, continues to covet Madison Square Garden and wants to maintain maximum flexibility going forward should an opportunity open to get into that arena.
“I think everybody in our league, around that table, feels like it’s important for our tournament to be in New York periodically,” ACC commissioner John Swofford said Wednesday. “It’s just a question of where.”
While the Big East’s contract with the Garden is believed to contain options for either side, the earliest another conference could potentially get into the Garden for a year, if at all, is probably 2024.
Swofford has previously ruled out holding the tournament a week early and sharing the arena with the Big East, as the Big Ten did last year. And while the drive to get into Manhattan is strong – especially among former Big East schools like Syracuse, Notre Dame and Pittsburgh – the ACC remains happy with Brooklyn’s Barclays Center as its primary New York pied-a-terre, as evidenced by its continuing presence in what has become an unofficial rotation between the two North Carolina sites, Washington and New York.
“That is a rotation that is working very well for us” Swofford said. “We’re still a relatively new expanded footprint as a conference. We’ve talked a lot about respecting the past and embracing the present and the future. … There doesn’t seem to be another league out there that can move their tournament around and have the success with it that we’ve been fortunate enough to have.”
When the ACC tacked on two years to its tournament rotation last month, adding Washington in 2021 and Brooklyn in 2022 onto previously announced trips to Charlotte this March and Greensboro in 2020, the abbreviated nature of the extension was no accident.
The ACC, like the Big Ten, continues to covet Madison Square Garden and wants to maintain maximum flexibility going forward should an opportunity open to get into that arena.
“I think everybody in our league, around that table, feels like it’s important for our tournament to be in New York periodically,” ACC commissioner John Swofford said Wednesday. “It’s just a question of where.”
While the Big East’s contract with the Garden is believed to contain options for either side, the earliest another conference could potentially get into the Garden for a year, if at all, is probably 2024.
Swofford has previously ruled out holding the tournament a week early and sharing the arena with the Big East, as the Big Ten did last year. And while the drive to get into Manhattan is strong – especially among former Big East schools like Syracuse, Notre Dame and Pittsburgh – the ACC remains happy with Brooklyn’s Barclays Center as its primary New York pied-a-terre, as evidenced by its continuing presence in what has become an unofficial rotation between the two North Carolina sites, Washington and New York.
“That is a rotation that is working very well for us” Swofford said. “We’re still a relatively new expanded footprint as a conference. We’ve talked a lot about respecting the past and embracing the present and the future. … There doesn’t seem to be another league out there that can move their tournament around and have the success with it that we’ve been fortunate enough to have.”
Last edited:
[quote="SJU85" post=299245][quote="SJU61982" post=299238][quote="jetstorm" post=299236][quote="Section9" post=299235][quote="MCNPA" post=299233]I find it funny that there is not another city in this country, where these out-of-region conferences want to play a tournament. Most don’t even have any natural fan bases here etc. Time for us to get our act together get a consistent winner and some rivalries going..[/quote]
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10![/quote]
Syracuse and Duke have large NYC fanbases, though. UNC's not bad either, in that department. Those three schools should fill MSG by themselves (heck, any one of them could probably do it).
ACC has a much better shot of doing damage, attendance wise, then the Big 10 did.[/quote]
Include Boston College with those three.[/quote]
And ND.
Their well-heeled fan bases will follow the teams to MSG, any seats left over will be gobbled up by locals and scalpers.[/quote]
That did not happen for the Big 10![/quote]
Syracuse and Duke have large NYC fanbases, though. UNC's not bad either, in that department. Those three schools should fill MSG by themselves (heck, any one of them could probably do it).
ACC has a much better shot of doing damage, attendance wise, then the Big 10 did.[/quote]
Include Boston College with those three.[/quote]
And ND.
Jerry Carino
@NJHoopsHaven
2h2 hours ago
Jerry Carino Retweeted Zach Braziller
Interesting report and affirms what Swofford was hinting at Wednesday. I don't see the Garden opting out, but I will say this: UConn would be a huge bargaining chip for the Big East and trust me, folks with far more clout than me hold that opinion.
@NJHoopsHaven
2h2 hours ago
Jerry Carino Retweeted Zach Braziller
Interesting report and affirms what Swofford was hinting at Wednesday. I don't see the Garden opting out, but I will say this: UConn would be a huge bargaining chip for the Big East and trust me, folks with far more clout than me hold that opinion.
[quote="Adam" post=299262]Jerry Carino
@NJHoopsHaven
2h2 hours ago
Jerry Carino Retweeted Zach Braziller
Interesting report and affirms what Swofford was hinting at Wednesday. I don't see the Garden opting out, but I will say this: UConn would be a huge bargaining chip for the Big East and trust me, folks with far more clout than me hold that opinion.[/quote]
That is all on Uconn’s stupidity, hanging on to a D1 football dream. They’re going nowhere fast with that program. I’d love UConn in our league but they want to ride a leagues football coattails to get paid... UConn football’s season tickets sold this year was only 9k without comps. That’s pitiful for a D1 team.
@NJHoopsHaven
2h2 hours ago
Jerry Carino Retweeted Zach Braziller
Interesting report and affirms what Swofford was hinting at Wednesday. I don't see the Garden opting out, but I will say this: UConn would be a huge bargaining chip for the Big East and trust me, folks with far more clout than me hold that opinion.[/quote]
That is all on Uconn’s stupidity, hanging on to a D1 football dream. They’re going nowhere fast with that program. I’d love UConn in our league but they want to ride a leagues football coattails to get paid... UConn football’s season tickets sold this year was only 9k without comps. That’s pitiful for a D1 team.
Last edited:
[quote="MCNPA" post=299418][quote="Adam" post=299262]Jerry Carino
@NJHoopsHaven
2h2 hours ago
Jerry Carino Retweeted Zach Braziller
Interesting report and affirms what Swofford was hinting at Wednesday. I don't see the Garden opting out, but I will say this: UConn would be a huge bargaining chip for the Big East and trust me, folks with far more clout than me hold that opinion.[/quote]
That is all on Uconn’s stupidity, hanging on to a D1 football dream. They’re going nowhere fast with that program. I’d love UConn in our league but they want to ride a leagues football coattails to get paid... UConn football’s season tickets sold this year was only 9k without comps. That’s pitiful for a D1 team.[/quote]
Not to mention they are having one of the worst seasons ever for an estaished D1 team.
The thing is though, as far as I've read, the Big East tourney continues to sell pretty well. So we at least have that going for us.
@NJHoopsHaven
2h2 hours ago
Jerry Carino Retweeted Zach Braziller
Interesting report and affirms what Swofford was hinting at Wednesday. I don't see the Garden opting out, but I will say this: UConn would be a huge bargaining chip for the Big East and trust me, folks with far more clout than me hold that opinion.[/quote]
That is all on Uconn’s stupidity, hanging on to a D1 football dream. They’re going nowhere fast with that program. I’d love UConn in our league but they want to ride a leagues football coattails to get paid... UConn football’s season tickets sold this year was only 9k without comps. That’s pitiful for a D1 team.[/quote]
Not to mention they are having one of the worst seasons ever for an estaished D1 team.
The thing is though, as far as I've read, the Big East tourney continues to sell pretty well. So we at least have that going for us.
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=299421]This decision will be about money. Not loyalty, not tradition......just money. It's business.
This is why you should always root for BE teams to do well. The more prominent our conference brand, the more leverage we have.[/quote]
Agree here. The BET is always well attended and MSG is getting the seats filled and concessions sold. Those leagues don’t want msg every year. They want the week when they want it on a rotating basis. What can they offer that is more than msg is getting that week every year? I don’t see it happening. Big east is getting stronger every year and we sell lots of seats every year. The league needs SJU and Georgetown to be good though. That helps a ton with seat sales when both teams are good. The BET is a long standing tradition that is always successful for MSG. I don’t see them upsetting that balance as a high probability.
This is why you should always root for BE teams to do well. The more prominent our conference brand, the more leverage we have.[/quote]
Agree here. The BET is always well attended and MSG is getting the seats filled and concessions sold. Those leagues don’t want msg every year. They want the week when they want it on a rotating basis. What can they offer that is more than msg is getting that week every year? I don’t see it happening. Big east is getting stronger every year and we sell lots of seats every year. The league needs SJU and Georgetown to be good though. That helps a ton with seat sales when both teams are good. The BET is a long standing tradition that is always successful for MSG. I don’t see them upsetting that balance as a high probability.
Last edited:
I love that UConn is suffering with their choices. However it is time to bring them in and have a huge exit fee for them if they jump ship.
The ACC is ridiculous and I really hope there are some major scandals coming out of that conference to knock them down a peg.
MSG could very well do an alternating schedule and have both the ACC and Big East having their conference at MSG at the same time. One conference having games Tue, Thurs, Sat (championship) and the other doing Wed, Fri, Sunday (championship)
The ACC is ridiculous and I really hope there are some major scandals coming out of that conference to knock them down a peg.
MSG could very well do an alternating schedule and have both the ACC and Big East having their conference at MSG at the same time. One conference having games Tue, Thurs, Sat (championship) and the other doing Wed, Fri, Sunday (championship)